Rule of Thirds... and breaking it.

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A Devon landscape shot taken near Woolacombe Beach. Lovely rolling farms landscape done up in a quilt of colours with a few giant wind turbines added for good measure. Typically I would have been very deliberate in application of the "rule of thirds" but I didn't want to loose the cloud formation in the back ground.


What might you have done different here?
 
I like to think I would have done exactly what you did. You have five distinct horizontal bands here, framed in approximately equal proportions. The "rule of thirds" doesn't cover this situation very well.

Nicely done.
 
A Devon landscape shot taken near Woolacombe Beach. Lovely rolling farms landscape done up in a quilt of colours with a few giant wind turbines added for good measure. Typically I would have been very deliberate in application of the "rule of thirds" but I didn't want to loose the cloud formation in the back ground.


What might you have done different here?
If there was a "distinct" subject, it would make a difference using the rule of thirds. In this case, I see none. The whole image is what it is.

For example, like this. Hope you do not mind me playing with your image to showcase my point to you. If you do, just have the mods delete it.



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A Devon landscape shot taken near Woolacombe Beach. Lovely rolling farms landscape done up in a quilt of colours with a few giant wind turbines added for good measure. Typically I would have been very deliberate in application of the "rule of thirds" but I didn't want to loose the cloud formation in the back ground.

It's quite well balanced up and down. As for left and right, the big cloud on the right does weigh the right side down a bit, but does not distract me.
What might you have done different here?
I'm really interested in the farm land. I like how the yellow and green intersect in angular patches. The yellow vegetation in the immediate foreground is not as interesting. A higher vantage point would allow more of the farmland to be seen. I don't know how such a shot would be possible if you were in the middle of an open field.
 
A Devon landscape shot taken near Woolacombe Beach. Lovely rolling farms landscape done up in a quilt of colours with a few giant wind turbines added for good measure. Typically I would have been very deliberate in application of the "rule of thirds" but I didn't want to loose the cloud formation in the back ground.


What might you have done different here?
The thing about the "rule of thirds" (or as I prefer to call it, the "gentle suggestion of thirds") is that it is a hugely simplified application of the much larger theory of visual balance, that just happens to work in a reasonable percentage of scenarios.

If you want to move beyond slavishly following it (and other such "photographic rules"), I would really recommend reading up on the broader mechanisms on which these "rules" are based. That way, you'll be much better equipped to make decisions on where to place the visual weight (and other compositional decisions), and really make your compositions convey whatever you want them to. It'll take more effort and practice than going through your photographic life with a handful of "rules" that can be explained in 20 seconds each, but I'm sure it'll be worth it. I personally really enjoyed and learned from Michael Freeman's "The Photographer's Eye".

Nice image, by the way! :D good example of not following the "rule" but using your own judgement on visual balance
 
A Devon landscape shot taken near Woolacombe Beach. Lovely rolling farms landscape done up in a quilt of colours with a few giant wind turbines added for good measure. Typically I would have been very deliberate in application of the "rule of thirds" but I didn't want to loose the cloud formation in the back ground.


What might you have done different here?
The thing about the "rule of thirds" (or as I prefer to call it, the "gentle suggestion of thirds") is that it is a hugely simplified application of the much larger theory of visual balance, that just happens to work in a reasonable percentage of scenarios.

If you want to move beyond slavishly following it (and other such "photographic rules"), I would really recommend reading up on the broader mechanisms on which these "rules" are based. That way, you'll be much better equipped to make decisions on where to place the visual weight (and other compositional decisions), and really make your compositions convey whatever you want them to. It'll take more effort and practice than going through your photographic life with a handful of "rules" that can be explained in 20 seconds each, but I'm sure it'll be worth it. I personally really enjoyed and learned from Michael Freeman's "The Photographer's Eye".

