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Dougbm_2 said:
webrunner5 said:
To the OP. I kind of know what you are talking about. I would venture to say that the average person takes better pictures with a cell phone than they do with a DSLR. Auto on most DSLRs are total crap. You HAVE to know what you are doing with one to get great results.

It takes years and lots of shots to get good at taking Photos that you would hang on a wall. If it was easy we would all be Pro Photographers.
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That is only partly true. My second ever shot with my then new Fuji S2 Pro was an image I made into a print and sold (see below). I made many good images right off the bat but it did take some time to learn the finer points of (DSLR) photography. I had a Pentax SLR years before, with only a 50mm lens, for art school but had made do with an Olympus Mu for a long time.

The post sounds like a bit of a troll really.

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Some people actually PAID money for that print?? Really? And you think I am a troll.
 
... as DSLR isn't a equally good tool for all. You are not alone preferring your P&S compact.

But it is wrong to infer "DSLR is done" for all. There is a lot of people with different needs and skills making great Photography.

Regards,
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O.Cristo - An Amateur Photographer

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webrunner5 said:
Dougbm_2 said:
webrunner5 said:
To the OP. I kind of know what you are talking about. I would venture to say that the average person takes better pictures with a cell phone than they do with a DSLR. Auto on most DSLRs are total crap. You HAVE to know what you are doing with one to get great results.

It takes years and lots of shots to get good at taking Photos that you would hang on a wall. If it was easy we would all be Pro Photographers.
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That is only partly true. My second ever shot with my then new Fuji S2 Pro was an image I made into a print and sold (see below). I made many good images right off the bat but it did take some time to learn the finer points of (DSLR) photography. I had a Pentax SLR years before, with only a 50mm lens, for art school but had made do with an Olympus Mu for a long time.

The post sounds like a bit of a troll really.

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Some people actually PAID money for that print?? Really? And you think I am a troll.
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I was wondering the same question...
 
v1fan said:
I bought a DSLR in late 2007, Nikon D200. Today I counted its actuation and its 85272.

From 85272 shots of this camera, I cannot think of a single one that I like or I'm proud of.

While I have grown up with it, this camera has never helped me, it has never taught me anything, it has basically been a useless piece of kit.

Not because of this particular model, no, its the obsolete piece of gear that we call a DSLR or SLR.

I have more keepers with a P&S which I've hardly used.

Here is my verdict. DSLR is history.
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Here is my verdict....your photography needs major improvement.

Case dismissed.

And I do not even own a Nikon.
 
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donaldsc said:
donaldsc said:
I take way more photos with my cellphone. This is why mirrorless compacts and cellphones are consigning DSLRs to the dustbin of history. I sold 90% of my kit keeping two bodies and two lenses only. I'm looking with interest at the nikon j5. I don't care about 4k video. It looks a good camera though.
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v1fan said:
I bought a DSLR in late 2007, Nikon D200. Today I counted its actuation and its 85272.

From 85272 shots of this camera, I cannot think of a single one that I like or I'm proud of.

While I have grown up with it, this camera has never helped me, it has never taught me anything, it has basically been a useless piece of kit.

Not because of this particular model, no, its the obsolete piece of gear that we call a DSLR or SLR.

I have more keepers with a P&S which I've hardly used.

Here is my verdict. DSLR is history.
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That being said, I think It's a good thing not to be satisfied with yourself,it forces you to improve all the time, trying to see what's going wrong. Once you get satisfied with your photographs, this is the moment you stop getting better.
 
Prixnobeldefoot said:
v1fan said:
I bought a DSLR in late 2007, Nikon D200. Today I counted its actuation and its 85272.

From 85272 shots of this camera, I cannot think of a single one that I like or I'm proud of.

While I have grown up with it, this camera has never helped me, it has never taught me anything, it has basically been a useless piece of kit.

Not because of this particular model, no, its the obsolete piece of gear that we call a DSLR or SLR.

I have more keepers with a P&S which I've hardly used.

