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So i have a quick question:

Goal is to produce good prints i doubt i would print anything larger than 20x30.

So,

Would i benefit from having a a7s or a a7ii? I am going to shoot indoor, inside kitchens and candid moments inside houses. So i dont think i would push the iso anything higher than 6400. Would anyone with experience with this cameras weight in? To put it in perspective the rx1 does a great job as it is indoor in my current goal.

AR
 
When you don't need the (4K) video, and you don't need the very good high ISO, why bother? The A7II is a great camera, that gives you stabilisation with all your lenses, so in house you can use a longer exposure time to get the right pictures.

The A7II is way more of an all purpose cmaera then the A7s...
 
7-II has IBIS, hybrid focus, is a lot less expensive, and has 24mp vs 12mp. The 7S is a low-light camera that shines between 6400 and 12,000 ISO (below that, there's little difference), and produces excellent video. They're very different cameras - look at the specs and decide which one will serve you the best. From your comments, I suspect the 7-II would be a better choice for you.

cheers,

john
 
I'm making a similar consideration between these two cameras.

I prefer the size and weight of the A7S (would use it for travel) and I suspect I'd get more out of cleaner high ISO than IBIS. Probably would use it 70/30 for stlls/video.

It's just the 12MP that's holding me back...
 
alenjramos said:
So i have a quick question:

Goal is to produce good prints i doubt i would print anything larger than 20x30.

So,

Would i benefit from having a a7s or a a7ii? I am going to shoot indoor, inside kitchens and candid moments inside houses. So i dont think i would push the iso anything higher than 6400. Would anyone with experience with this cameras weight in? To put it in perspective the rx1 does a great job as it is indoor in my current goal.

AR
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If you shoot mainly indoors, AF at -4ev of the A7s can make the difference ! (24-70 or 16-35 f4)

if you use MF lenses , fast primes, go with A7II
 
sbreingan2 said:
I'm making a similar consideration between these two cameras.

I prefer the size and weight of the A7S (would use it for travel) and I suspect I'd get more out of cleaner high ISO than IBIS. Probably would use it 70/30 for stlls/video.
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IBIS is great for hand held video, when using lenses without stabilisation. For taking pictures IBIS can be great for all none moving objects, with movementIBIS will not stop the motion of the object :) So depending on the object IBIS can be better (as it will give you two more stops and the A7II will give you more resolution, when you downscale your picture to 12 MP the picture with IBIS can actualy be better then that of the A7s....
sbreingan2 said:
It's just the 12MP that's holding me back...
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In most cases 12 MP is more then enough. Yes 24MP sounds like douvle the pixels (and it is) but it is not double the resolution! a 24 MP camera has 6000x4000 pixels and a 12 MP camera has 4000x3000 pixels... In real life prints differences are versy slim unles you print very big or crop a lot...

When video is not your main concern then go for the A7II, the more versatile camera I thoink (unless size is imortant, try it out in a shop or so)
 
If you already have the RX1, why get another camera for the same thing? Unless you're looking for a wider lens?

If the size is a concern, you may consider the A7. You get the 24 MP, compact size, and it's less expensive. You do miss out on IBIS though.
 
how well does the a7s take outdoor sunlight photos compared to a7ii?
 
Pieterbaan said:
In most cases 12 MP is more then enough. Yes 24MP sounds like douvle the pixels (and it is) but it is not double the resolution! a 24 MP camera has 6000x4000 pixels and a 12 MP camera has 4000x3000 pixels... In real life prints differences are versy slim unles you print very big or crop a lot...

When video is not your main concern then go for the A7II, the more versatile camera I thoink (unless size is imortant, try it out in a shop or so)
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I do crop a bit - mainly due to shooting primes and not zooms and not always having the right FL to hand at all times. But I have been using my NEX-5N at 16MP so I guess the difference is not going to be drastic? My other reservation - currently the only Sony primes available are expensive - which is fine, but I'm worried that I'm paying for quality that will be less noticeable on the smaller resolution.

I've tried in vain to find a shop here in the UK that has it in stock and will let me see it in person. Doesn't seem to be anywhere yet so would be buying blind. But I am rather concerned about size. Evenmore so after the DP review.

I could be wrong, but after reading a bunch of reviews and articles, the A7S seems like a camera that people love and the A7II seems like one people admire. I'm not talking about specific features just that feeling you have when a camera/phone/computer excites you and makes you want to use it all the time despite it's shortcomings.

Maybe there are people who love their A7II and maybe there are folks who regret getting the A7S however...
 
alenjramos said:
So i have a quick question:

Goal is to produce good prints i doubt i would print anything larger than 20x30.

So,

Would i benefit from having a a7s or a a7ii? I am going to shoot indoor, inside kitchens and candid moments inside houses. So i dont think i would push the iso anything higher than 6400. Would anyone with experience with this cameras weight in? To put it in perspective the rx1 does a great job as it is indoor in my current goal.

AR
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Based on your specs, I'd vote for the A7 II. I suspect the A7 II's IBIS would nicely offset the higher ISO performance of the A7S, and allow larger prints.

bwa
 
sbreingan2 said:
sbreingan2 said:
In most cases 12 MP is more then enough. Yes 24MP sounds like douvle the pixels (and it is) but it is not double the resolution! a 24 MP camera has 6000x4000 pixels and a 12 MP camera has 4000x3000 pixels... In real life prints differences are versy slim unles you print very big or crop a lot...

