700D vs 750D - Huge conflict

Speedping · Mar 23, 2015

Hello.

I am 16, I'm really into photography, and I want to buy a DSLR. I work really hard for it.

I am having a hard time deciding between getting the 700D now or waiting for the 750D. Here is my confilct:

On one hand, the 700D is currently available and it's pretty cheap. It's a good overall DSLR. 750D is going to be really expensive in the first few months

On the other hand, the 750D sounds really great with its 24mpx and built in WiFi (perfect for On-The-Go shooting). Plus it has DIG!C and 19 cross type focusing points.

I know all the pros say "Invest in glass, not in bodies". I know it's the most important thing that affects IQ. Althoug, the 750D really looks like a step-up, and I don't want to buy the 700D only to feel like I made the wrong decision a few months later.

I know it's kind of hard to make a comparison when there are no reviews out there, but I know you all faced this exact situation in the past. What would you do if you were me?

Thanks!

trekkeruss · Mar 23, 2015

You're 16. 16! Assuming you become a lifelong photographer, you will own many different cameras. So don't sweat about buying the most perfect camera now, because it does not exist. Get what you can afford, and work on the skills. The skills is what will make you a great photographer, not the hardware.

patticake · Mar 23, 2015

if i were you...

do you currently have any kind of camera right now? if so, i'd wait for the 2-dial camera. i've discovered that shooting raw is SO much nicer when you have 2 dials/wheels to work with. so the question with this point - is having 2 dials/wheels worth the additional expense and the wait to you?

i don't know that i'd bother to wait on the focus points as i haven't found that even older rebels have trouble focusing - my son got pics with his t2i and the older 55-250 of the space shuttle on its last flight, and the camera focused on it with no problem. in fact, he's had no problems focusing on butterflies in flight or a wide variety of other subjects.

there will ALWAYS be a new camera on the horizon, and chances are it will always have something that makes you go "hmmmm..." but unless you can afford to upgrade every year, pick a camera that will do the job for you with lens options that work for your needs. there are no current DSLRs or mirrorless (m4/3 or bigger sensor) cameras that can't take great looking shots if you know how to use them.

btw, often newly released cameras have issues, while the ones that have been around a while may have those issues solved by the time the second run are available for sale.

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harcourtfenton · Mar 23, 2015

Speedping said:
I am 16,

I have seen both of those digits a lot more often than you have.

Speedping said:
I'm really into photography, and I want to buy a DSLR. I work really hard for it.

Seems fair.

Speedping said:
I am having a hard time deciding between getting the 700D now or waiting for the 750D. Here is my confilct:

On one hand, the 700D is currently available and it's pretty cheap.

Good word. Cheap. Like the sound of that.

And you forgot to mention its great camera too. Really, the camera will not hold back you ability to do great photography if you can learn how.

Speedping said:
It's a good overall DSLR. 750D is going to be really expensive in the first few months

Bad word. Expensive.

Speedping said:
On the other hand, the 750D sounds really great with its 24mpx

It's not much difference. Those 24Mp are only a 15% improvement on the linear resolution of the 700D, which is not really a big deal. It's more megapixels than many pros use ( the top of the range Nikon D4 has only 16Mp and that's a monster ! ).

Speedping said:
and built in WiFi (perfect for On-The-Go shooting).

There are memory cards with WiFi built-in if you must have it. Google "Eye-Fi".

Speedping said:
Plus it has DIG!C

That's a generic name Canon use for all their image processors. It's not that big a deal going from the one in the 700D to the one in the 750D.

Speedping said:
and 19 cross type focusing points.

DPR reviewed and tested the 700D's AF system and rated it very good. I don't think you'd see much practical difference between the two.

Speedping said:
I know all the pros say "Invest in glass, not in bodies". I know it's the most important thing that affects IQ.

The most important thing that affects image quality is the photographer. Never forget this. The modern kit lenses are also not to be sneezed at - they're very good lenses in their own right optically. So don't rush out to get more stuff until you hit a limit with what you start with.

And read more on the forums. Here's a useful tip : serious amateurs buy a lot of used lenses e.g. from dealers. You don't have to buy the latest or to buy new stuff to get good lenses. And there are some optically good lenses ( including the kit lens ) which will do a fine job for you when the time is right.

Speedping said:
Althoug, the 750D really looks like a step-up, and I don't want to buy the 700D only to feel like I made the wrong decision a few months later.

Either camera will be good. I'm inclined to say the 700D will be more than enough for you ( or me for that matter ).

Speedping said:
I know it's kind of hard to make a comparison when there are no reviews out there, but I know you all faced this exact situation in the past. What would you do if you were me?

Buy the 700D and the kit lens. Use it and learn some basic photography skills and when you hit a limit talk to us.

Avrflrut · Mar 23, 2015

The d700 has 2 dials. The angry photographer (on YouTube) raves about the d700, watch the video if you need to get excited about it. It's definitely more than enough camera.

patticake · Mar 23, 2015

Avrflrut said:
The d700 has 2 dials. The angry photographer (on YouTube) raves about the d700, watch the video if you need to get excited about it. It's definitely more than enough camera.

looking at 700D (t5i) pics now. sure don't see a second wheel or dial.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-700d-rebel-t5i/images/allroundview.jpg

are you talking about the D7000?