Nice image, by the way! :D good example of not following the "rule" but using your own judgement on visual balance
Spot on. If you super-impose thirds on golden ratio, then you get a band around the centre of the image that generally carries more visual weight without making the image too static and/or unbalanced as placing objects dead centre might be. One of the reasons the so called "rule of thirds" seems to work is because anything exactly on the intersection is also on the diagonal between two corners, and close to the intersection of "triangles".

View your visual weight and balance here as a diagonal that runs from bottom left to top right, the balance is between the hollow in the land and the bump in the clouds. I would be tempted to shave a little off the foreground so to balance these more symmetrically in relation to the mentioned diagonal and to the volume of blue sky above the cloud vs the volume of grass in the near foreground. No more than a third of the depth of foreground grass

But not every image is obliging enough to fall exactly in line with photographer's rules, fortunately. ;-)

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I love your image and the textures and variations. If I had to make one suggestion, and I'm not sure it is necessary, I may crop out some of the foreground, but let some others weigh in---- but they have by not suggesting any changes.

Very nice.

Kent
 
A Devon landscape shot taken near Woolacombe Beach. Lovely rolling farms landscape done up in a quilt of colours with a few giant wind turbines added for good measure. Typically I would have been very deliberate in application of the "rule of thirds" but I didn't want to loose the cloud formation in the back ground.


What might you have done different here?
I used to be a world designer on the Lord of the Rings franchise for a short period. I worked with some of the world's most talented artists. Never once were the words "rule of thirds" mentioned in the creation of any landscapes or vistas. It either looked good or it didn't, even if the rule of thirds was actually applied to many areas and shots. :)

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A Devon landscape shot taken near Woolacombe Beach. Lovely rolling farms landscape done up in a quilt of colours with a few giant wind turbines added for good measure. Typically I would have been very deliberate in application of the "rule of thirds" but I didn't want to loose the cloud formation in the back ground.


What might you have done different here?
I used to be a world designer on the Lord of the Rings franchise for a short period. I worked with some of the world's most talented artists. Never once were the words "rule of thirds" mentioned in the creation of any landscapes or vistas. It either looked good or it didn't, even if the rule of thirds was actually applied to many areas and shots. :)

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That's not surprising. I find this rule less applicable in wide formats. At 16:9, it's already a stretch, so to speak. At typical cinema widescreen formats, it really falls apart.
 
I would have aimed the camera a little higher, for more sky. Which still does not conform to the Rule Of Thirds. I'm surprised this bogus rule gets so much attention.

Kelly Cook
 
I don't think I would have changed anything in your photo.

I am not a great advocate of the Rule of Thirds, but I don't think your image breaks it quite as conclusively as your title implies.

While the horizon is almost exactly in the middle of the picture, the band of clouds is on the line one third down from the top. Also, the field of grain in the foreground occupies approximately the bottom third of the image.

Horizontally, looking across the picture, there are too many points of interest (such as the wind turbines, and the patchwork of field boundaries and colours) that it's not possible to say that the Rule of Thirds is either followed or broken in the horizontal positioning.

I think that is one of the problems with the Rule of Thirds - how exactly do you apply it to a picture such as this one?
 
A Devon landscape shot taken near Woolacombe Beach. Lovely rolling farms landscape done up in a quilt of colours with a few giant wind turbines added for good measure. Typically I would have been very deliberate in application of the "rule of thirds" but I didn't want to loose the cloud formation in the back ground.


What might you have done different here?
I used to be a world designer on the Lord of the Rings franchise for a short period. I worked with some of the world's most talented artists. Never once were the words "rule of thirds" mentioned in the creation of any landscapes or vistas. It either looked good or it didn't, even if the rule of thirds was actually applied to many areas and shots. :)

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Your last sentence summarises my thought on the matter. I don't always apply the rule of thirds when shooting but often find the best shots comply with it. However, as in this case, I don't think I could have made it work, yet for me at least the image is pleasing.

