Before we're banned . . . .

Jim Radcliffe · Jul 10, 2003

I understand you.

I have only two complaints about this forum:

Things do tend to move too fast and you can miss stuff if you don't check in a couple of times a day... I hate weeding through three or four pages of posts.. the newbie stuff just kills me.. but we were all newbies once.

The other is the small percentage of rude, egotist, I'm always right, how dare you question my beliefs... type of people... that can turn a good thread into a useless string of posts that have no meaning other than to the combatants.

I have never objected to the off topic posts with the exeception of religion and politics.. neither of those belong here. Both topics can easily offend and become extremely volatile. The two topics always bring to mind a dinner I attended in Washington, DC.. I was sitting at a table with a Jew and a Palestinian... the calm lasted only 15 minutes before offense was taken by each party.. 20 minutes into the meal the two had to be seperated and restrained. Religion & Politics... keep them out of any conversation if you desire that conversation to be civil.

Off topic posts dealing with photogrpahy in any way are like adding spice to a bland meal. I welcome them and enjoy them. This forum will be less interesting when they are gone.

Jim Radcliffe
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http://www.image36.com
The ability to 'see' is more important than the gear.

RichW · Jul 10, 2003

They will never be gone completely. Especially without full time moderation. But at least religion and politics as well as obnoxious threads will vanish. That I am looking forward to. A few OT threads add spice to an otherwise boring topic.

Rich

Jim Radcliffe said:
Off topic posts dealing with photogrpahy in any way are like adding
spice to a bland meal. I welcome them and enjoy them. This forum
will be less interesting when they are gone.

Jim Radcliffe
--------------------------
http://www.image36.com
The ability to 'see' is more important than the gear.

Justme · Jul 10, 2003

I have no problems with OT posts. I'm mature enough to only click on what I want to read or participate in. I suppose Phil wants this forum to be strictly camera/lense/technique related. I think there is a big enough demand for Canon DSLR OT posts that it will amply feed another forum: Canon DSLR OT. It'll flourish I'm sure. This way everyone will be happy?

DavidP said:
OK, Pixel Warp and I have decided to move over to FredG's forum.

Thanks to all here who have taught me so much about photography . .
. darned near everything I know.

It's been real, it's been fun. It's even been real fun.

Apparently too much fun for some.

Seeya!

--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and
tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

photo-op · Jul 10, 2003

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Always negative.. Always a bully!!!

Sorry for my brutal honesty Please read his sarcastic responses always to most posts.
A master of nothing but stirring the pot and causing grief to nice people.
No class.. just ignorance.
If ignorance is bliss he is a most happy bloke!

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pbase supporter

koalafarm · Jul 10, 2003

He was accused a while ago of ratting out DavidP to Phil and yet there was no proof he did and Kiran denied it. However, because it got repeated so many times and people guess, he has been convicted of this and it has become "conventional wisdom"

Now when Phil again comments on OT Kiran is accused of all this. So you give him a hard time because he is trying to defend himself?? That is unreasonable and unfair.

DavidP was warned by Phil and some of his posts were moved.
He puts a slam into his signature line (yes this is OT)

and when Phil reminds people of what he wants, DavidP picks up his marbles in a huff and leaves (well not really, he keeps posting), and for that exchange it is somehow Kiran's fault?? Hello?

starphoto said:
Always negative.. Always a bully!!!

Sorry for my brutal honesty Please read his sarcastic
responses always to most posts.
A master of nothing but stirring the pot and causing grief to nice
people.
No class.. just ignorance.
If ignorance is bliss he is a most happy bloke!

--
pbase supporter

Kiran P · Jul 10, 2003

I'm sure if anyone wants to find out for the record, they can look up each and every one of my posts to see that I have only been sarcastic to someone who has been mean with me, which I haven't even invited. All I've done is shared an opinion, and if you don't like it, just say so. In fact, with most people here, instead of saying why you are wrong if they feel that way, they just call you dumb, or stupid, or say you are whining, or better yet, they call you the forum police.

But aren't you the guy who just finished calling me a loser for no particular reason? Yup... its true, just look a few posts above. I invited you to point out specifically what made me a loser.... but since you didn't reply, you must be short on material. So... how about it, care to point out specifically where you think I crossed the line from just sharing my opinion to being a so called loser?

Kiran

starphoto said:
Always negative.. Always a bully!!!

Sorry for my brutal honesty Please read his sarcastic
responses always to most posts.
A master of nothing but stirring the pot and causing grief to nice
people.
No class.. just ignorance.
If ignorance is bliss he is a most happy bloke!