When video is not your main concern then go for the A7II, the more versatile camera I thoink (unless size is imortant, try it out in a shop or so)
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I do crop a bit - mainly due to shooting primes and not zooms and not always having the right FL to hand at all times. But I have been using my NEX-5N at 16MP so I guess the difference is not going to be drastic? My other reservation - currently the only Sony primes available are expensive - which is fine, but I'm worried that I'm paying for quality that will be less noticeable on the smaller resolution.
I've tried in vain to find a shop here in the UK that has it in stock and will let me see it in person. Doesn't seem to be anywhere yet so would be buying blind. But I am rather concerned about size. Evenmore so after the DP review.
I could be wrong, but after reading a bunch of reviews and articles, the A7S seems like a camera that people love and the A7II seems like one people admire. I'm not talking about specific features just that feeling you have when a camera/phone/computer excites you and makes you want to use it all the time despite it's shortcomings.
Maybe there are people who love their A7II and maybe there are folks who regret getting the A7S however...
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Funny you mention the "love" of a7s, i think it satisfies the needs of some that no other camera does. I have noticed that as well! I think a7ii is great all purpose but I'm now leaning towards the a7s after spending hours on Flickr photo stream. I think I'll achieve what i have in mind with low light with a7s. Though I'm curious what they do with a7s considering we must be close to an announcement.
 
I have both and while the A7II is a great allrounder the A7s is just something special with it's outstanding high ISO performance and the possibilities that that gives you to freeze motion in low light which as I see you want to do candids indoors it will do a lot better than the mkII where IBIS is of no real benefit. It also has much better DR than the the A7II at anything over 1000 ISO. For me if you don't like crop your images or you don't want to print too large the A7s is just magic.

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Viramati said:
I have both and while the A7II is a great allrounder the A7s is just something special with it's outstanding high ISO performance and the possibilities that that gives you to freeze motion in low light which as I see you want to do candids indoors it will do a lot better than the mkII where IBIS is of no real benefit. It also has much better DR than the the A7II at anything over 1000 ISO. For me if you don't like crop your images or you don't want to print too large the A7s is just magic.
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Why not just keep using your RX1 for the indoor photography?

As another poster mentioned if want you are shooting is indoors and stationary, you are likely on a tripod and can keep your ISO low with longer exposures. So you would not gain any benefit from high ISO performance of the S nor the stabilization of the II since you would be turning that off on tripod shots anyway.

I see no gain here for your use, unless you need wider angle or have other photo interests other than mentioned.

You can get a Ricoh WAC for your RX1 to take it down 25% or so ; will work well at F8 and above.

Useless for wide open shots so only partially useful but good to know about.
 
alenjramos said:
So i have a quick question:

Goal is to produce good prints i doubt i would print anything larger than 20x30.

So,

Would i benefit from having a a7s or a a7ii? I am going to shoot indoor, inside kitchens and candid moments inside houses. So i dont think i would push the iso anything higher than 6400. Would anyone with experience with this cameras weight in? To put it in perspective the rx1 does a great job as it is indoor in my current goal.

AR
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Don't have the A7ii but I do have the A7s and the original A7.

The reason I have an A7s is precisely for what you are NOT going to use the camera for.....ISO OVER 6400......the A7 is actually ok up to ISO 12800 for me.....I have that set as the maximum with auto ISO.

With the A7s I have auto ISO set up to ISO 51200 (but will use a little higher if I have to).

I would get the A7ii in your case (unless the lighting is going to be too low for the A7ii AF).

Both would be very good in low light for manual focus though.

A7s is my "precious" though!
 
I don't have either one, but i've been considering this question for too long and reading far too many reviews. But i have used a friends A7s for too short of a time.

What hasn't been said yet - is that the A7S has an electronic open/closed shutter - entirely quiet except for the aperture mechanism. Thats worth gold in the theater i shoot at :-) My Pentax K3 is quite adequate for general use. What i would use the A7s for is as a specialty camera for low light shooting in the theater and my often moody landscapes - there's no accounting for artistic taste :-) So i'm definitely leaning towards the A7s. May wait till some announcements in May which may impact the future of A7S - however.
 
Thank for all the advice.

I like the idea of the wide angel converter. Well i will keep on with the rx1 and wait to see what happens with a-mount. I would be shooting with primes since i have a few zeiss primes for a-mount. With the LA-EA4, mainly manual focus.

AR
 
The S doesn't offer any advantage to your conditions I'm surprised you're considering it. That said, the S does have a unique look that, imo, is not matched by anything else in the A series.
 
alenjramos said:
So i have a quick question:

Goal is to produce good prints i doubt i would print anything larger than 20x30.

So,

Would i benefit from having a a7s or a a7ii? I am going to shoot indoor, inside kitchens and candid moments inside houses. So i dont think i would push the iso anything higher than 6400. Would anyone with experience with this cameras weight in? To put it in perspective the rx1 does a great job as it is indoor in my current goal.

AR
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As long as you stay below ISO 6400, there is no reason to go for the A7s.

Unless you want to use one of the f/4.0 OSS FE zooms exclusively, e.g. for more DOF, the A7ii gives you more options: e.g. the FE28 or FE55Z can both be used at f/2.0 with IBIS, lowering your ISO levels.

Or, I'd rather be shooting f/2.0 at ISO 1600, then f/4.0 at ISO 6400.

The A7ii with either f/2.0 lens is somewhat similar to your RX1, (they get similar ISO ratings at DxO), if not counting IBIS. IBIS gives you more flexibility when not shooting people, being able to lengthen the SS somewhat (past 1/60th).

The A7s with the FE35Z/2.8 lens is not similar to your RX1, I would prefer the RX1 here.

Plus, you get PDAF with the A7/ii, as an added benefit.
 
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