Has Nikon painted their lenses? :-)

Endos · Mar 11, 2015

J A C S said:
Endos said:

ttbek said:

If Sony sensors had better color I might buy one.

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Sony cameras already have better color than Canon.

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I have to agree with ttbek. The main reason I did not get the A7II for its IBIS was the Sony colors (besides color shift, sensor reflections and compression artifacts). I cannot stand them.

If you like the Canon colors then it's hard to like the more accurate Sony colors. Fortunately my camera doesn't have any of the defects you say, it must be a problem with the e-mount, not with the sensors.

fishy wishy · Mar 11, 2015

Marcin 3M said:
I did some research about posted photo. It can be found on pages dated back to 2010, quite probably it was taken few years earlier. At that moment Canon was unrivalled. Look how lens share looks today. It is different, isn't? Few years was enogh, and competition with fine sensors (keep in mind, that D3 and D4 do not use Sony sensors), reliable AF and set of decent lenses found its place among proud white tubes. I don't see any reason, why white Zeiss won't be able to join the crowd anytime soon.

Some of this is hard to understand, what I can understand is wrong. With the D3 performance and the PR disaster of the 1D III Nikon made up a lot of ground among professionals. Canon was certainly unrivalled at the beginning of 2007. If Nikon lost ground again in 2012 it was more to do with incompetent management than incompetence of the flagship D4.

J A C S · Mar 11, 2015

Endos said:
J A C S said:

Endos said:

ttbek said:

If Sony sensors had better color I might buy one.

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Sony cameras already have better color than Canon.

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I have to agree with ttbek. The main reason I did not get the A7II for its IBIS was the Sony colors (besides color shift, sensor reflections and compression artifacts). I cannot stand them.

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Endos said:
If you like the Canon colors then it's hard to like the more accurate Sony colors.

I do not find them "more accurate". I especially hate the green (foliage) which looks electric to me, almost no hues, like a cartoon.

ttbek · Mar 12, 2015

I just don't think Zeiss is interested in making any long glass, for now at least.

ttbek · Mar 12, 2015

I like the Canon colors much better, so they're subjectively better to me. I'm curious what you are referring to though, metamerism?

Endos · Mar 12, 2015

ttbek said:
I like the Canon colors much better, so they're subjectively better to me. I'm curious what you are referring to though, metamerism?

Exactly, SMI. It can be seen in the Color Response tab in dxomark for each camera (it doesn't appear in the comparisons).

ttbek · Mar 12, 2015

Just from memory (I should go look...), but aren't the more recent Samsung sensors more accurate than the Sony ones. I like the Samsung colors. Whatever the overall accuracy is I don't like what I see coming from the Sony sensors.... so I suspect they made the wrong compromise somewhere.

Marcin 3M · Mar 12, 2015

ttbek said:
I just don't think Zeiss is interested in making any long glass, for now at least.

Maybe not Zeiss, but Sony has 300/2.8 and 500/4 in their lineup for A mount...

Endos · Mar 13, 2015

ttbek said:
Just from memory (I should go look...), but aren't the more recent Samsung sensors more accurate than the Sony ones. I like the Samsung colors.

Doesn't seem to be the case.

ttbek said:
Whatever the overall accuracy is I don't like what I see coming from the Sony sensors.... so I suspect they made the wrong compromise somewhere.

Color is very subjective. I have yet to find a camera that outperforms on the color section my old Sony A900.

PhotoKhan · Mar 14, 2015

David Pavlich said:
If this has been posted, I apologize, but I just saw it and thought you guys might enjoy it:

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...of so many not knowing how they so need increased DR...poor fools...

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RedFox88 · Mar 14, 2015

Dave_K said:
I recall an event recently where Nikon was one of the major sponsors and subsequently ALL of the photogs had to wear a Nikon vest. Unfortunately, I can't remember which event it was, perhaps someone can help me.

This was because for a year Canon sponsored all field photographers at all NFL games with red vests.

Marcin 3M · Mar 14, 2015

PhotoKhan said:
David Pavlich said:

If this has been posted, I apologize, but I just saw it and thought you guys might enjoy it:

David

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b.bubevski · Mar 14, 2015

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nuke6666 · Mar 15, 2015

may be AFC cup football ,,, NIkon sponsored vest ;-)

ttbek · Mar 15, 2015

How do they stack up with the same from others? If they follow the Sony trend they will be worse lenses at the same or higher cost. I am aware of them, I'll try and read reviews today.

ttbek · Mar 15, 2015

Just checked on the 300 mm f/2.8..... disappointingly soft and costs more than 500 USD more than the Canon at B&H. Not even close to the sharpness of the Canon even though DXO had it mounted on a camera with more megapixels.

ttbek · Mar 15, 2015

Pretty much the same story for the 500, softer, more expensive, and more CA. Very slightly more transmission and slightly less vignette, also more distortion. Pretty much exactly the same as how the 300 mm lenses match up. Of course it may be the A99 limiting these lenses with a strong AA filter or something... but it has a higher resolution sensor than the 5DIII.

Marcin 3M · Mar 15, 2015

ttbek said:
Pretty much the same story for the 500, softer, more expensive, and more CA. Very slightly more transmission and slightly less vignette, also more distortion. Pretty much exactly the same as how the 300 mm lenses match up. Of course it may be the A99 limiting these lenses with a strong AA filter or something... but it has a higher resolution sensor than the 5DIII.

A99 is 24M camera, so pretty close to 5DIII.
Yes, I know overall inferior lens quality (comparing to Nikon and Canon). But it is not like total unavailability of some lenses for this cam. And don't forget about third parties. Sigma beats 1.4 lenses from C & N in many aspects. Some long lenses are fine from them too.
Time flows, and world is changing. Lots of young people plays with Sony these days. Not sure if they will to swap their camera systems as they grow up.
So far n+1 iteration of Canon sensors suffers from the same issue. I know, this issue is problem when user does not know, how to expose properly, but those of us, who remembers methods of lifting shadows in B&W process tends to forget that it is a sin.
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