--
pbase supporter

Kiran P · Jul 10, 2003

The best part is that I'm really inviting this individual to point out in which post I deserve to be called a loser. I do hope that he replies. If he is angry for what is happening to the forum that is one thing, but to somehow blame me is just silly.

And you're right, I almost forgot about being blamed for supposedly banning David. In fact, I've only e-mail Phil once and it was to tell him that a dealer here in Canada had stolen his 10D info page and copied it word for word on their website. (I knew this because Phil had a link to a mp3 file where he recorded the difference between the 10D and D60 shutter sound, which obviously was not on the store's website yet the text appeared in the list of features word for word.)

I do really find it funny how many people on this thread have mentioned my name as I don't even think I've been rude or sworn at anyone who hasn't sworn at me. But oh well... such is life.

Kiran

koalafarm said:
Now when Phil again comments on OT Kiran is accused of all this.
So you give him a hard time because he is trying to defend
himself?? That is unreasonable and unfair.

DavidP was warned by Phil and some of his posts were moved.
He puts a slam into his signature line (yes this is OT)
and when Phil reminds people of what he wants, DavidP picks up his
marbles in a huff and leaves (well not really, he keeps posting),
and for that exchange it is somehow Kiran's fault?? Hello?

starphoto said:

Always negative.. Always a bully!!!

Sorry for my brutal honesty Please read his sarcastic
responses always to most posts.
A master of nothing but stirring the pot and causing grief to nice
people.
No class.. just ignorance.
If ignorance is bliss he is a most happy bloke!

--
pbase supporter

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photo-op · Jul 10, 2003

I am too busty cleaning all of the Kiran P my puppy just deposited it on the garage floor!

Do me a favor and don't humor me.. read your sarcastic and negative posts before you respond. You make me want to come across the pond and visit your country! Your whining has gotten out of hand..> Read your posts!

Kiran P said:
starphoto said:

Always negative.. Always a bully!!!

Sorry for my brutal honesty Please read his sarcastic
responses always to most posts.
A master of nothing but stirring the pot and causing grief to nice
people.
No class.. just ignorance.
If ignorance is bliss he is a most happy bloke!

--
pbase supporter

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--
pbase supporter

photo-op · Jul 10, 2003

LOSER!!!

You are too vane to read your I Want to police the forum because I am

better than you bullhockey !!!> > >

Kiran P said:
Kiran P said:

Kiran P said:

Always negative.. Always a bully!!!

Sorry for my brutal honesty Please read his sarcastic
responses always to most posts.
A master of nothing but stirring the pot and causing grief to nice
people.
No class.. just ignorance.
If ignorance is bliss he is a most happy bloke!

--
pbase supporter

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Click to expand...

--
pbase supporter

SickRick · Jul 10, 2003

As a fairly recent addition to the forum, I was greatly disheartened by your posting today, regarding “off-topic posts”. I have relied heavily on your reviews when considering purchases, and have come to love the sense of “community” that goes on, in the Canon SLR forum. If I had wanted “cut-n-dry”, tech only info, I would have stuck with Rob Golbraith’s forum, where at least, they have a resident Canon Rep, that answers technical questions.

The posting of our experiences with hardware, software, even non-camera posts, such as my question regarding “What Laptops Do You Use”, (which was a “hot” message thread), gets ALL members of the forum a chance to see what works for others (the REASON for a discussion forum). The posting of links to photo galleries, or threads dedicated to a particular subject, serve to allow members of the community to show their work. While some of them are nonsensical (the squirrel thread for example), they all serve an interest to segments of the COMMUNITY that the Canon SLR forum has become. A great many people, myself included, have found a home there, amongst familiar names and “faces”. I have a hard enough time keeping up with ONE “web format discussion group” (I WISH it was News Server based, as it would be a lot easier with a News Reader, versus a Web Browser). The forum has been the place where many people with a basic common interest (Canon SLR’s) have been able to exchange ideas on many other topics relating to the use of their cameras, while not STRICTLY about the camera, or Canon OEM/3rd Party accessories. As an example, my thread, concerning laptops, was very important to ME, in attempting to choose a laptop, to find out what people that are using the same camera and software had chosen for their use. I doubt I could have gotten this information from anywhere else.

While it is your site, and you prerogative to moderate and govern it as you see fit, the opinions of the few, are greatly outweighed by the opinions of the many, and at no additional cost in bandwidth to you…

If you see fit to ban me, for voicing my opinions, then by all means, that too is your prerogative.

I have taken the liberty of posting this on one of the many threads in the furm, related to this announcement of your (threads which, are, sadly also off topic).