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Spotted Cow · Mar 23, 2015

I would get the 700D and spend whatever money you might have spent on the 750D on lenses down the line once you have gotten used to using the 700D with the 18-135 STM lens, for example for now. All the STM lenses are of very good quality and very affordable, by photography standards. I think spending the extra funds on classes and/or books and practicing will make you a better photographer much faster than purchasing the 750D. When I was in highschool, I borrowed my father's Canon film camera to take a photography course. As someone said, any competent photographer can make great photographs using pretty much any of today's SR cameras. Of course YMMV.

Avrflrut · Mar 23, 2015

Got confused which forum I was on, my bad, disregard.

Zapirian · Mar 24, 2015

Avrflrut said:
Got confused which forum I was on, my bad, disregard.

I did question the sense of Canon bringing out a 700D when the older Nikon is D700, and a 750D when the latest FF Nikon release is the D750.

Speedping · Mar 24, 2015

harcourtfenton said:
harcourtfenton said:

I am 16,

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I have seen both of those digits a lot more often than you have.

harcourtfenton said:

I'm really into photography, and I want to buy a DSLR. I work really hard for it.

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Seems fair.

harcourtfenton said:

I am having a hard time deciding between getting the 700D now or waiting for the 750D. Here is my confilct:

On one hand, the 700D is currently available and it's pretty cheap.

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Good word. Cheap. Like the sound of that.

And you forgot to mention its great camera too. Really, the camera will not hold back you ability to do great photography if you can learn how.

harcourtfenton said:

It's a good overall DSLR. 750D is going to be really expensive in the first few months

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Bad word. Expensive.

harcourtfenton said:

On the other hand, the 750D sounds really great with its 24mpx

Click to expand...

It's not much difference. Those 24Mp are only a 15% improvement on the linear resolution of the 700D, which is not really a big deal. It's more megapixels than many pros use ( the top of the range Nikon D4 has only 16Mp and that's a monster ! ).

harcourtfenton said:

and built in WiFi (perfect for On-The-Go shooting).

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There are memory cards with WiFi built-in if you must have it. Google "Eye-Fi".

harcourtfenton said:

Plus it has DIG!C

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That's a generic name Canon use for all their image processors. It's not that big a deal going from the one in the 700D to the one in the 750D.

harcourtfenton said:

and 19 cross type focusing points.

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DPR reviewed and tested the 700D's AF system and rated it very good. I don't think you'd see much practical difference between the two.

harcourtfenton said:

I know all the pros say "Invest in glass, not in bodies". I know it's the most important thing that affects IQ.

Click to expand...

The most important thing that affects image quality is the photographer. Never forget this. The modern kit lenses are also not to be sneezed at - they're very good lenses in their own right optically. So don't rush out to get more stuff until you hit a limit with what you start with.

And read more on the forums. Here's a useful tip : serious amateurs buy a lot of used lenses e.g. from dealers. You don't have to buy the latest or to buy new stuff to get good lenses. And there are some optically good lenses ( including the kit lens ) which will do a fine job for you when the time is right.

harcourtfenton said:

Althoug, the 750D really looks like a step-up, and I don't want to buy the 700D only to feel like I made the wrong decision a few months later.

Click to expand...

Either camera will be good. I'm inclined to say the 700D will be more than enough for you ( or me for that matter ).

harcourtfenton said:

I know it's kind of hard to make a comparison when there are no reviews out there, but I know you all faced this exact situation in the past. What would you do if you were me?

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Buy the 700D and the kit lens. Use it and learn some basic photography skills and when you hit a limit talk to us.

Thank You all for the really informative and helpful answers. I'll probably go for the 700D with the 18-135 IS STM, I can get a nice bundle. I also want a nice prime for portriature. I considered the nifty fifty but it seems a litle bit too cheap for me. I also have a Carl Zeiss Biotar 58mm f/2 from the 60s'. It belonged to my grandfather. It is a Praktina mount, and the adapter costs as much as a nifty fifty.
Should I buy the 50m f1.8 from canon or get the adapter?
Thanks!

harcourtfenton · Mar 24, 2015

Speedping said:
I considered the nifty fifty but it seems a litle bit too cheap for me.

Don't be fooled by the price. Great little lens. Grab one used if you can - they're very widely available.

Speedping said:
I also have a Carl Zeiss Biotar 58mm f/2 from the 60s'. It belonged to my grandfather. It is a Praktina mount, and the adapter costs as much as a nifty fifty.
Should I buy the 50m f1.8 from canon or get the adapter?

Interesting. Did I say that before ?

The nifty-fifty has the advantage of AF and automatic aperture control. It's good optically ( again, not reflected in the price ). Those are big advantages.

The Biotar 58 f2 will leave you all manual ( focus, exposure, the lot ) and while that's sometimes OK, starting out you'll probably hate it. In fact without focus peaking on my MILC I'd have stopped manual focusing completely. Older film SLRs had split focus screens to help getting focus manually, but you don't have that on a 700D.