Here is my verdict. DSLR is history.
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That being said, I think It's a good thing not to be satisfied with yourself,it forces you to improve all the time, trying to see what's going wrong. Once you get satisfied with your photographs, this is the moment you stop getting better.
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Why would you need to keep getting better if you already achieve your needs, surely you can go on making whatever photos you need and be happy.

Brian
 
brianj said:
Prixnobeldefoot said:
v1fan said:
I bought a DSLR in late 2007, Nikon D200. Today I counted its actuation and its 85272.

From 85272 shots of this camera, I cannot think of a single one that I like or I'm proud of.

While I have grown up with it, this camera has never helped me, it has never taught me anything, it has basically been a useless piece of kit.

Not because of this particular model, no, its the obsolete piece of gear that we call a DSLR or SLR.

I have more keepers with a P&S which I've hardly used.

Here is my verdict. DSLR is history.
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That being said, I think It's a good thing not to be satisfied with yourself,it forces you to improve all the time, trying to see what's going wrong. Once you get satisfied with your photographs, this is the moment you stop getting better.
Click to expand...
Why would you need to keep getting better if you already achieve your needs, surely you can go on making whatever photos you need and be happy.

Brian
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Isn't making better photographs every photographers' need ?
 
Prixnobeldefoot said:
brianj said:
Prixnobeldefoot said:
v1fan said:
I bought a DSLR in late 2007, Nikon D200. Today I counted its actuation and its 85272.

From 85272 shots of this camera, I cannot think of a single one that I like or I'm proud of.

While I have grown up with it, this camera has never helped me, it has never taught me anything, it has basically been a useless piece of kit.

Not because of this particular model, no, its the obsolete piece of gear that we call a DSLR or SLR.

I have more keepers with a P&S which I've hardly used.

Here is my verdict. DSLR is history.
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That being said, I think It's a good thing not to be satisfied with yourself,it forces you to improve all the time, trying to see what's going wrong. Once you get satisfied with your photographs, this is the moment you stop getting better.
Click to expand...
Why would you need to keep getting better if you already achieve your needs, surely you can go on making whatever photos you need and be happy.

Brian
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Isn't making better photographs every photographers' need ?
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Initially that was my need also, but I had a goal, it wasn't open ended. I started 15 years ago to try to be able to create better photos of my travels, and I have achieved that, I am not obsessed with it and am happy now that I went to the effort and succeeded. Of course I could make even better ones, but there is no need because what I make now is what I was wanted back then. I don't keep moving the goal posts, anyone can spend more to achieve more, but in my case there is no need. I am sure others will disagree, but if they are not careful they will never be happy and spend a lot of money before they realise that.

Brian
 
brianj said:
Prixnobeldefoot said:
brianj said:
Prixnobeldefoot said:
v1fan said:
I bought a DSLR in late 2007, Nikon D200. Today I counted its actuation and its 85272.

From 85272 shots of this camera, I cannot think of a single one that I like or I'm proud of.

While I have grown up with it, this camera has never helped me, it has never taught me anything, it has basically been a useless piece of kit.

Not because of this particular model, no, its the obsolete piece of gear that we call a DSLR or SLR.

I have more keepers with a P&S which I've hardly used.

Here is my verdict. DSLR is history.
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That being said, I think It's a good thing not to be satisfied with yourself,it forces you to improve all the time, trying to see what's going wrong. Once you get satisfied with your photographs, this is the moment you stop getting better.
Click to expand...
Why would you need to keep getting better if you already achieve your needs, surely you can go on making whatever photos you need and be happy.

Brian
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Isn't making better photographs every photographers' need ?
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Initially that was my need also, but I had a goal, it wasn't open ended. I started 15 years ago to try to be able to create better photos of my travels, and I have achieved that, I am not obsessed with it and am happy now that I went to the effort and succeeded. Of course I could make even better ones, but there is no need because what I make now is what I was wanted back then. I don't keep moving the goal posts, anyone can spend more to achieve more, but in my case there is no need. I am sure others will disagree, but if they are not careful they will never be happy and spend a lot of money before they realise that.

