Why no Camera Raw 8.8 update for LR5?

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Because Lightroom 6 will be released very soon.
 
Lightroom does not use the Camera Raw plug-in. Lightroom has all of the same technology as the Camera Raw plug-in, but it's part of the program itself. The only way to get an update is to have Adobe release an update for the Lightroom program. A lot of people are speculating that the release of Lightroom 6 is imminent. It could be today, tomorrow, next week, next month. You get the idea. Adobe doesn't make such announcements of new releases in advance. Anyone who is breathlessly waiting for the release of Lightroom 6 will find out just about as quickly as anyone else. In the meantime, there really isn't any value to speculate. Lightroom 6 will be released when it is released. And when it is there will be the usual complaints because it doesn't contain a certain critical feature that someone needs. And there are likely to be problems that haven't been even considered in the development process. It always happens. So when Lightroom 6 is finally released the question will change from when will it be released to when will they get this problem or that problem fixed.
 
Lightroom does not use the Camera Raw plug-in.
Not to overly picky but when one uses the Edit in Photoshop command, it does.

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Okay, not to be overly picky but Lightroom does not use the Camera Raw plug-in. Photoshop uses the Camera Raw plug-in to interpret the Lightroom adjustments. But the Camera Raw plug-in is not connected to Lightroom in any fashion. Camera Raw is simply used to interpret the raw adjustments made in Lightroom as the image passes through to Photoshop. If you don't have Photoshop or Photoshop Elements on your computer and or using some other external editor, there is no need to have Camera Raw installed because Lightroom isn't aware of the plug-in and doesn't use it.
 
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Okay, not to be overly picky but Lightroom does not use the Camera Raw plug-in. Photoshop uses the Camera Raw plug-in to interpret the Lightroom adjustments.
AFAIK, ACR does the actual rendering. That’s why if the version of ACR isn’t in version parity with LR, LR informs you of such and you have to Export using LR.

Wasn’t the case in version 1. After that, when using Edit in Photoshop, LR passes the raw and instructions directly to ACR and ACR does all the work.
 
Page 344 of Victoria Bampton’s must have book on LR (The Missing FAQ):
What happens if I’m still using an older version of ACR and Photoshop?

When you open a photo directly into Photoshop, without an interim TIFF/ PSD file, Lightroom passes the original raw data and instructions over to the ACR plug-in hosted by Photoshop, and ACR performs the conversion.
 
Exactly! Hosted by Photoshop. Camera Raw isn't hosted by Lightroom. Lightroom passes the image to Photoshop and Photoshop uses Camera Raw to interpret the raw adjustments made using Lightroom. But it's all done in Photoshop. It's very simple. Lightroom itself does not use the Camera Raw plug-in. If you don't have Photoshop or Photoshop Elements on your computer you have no need for the Camera Raw plug-in.
 
ACR renders the raw NOT Lightroom! Therefore, the statement: Lightroom does not use the Camera Raw plug-in, isn’t clear or accurate. One of them has to render the raw, it’s ACR that is doing the rendering as Victoria clearly points out. Again, that’s why LR pop’s a warning if ACR is an older version than LR in terms of processing. ACR can’t render the raw with the new features of LR, LR suggests you use Export (or forego the newer processing).
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Okay, not to be overly picky but Lightroom does not use the Camera Raw plug-in.

But the Camera Raw plug-in is not connected to Lightroom in any fashion
Lightroom does utilize the Camera Raw plug-in and they are connected, LR hands off all the processing to that plug in:

http://www.adobepress.com/articles/article.asp?p=1930488

The main “Edit in Photoshop” command opens raw images directly using Camera Raw in Photoshop to read the Lightroom settings and carry out the raw conversion.

The main thing to understand here when choosing an “Edit in Photoshop” command to open a raw image is that Lightroom always wants to open that image using the Camera Raw plug-in contained in Photoshop itself, which allows an opened image to remain in an unsaved state until you decide to save it.

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This is all, of course, conjecture, but quite likely true.
AFAIK Adobe hasn't yet announced when the announcement date will be announced.
 
ACR is a Photoshop plug-in not a LR plug-in. There is no ACR plug-in in LR. End of story.
 
ACR is a Photoshop plug-in not a LR plug-in. There is no ACR plug-in in LR. End of story.
I fully agree. But when one uses the Edit in Photoshop command, ACR is rendering the raw.