Best Wishes,

Rick

DavidP said:
OK, Pixel Warp and I have decided to move over to FredG's forum.

Thanks to all here who have taught me so much about photography . .
. darned near everything I know.

It's been real, it's been fun. It's even been real fun.

Apparently too much fun for some.

Seeya!

--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and
tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

Robert P Miller · Jul 10, 2003

Kiran P said:
Kiran P wrote:
If all you people leave, it'll just be obvious that you were one
big happy family that wanted to chit chat here, oblivious to the
fact that this isn't a chat room.

Hi Kiran, I have never seen any of your posts before and never read any thing you have written aside from the post above.
Sorry, but I feel it IS a"Chat Room" Just one much more civil than most groups.

It is times like these that make us all LESS civil and break up any real sense of community that develops. Community brings about humanity and sharing. Break it up, and folks retreat wounded into their corner and lash out or leave. I gather from the post above , this is what you wish to see. I do not understand this attitude. Yes, a lot of posts veer into off-topic land. The human condition is, well HUMAN!

Phil is the boss, and he has the largest digital private forum on the Internet. Maintaining it is a task which must lead to a certain amount of sleeplessness. At times it must seem an out of control monster.

I see many political and religious threads which never get pulled. I do not think them usually appropriate for the forums, but I step back and realize that it is just a bunch of folks venting in a very frustrating world. I guess you are venting too.

This is not just a place to ask questions and get straight answers. Each of us has real- life experiences with this equipment and different needs which can lead anyone off topic. It is just a fact of life. We all deal with it every day, in real life and here. Let it rest.

That said, these forums will grow with each new camera release. More forums may not be the answer, but may be needed to keep any posts alive during the new release/post-burial times Guard duty is not anything to aspire to.

I am sorry if anyone seems to be attacking you, but I guess you must have ruffled some feathers here. I do not have time to do a search on any of this tonight. I just hope valued members do not leave in haste. I saw that a year ago in the OLY SLR forum and it never recovered.

Like it or not , we do "chat" in these forums. Perhaps your idea of a chat room comes from AOL, I do not know. That world does not interest me. This is a decent place to be. Please do not make it less so, an try to enjoy your stay. Shoot pictures, post pictures, chat photography and let it stray a bit. It won't hurt, really!
Best ,
Robert

Kiran P · Jul 10, 2003

Robert,

Although I do completely agree with you on the human sociology aspect, I think its the friendliness here that causes problems. I don't know how long you have been here, but I have been hanging around for some time. I did lots of research and finally bought the 10D about 2 months ago.

Anyway, my perspective of one of the problems is that you have maybe a dozen or so people who basically make up a large bulk of the postings. Now part of that is that they have lots of good info to share and jump right in there to spread it which is a good thing. But what ends up happening is that because everyone knows eachother so well, they start talking about other stuff. These threads always go on and on, and keep getting pushed to the top and everything else is gone. Heck, its not that the threads are bad, they are just off topic. Then when one person is spoken or gets banned, there is this big outcry as if they were owed something becaue they built the forum.

To tell you the truth, none of this was really a problem a few months back when the forum was smaller. But with the 10D, there are so many new people that it makes it hard for the forum to survive as a community. I think the community aspect is still trying to be pushed but it just doesn't work with as large a group as this. The OT posts are no longer manageable, and hence, Phil has tried many times to put a stop to it. Its just like a business. You can have one little office but when the business gets bigger, it makes more snese to split up the departments and have them each do their own thing, even though each is contributing to the whole. Phil just wants to see the printer discusison in the printer forum, the lighting discussions in the lighting forum and so on. But what you have is some people in the Canon SLR forum who don't see it this way. They want to just continue to get advice from their friends because they know they can find them here as opposed to going to the other forums where they should really be. And I guess now they just got tired of fighting it for so long so they just all decided to pick up and move out. I just think this really goes to show you that this was very much a chatting forum as opposed to a place to discuss Canon DSLR's.

Now don't get me wrong, I loved some of the OT threads and learned alot. But with a forum this size, you just can't do that and this I beilve is what people don't understand. When something gets too big you have to it up and arrange it into similar parts. I mean think about calling Canon for service. They first ask you if you have camera or printer problem, or photocopier problems. If you talk to the printer department, you shouldn't be asking for info on you 10D camera, and likewise, these techs shouldn't have to know anything about your camera because there is a department just for that.

Anyway... that's how I see it.

Kiran

John Burns · Jul 10, 2003

Yep. I agree we never recovered from that blood letting. This is exactly the same thing but on a bigger scale.