Optically I might say the Biotar 58/2 was better ( said to have beautiful creamy bokeh - BUT not all versions had the same optical formula ( design ) AFAIK and I can't say your versio is one of the beautiful ones.

These links discusses that lens family in more detail :

http://vintage-camera-lenses.com/carl-zeiss-jena-biotar-258/

http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/carl-zeiss-58mm-f2-biotar-t.html

Note the warning about possibly damaging the DSLR mirror at infity focus ( or beyond - it's possible on many lenses to focus beyond infinity ). So there's an element of risk for the unwary.

Personally I'd suggest getting the nifty-fifty and holding on to the Biotar for later. Now AF and automatic handling are more useful to you.

patticake · Mar 24, 2015

another vote for the nifty fifty. what it lacks in build quality (i don't suggest dropping it) it makes up in nice sharp pictures. and while focus isn't the fastest in lower light, well, that's true of many lenses. don't be misled by the lower price - the 50mm 1.8 is worth owning.

Speedping · Mar 24, 2015

patticake said:
another vote for the nifty fifty. what it lacks in build quality (i don't suggest dropping it) it makes up in nice sharp pictures. and while focus isn't the fastest in lower light, well, that's true of many lenses. don't be misled by the lower price - the 50mm 1.8 is worth owning.

harcourtfenton · Mar 24, 2015

You're WAY ahead of yourself IMO. There's a huge amount to learn to develop your skills as a basic photographer and most of that has little to do with the lens you use. It's mostly light, composition, framing, and stuff of that sort.

The 18-135 STM ( good general lens ) and the nifty-fifty make a very nice set of lenses. You might NEVER need more lenses. No rush, you're only 16 - they'll still be making lenses when you're e.g. 17, 18, 19, 20 ...

patticake · Mar 24, 2015

you could always try the yongnuo and see what you think - they say it has autofocus. if you get it, be sure and remove the film off the sensor side of the lens. me, i'd go for the canon as i like the optical quality but ya never know...

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Leonard Migliore · Mar 24, 2015

harcourtfenton said:
Note the warning about possibly damaging the DSLR mirror at infity focus ( or beyond - it's possible on many lenses to focus beyond infinity ). So there's an element of risk for the unwary.

The mirror interference occurred on a full-frame DSLR; that's not going to happen with the O.P.'s crop-sensor Canon. But it is going to be a chore to focus.

harcourtfenton · Mar 25, 2015

Leonard Migliore said:
Leonard Migliore said:

Note the warning about possibly damaging the DSLR mirror at infity focus ( or beyond - it's possible on many lenses to focus beyond infinity ). So there's an element of risk for the unwary.

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The mirror interference occurred on a full-frame DSLR; that's not going to happen with the O.P.'s crop-sensor Canon.

For my own curiosity, what's your reasoning on that ? Why do you say it will not happen on a crop frame, as the crop frame has a mirror as well. How can you be sure of this ?

MarshallG · Mar 25, 2015

I worked all summer long to buy a Nikon when I was your age -- in the late 1970's. I never became a professional photographer, but all of the technology I learned became very formative and useful in my professional career today.

If you want your photography to get good, you need to take a lot of pictures, and that means having your camera with you often. For this reason, the compact Rebel series is great. The 18-135mm lens is not too great. My opinion is to consider the 24mm or 40mm pancake lens instead of the nifty fifty. Those lenses are both sharper, better focusing, and more compact than the nifty fifty. What's more, 50mm is a pretty long focal length for a crop sensor camera. The 24mm is a better all-around, general purpose choice for fixed focal length photography.

Regarding your choice between the 750 and 700 models: I think the only cool feature is the WiFi, but uploading jpeg's straight out of the camera limits your ability to produce the best results, which is what you want your camera to do.

My last advice is to take a lot of pictures of your friends and family. You'll really treasure those photos in the future.

patticake · Mar 25, 2015

me, i do better pics with a zoom. a lot of people say to "zoom with your feet", but i often find my pictures in places where that would be literally impossible. besides, everyone has a different preference when it comes to primes, and a zoom - at very least a kit lens - can help you find that focal length. my husband prefers 24mm where i like 35mm and 50mm on my crop sensor camera. some people here like to shoot very wide - wider than 18mm - and others like 60mm or 85mm. a zoom will let you experiment.

Leonard Migliore · Mar 25, 2015

harcourtfenton said:
harcourtfenton said:

harcourtfenton said:

Note the warning about possibly damaging the DSLR mirror at infity focus ( or beyond - it's possible on many lenses to focus beyond infinity ). So there's an element of risk for the unwary.

Click to expand...

The mirror interference occurred on a full-frame DSLR; that's not going to happen with the O.P.'s crop-sensor Canon.

Click to expand...

For my own curiosity, what's your reasoning on that ? Why do you say it will not happen on a crop frame, as the crop frame has a mirror as well. How can you be sure of this ?

Crop-sensor Canons with the EF-S mount require less room for mirror clearance than full-frame Canons with the EF mount. This is allowable because crop-sensor mirrors are smaller than full-frame mirrors since they only have to cover a 16mm high frame rather than a 24mm high frame.

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