Brian
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But we can also argue that by not pushing yourself might bring regrets later on, on what truely could have been achieved by you, and eventhough you didn't spend a lot of money, time is not something you can afford.

But in any case, if that suits you, that's what matters.
 
Prixnobeldefoot said:
brianj said:
Prixnobeldefoot said:
brianj said:
Prixnobeldefoot said:
v1fan said:
I bought a DSLR in late 2007, Nikon D200. Today I counted its actuation and its 85272.

From 85272 shots of this camera, I cannot think of a single one that I like or I'm proud of.

While I have grown up with it, this camera has never helped me, it has never taught me anything, it has basically been a useless piece of kit.

Not because of this particular model, no, its the obsolete piece of gear that we call a DSLR or SLR.

I have more keepers with a P&S which I've hardly used.

Here is my verdict. DSLR is history.
Click to expand...
That being said, I think It's a good thing not to be satisfied with yourself,it forces you to improve all the time, trying to see what's going wrong. Once you get satisfied with your photographs, this is the moment you stop getting better.
Click to expand...
Why would you need to keep getting better if you already achieve your needs, surely you can go on making whatever photos you need and be happy.

Brian
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Isn't making better photographs every photographers' need ?
Click to expand...
Initially that was my need also, but I had a goal, it wasn't open ended. I started 15 years ago to try to be able to create better photos of my travels, and I have achieved that, I am not obsessed with it and am happy now that I went to the effort and succeeded. Of course I could make even better ones, but there is no need because what I make now is what I was wanted back then. I don't keep moving the goal posts, anyone can spend more to achieve more, but in my case there is no need. I am sure others will disagree, but if they are not careful they will never be happy and spend a lot of money before they realise that.

Brian
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But we can also argue that by not pushing yourself might bring regrets later on, on what truely could have been achieved by you, and eventhough you didn't spend a lot of money, time is not something you can afford.

But in any case, if that suits you, that's what matters.
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I have seen many people come and go from these forums over the actually 13 years, and I suspect that it is the right place for those trying to improve, that's what I liked about it, but many very competant photographers have left and I suspect they reached their goal. I have probably stayed on at these forums for way too long, at least I could have moved to the departure lounge, that's the Off Topic forum, but even that has become repetative nonsense.

Old habits die hard.

Brian
 
v1fan said:
I bought a DSLR in late 2007, Nikon D200. Today I counted its actuation and its 85272.

From 85272 shots of this camera, I cannot think of a single one that I like or I'm proud of.

While I have grown up with it, this camera has never helped me, it has never taught me anything, it has basically been a useless piece of kit.
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Wow, the poor old D200 really gets a beating here. Your standards must be high - I have many shots that I like from the D200 I used to own.






v1fan said:
Not because of this particular model, no, its the obsolete piece of gear that we call a DSLR or SLR.
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But its not only about the D200, its about every DSLRs. So the D7000 must be equally obsolete and useless.



And of course the D300.







Full frame DSLRs like D600 or D3s are of course not better.





Canon DSLRs are also of this dying breed (5D2, 1D4, 7D)







As are Sonys efforts (A55, A850)




v1fan said:
I have more keepers with a P&S which I've hardly used.

Here is my verdict. DSLR is history.
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Wow - there must be some amazing stuff ahead.
 
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007peter said:
Instead of criticizing v1fan for his conclusion, I want to point out this is also the Fault of the ENTIRE PHOTO industry. For years, camera industry has been selling the idea that DSLR = AUTOMATIC Great Photo, to any unassuming Mom & Pop out there.

People buying DSLR for the wrong reason, they assume putting a DSLR in AUTO mode = great photo. In reality, the opposite is happening. While DSLR take great photo under the hand of an expert or semi-serious hobbyist, it can actually takes WORSE photograph in the hand of an amateur.