Robert P Miller said:
I just hope valued members do not
leave in haste. I saw that a year ago in the OLY SLR forum and it
never recovered.
Robert

--
John

TPW · Jul 10, 2003

SickRick said:
The posting of our experiences with hardware, software, even
non-camera posts, such as my question regarding “What Laptops Do
You Use”, (which was a “hot” message thread), gets ALL members of
the forum a chance to see what works for others (the REASON for a
discussion forum). The posting of links to photo galleries, or
threads dedicated to a particular subject, serve to allow members
of the community to show their work. While some of them are
nonsensical (the squirrel thread for example), they all serve an
interest to segments of the COMMUNITY that the Canon SLR forum has
become. A great many people, myself included, have found a home
there, amongst familiar names and “faces”. I have a hard enough
time keeping up with ONE “web format discussion group” (I WISH it
was News Server based, as it would be a lot easier with a News
Reader, versus a Web Browser). The forum has been the place where
many people with a basic common interest (Canon SLR’s) have been
able to exchange ideas on many other topics relating to the use of
their cameras, while not STRICTLY about the camera, or Canon
OEM/3rd Party accessories. As an example, my thread, concerning
laptops, was very important to ME, in attempting to choose a
laptop, to find out what people that are using the same camera and
software had chosen for their use. I doubt I could have gotten
this information from anywhere else.

While it is your site, and you prerogative to moderate and govern
it as you see fit, the opinions of the few, are greatly outweighed
by the opinions of the many, and at no additional cost in bandwidth
to you…

If you see fit to ban me, for voicing my opinions, then by all
means, that too is your prerogative.

I have taken the liberty of posting this on one of the many threads
in the furm, related to this announcement of your (threads which,
are, sadly also off topic).

Best Wishes,

Rick

DavidP said:

OK, Pixel Warp and I have decided to move over to FredG's forum.

Thanks to all here who have taught me so much about photography . .
. darned near everything I know.

It's been real, it's been fun. It's even been real fun.

Apparently too much fun for some.

Seeya!

--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and
tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

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riokid · Jul 11, 2003

arriba . . . arriba!

Heading back south of the border! Adios Amigos!

DavidP said:
OK, Pixel Warp and I have decided to move over to FredG's forum.

Thanks to all here who have taught me so much about photography . .
. darned near everything I know.

It's been real, it's been fun. It's even been real fun.

Apparently too much fun for some.

Seeya!

--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and
tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

--
Blessed are those who expect nothing . . .
for they shall not be disappointed.

Scunthorpe · Jul 11, 2003

Migrate all of this inanity over to Open Talk and be done with it.

It's even poured over to FM:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/38794/4

A compromise?
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=5562026

Louis4 · Jul 11, 2003

DavidP #28649 said:
...move over...

...as usual, your behaviour. You should move back into life instead of "over" to the next forum.

TRG · Jul 11, 2003

So whats the url of this other forum ?

DavidP said:
OK, Pixel Warp and I have decided to move over to FredG's forum.

Thanks to all here who have taught me so much about photography . .
. darned near everything I know.

It's been real, it's been fun. It's even been real fun.

Apparently too much fun for some.

Seeya!

--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and
tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers

Gillis Danielsen · Jul 11, 2003

okay everyone has the right to choose... have fun...

actually id love it if people stopped posting the "i am going now miss me!" threads

hyslopc · Jul 11, 2003

Kiran doesn't ban people, Phil does. If you don't like the way Phil runs the forums, send him a feedback, or go somewhere else - as DavidP has made clear, there are plenty of options.

Kiran wrote a post a few months ago saying he thought these forums would be a better place with some changes. Some agreed, plenty didn't. So it turns out that he has one opinion, and you have another. Anyway neither of you get to decide squat about how the forum is run - Phil decides that everything around here, because he pays for the bandwidth. Where's the problem?

Kiran has already emphatically denied asking Phil to ban Mishkin. Even if he did do that (which he didn't), it's Phil's decision. If you don't like the forum rules, either ask Phil to change them, or don't post here.

Seriously, this whole smear campaign against KP is like a criminal blaming an eye witness for him being put in jail. It's all the witness' fault - yeah right.

I'm sorry DavidP is leaving - his posts were always interesting. I agree that it's a pity that Phil doesn't seem to look at posting histories before banning people, and doesn't take (or have) the time to reply to emails. There may be better forums out there - I wouldn't know. Considering that Canon DSLR is just one of 28 DPR forums, I can understand that Phil has his hands full.

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