The debate about the language (which is maybe semantics) isn’t if LR has a plug-in architecture, it’s this statement: Lightroom does not use the Camera Raw plug-in.

To render the raw, LR absolutely has the Camera Raw plug-in do all the work. LR uses ACR to render the raw.

Or to put it another way, does LR render the raw or does ACR? Pretty clear it’s the later. LR has ACR do the work, the version of ACR is important. All LR does is hand off the instructions and point to the raw. So LR does use (utilize, hand off, send) this to ACR otherwise how is the image rendered?
 
Sorry, I dont get the discussion here about the plug-in thing. Perhaps I was not specific enough. I'll try it this way:

My "problem" is that I have the new EF 100-400 mkII telezoom from canon. But LR5 does not have the profile for it. ACR 8.8 has it.

So why does it take Adobe so long to give us LR5-users the updates from ACR 8.8. This was not the case with previous versions. (I have LR since v2).

As it looks like, LR6 will not arive any time soon. So please Adobe, let us have the ACR 8.8 update quickly. Anyone else want it to?
 
My "problem" is that I have the new EF 100-400 mkII telezoom from canon. But LR5 does not have the profile for it. ACR 8.8 has it.

So why does it take Adobe so long to give us LR5-users the updates from ACR 8.8. This was not the case with previous versions. (I have LR since v2).
Again because they are differing products on different schedules.

If the issue is a lens profile, I'd suspect that if you have said profile, it should show up even in the older version, not sure. You can build your own so I don't know why you wouldn't be able to use the same profile in both ACR and LR but not sure.

Now if you wanted newer functionality found in ACR 8.8 that isn't in LR 5.7, nothing you can do but wait. Because again, we're talking about different products with differing engineering teams that have differing schedules for product release.

In the old days, prior to CC (subscriptions) Adobe did update their entire suite at once which was quite a burden for them to do. Now differing products have differing update schedules. I'm not trying to justify the change but rather explain why one product has a new release date then another.
 
ACR renders the raw NOT Lightroom! Therefore, the statement: Lightroom does not use the Camera Raw plug-in, isn’t clear or accurate. One of them has to render the raw, it’s ACR that is doing the rendering as Victoria clearly points out. Again, that’s why LR pop’s a warning if ACR is an older version than LR in terms of processing. ACR can’t render the raw with the new features of LR, LR suggests you use Export (or forego the newer processing).
There is no suggestion made to use Export, that I can recall. Lightroom's external editing workflow is quite unrelated to Export, both conceptually and practically.

IIRC, LR offers either "Open Anyway" or "Render in LR" in cases where there isn't full ACR compatibility. The latter option switches to the same pre-saved file method, that LR employs with a third-party editor; also, that LR employs with as external editing preset even if ACR is compatible. In all these cases, ACR is beside the point.

If you install LR on a computer that simply lacks a compatible or near-compatible PS version, I don't think you see any warning message at all - LR goes ahead and hard-renders the image to a file made in accordance with the current external editing settings (filetype, bitdepth, colourspace). The external editor executable may also need to have first been set up manually.

One immediate way to tell the difference, is that in the ACR-mediated workflow the document title seen inside PS reports the source image's filename (for lack of anything better) - this might be a Raw filename such as "IMG12345.NEF". At this point there is not yet any edit image showing in LR. If when the file is FIRST saved you pick a different filename or location or even file format, instead of the one suggested for you, LR will still track and import that. If you don't save, nothing is imported.

OTOH in the LR-rendered workflow you will see a PS document window titled e.g. "IMG12345-edit.TIF". That's because it is already saved. And a new image version is already present inside LR, corresponding to this, before you have done anything in PS. If you don't then save from PS, or if you save to another file instead, you simply lose those changes so far as LR is concerned - but the file IS already imported within LR regardless.

The other change in the case of a non-compatible older ACR (or no ACR present, and/or no PS present): LR greys-out the Edit In PS.. As Layers / Photomerge / HDR / As Smart Object choices in its menus. Those workflow options are only offered when LR knows that it could - if required - instruct PS to open the image / images concerned (via ACR).

AFAICT these workflows are all about LR "scripting" PS operations behind the scenes. But IMO the only sense in which Lightroom is "using" ACR, is the sense in which when I get my hair cut, I am "using" some scissors: I am using them by proxy, though the involvement of the barber :)
 

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