Instead of buying Nikon D200, he should have just stick with a Canon G10, G11, G12 series of enthusiast point/shoot.
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I think there is a lot of truth to this. To actually take the wheel of a camera and drive it instead of letting the camera make all the auto exposure and autofocus decisions is a good start to having more "keepers".
 
007peter said:
Instead of criticizing v1fan for his conclusion, I want to point out this is also the Fault of the ENTIRE PHOTO industry. For years, camera industry has been selling the idea that DSLR = AUTOMATIC Great Photo, to any unassuming Mom & Pop out there.

People buying DSLR for the wrong reason, they assume putting a DSLR in AUTO mode = great photo. In reality, the opposite is happening. While DSLR take great photo under the hand of an expert or semi-serious hobbyist, it can actually takes WORSE photograph in the hand of an amateur.

Instead of buying Nikon D200, he should have just stick with a Canon G10, G11, G12 series of enthusiast point/shoot.
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It's sad how true this is. I'm always confused when I hear people who can barely take a decent "selfie" talk about they want to purchase a $900 camera. I just had to talk a coworker out of doing such a thing, because she wants a "grab and go camera with great quality" for a work project. She doesn't even know how to turn my camera on, has never heard the word aperture, and gives me a blank stare when I talk about how room lighting is important. Oy. Photographers always hear "This picture is great! You must have a good camera." I wonder if chefs ever hear "This food is great! You must have a good oven."
 
webrunner5 said:
Dougbm_2 said:
webrunner5 said:
To the OP. I kind of know what you are talking about. I would venture to say that the average person takes better pictures with a cell phone than they do with a DSLR. Auto on most DSLRs are total crap. You HAVE to know what you are doing with one to get great results.

It takes years and lots of shots to get good at taking Photos that you would hang on a wall. If it was easy we would all be Pro Photographers.
Click to expand...
That is only partly true. My second ever shot with my then new Fuji S2 Pro was an image I made into a print and sold (see below). I made many good images right off the bat but it did take some time to learn the finer points of (DSLR) photography. I had a Pentax SLR years before, with only a 50mm lens, for art school but had made do with an Olympus Mu for a long time.

The post sounds like a bit of a troll really.

ed31ea7b76f045b2a7d919f871efaf6e.jpg
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Some people actually PAID money for that print?? Really? And you think I am a troll.
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I do think you are rude.
 
007peter said:
Instead of criticizing v1fan for his conclusion, I want to point out this is also the Fault of the ENTIRE PHOTO industry. For years, camera industry has been selling the idea that DSLR = AUTOMATIC Great Photo, to any unassuming Mom & Pop out there.

People buying DSLR for the wrong reason, they assume putting a DSLR in AUTO mode = great photo. In reality, the opposite is happening. While DSLR take great photo under the hand of an expert or semi-serious hobbyist, it can actually takes WORSE photograph in the hand of an amateur.
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I think you got causation wrong here. I dont see any camera maker promote the ideal of "automatic great photo". No more than car makers promote "automatic great drivers".

Just as high proportion of sports car owners know very little about the complexity of race driving. Yet they buy fast cars anyway. The only difference is they generally accept that they are unskilled so they do not complain - except occasionally the unassuming rich owners crash into horrible accidents.

Manufactures promote their product by showing you what their product can achieve. Absent of actual misrepresentation they cannot be blamed for consumers mistakenly took the belief that no skill is required.
 
Your images say "case dismissed"! : )
 
v1fan said:
I bought a DSLR in late 2007, Nikon D200. Today I counted its actuation and its 85272.

From 85272 shots of this camera, I cannot think of a single one that I like or I'm proud of.

While I have grown up with it, this camera has never helped me, it has never taught me anything, it has basically been a useless piece of kit.

Not because of this particular model, no, its the obsolete piece of gear that we call a DSLR or SLR.

I have more keepers with a P&S which I've hardly used.

Here is my verdict. DSLR is history.
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Ah you just forgot to take off the lens cap!
 
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