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A Devon landscape shot taken near Woolacombe Beach. Lovely rolling farms landscape done up in a quilt of colours with a few giant wind turbines added for good measure. Typically I would have been very deliberate in application of the "rule of thirds" but I didn't want to loose the cloud formation in the back ground.


What might you have done different here?
Here is the same image as presented and with a crop of the foreground and then stretched to get closer to the rule.

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Which do you like better? I like the second one as I think that rule has some merit, not necessarily all the time, but more often than not. In the second one, my eyes are not drawn to the foreground as they are in the first. Dave

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A Devon landscape shot taken near Woolacombe Beach. Lovely rolling farms landscape done up in a quilt of colours with a few giant wind turbines added for good measure. Typically I would have been very deliberate in application of the "rule of thirds" but I didn't want to loose the cloud formation in the back ground.


What might you have done different here?
Here is the same image as presented and with a crop of the foreground and then stretched to get closer to the rule.

544004afa3a74e87a4ee4507c3d39a1e.jpg

faa6ea91b27c4c14930c7e8241af7b07.jpg

Which do you like better? I like the second one as I think that rule has some merit, not necessarily all the time, but more often than not. In the second one, my eyes are not drawn to the foreground as they are in the first. Dave

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View of Yosemite Valley, Bridalveil fall 4 frame vertical pano taken from the tunnel parking lot.
http://davesphotography9173.zenfolio.com/p664463597/h158d1121#h158d1121
My Flickr pics here. https://www.flickr.com/photos/elitefroggyspics/
Are you sure that it's the rule of thirds on your crop? (view full size to see composition template)

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A Devon landscape shot taken near Woolacombe Beach. Lovely rolling farms landscape done up in a quilt of colours with a few giant wind turbines added for good measure. Typically I would have been very deliberate in application of the "rule of thirds" but I didn't want to loose the cloud formation in the back ground.


What might you have done different here?
Here is the same image as presented and with a crop of the foreground and then stretched to get closer to the rule.

544004afa3a74e87a4ee4507c3d39a1e.jpg

faa6ea91b27c4c14930c7e8241af7b07.jpg

Which do you like better? I like the second one as I think that rule has some merit, not necessarily all the time, but more often than not. In the second one, my eyes are not drawn to the foreground as they are in the first. Dave

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Visit my gallery at http://davesphotography9173.zenfolio.com/
View of Yosemite Valley, Bridalveil fall 4 frame vertical pano taken from the tunnel parking lot.
http://davesphotography9173.zenfolio.com/p664463597/h158d1121#h158d1121
My Flickr pics here. https://www.flickr.com/photos/elitefroggyspics/
Are you sure that it's the rule of thirds on your crop? (view full size to see composition template)
If you read my post, I said "closer to the rule". I never try to get it exactly, as I don't work that way. I just get it to somewhere in the ballpark. :)
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View of Yosemite Valley, Bridalveil fall 4 frame vertical pano taken from the tunnel parking lot.
My Flickr pics here. https://www.flickr.com/photos/elitefroggyspics/
 
I know David, I'm just saying that there is more going on here than just the rule of thirds as there is in any image. I also fully understand you appreciate this and that thirds is just a principle. From my first post:

One of the reasons the so called "rule of thirds" seems to work is because anything exactly on the intersection is also on the diagonal between two corners, and close to the intersection of "triangles".

View your visual weight and balance here as a diagonal that runs from bottom left to top right, the balance is between the hollow in the land and the bump in the clouds.


Given the full file there will be other ways of balancing the image as well. Every single one would have some validity.
 
A Devon landscape shot taken near Woolacombe Beach. Lovely rolling farms landscape done up in a quilt of colours with a few giant wind turbines added for good measure. Typically I would have been very deliberate in application of the "rule of thirds" but I didn't want to loose the cloud formation in the back ground.


What might you have done different here?
Well seen in both contexts.
 
Just a matter of taste (or conformational bias) I find the crop version places too much emphasis on the sky. Perhaps if I had seen it first the notion of my original would never have materialised :-)
 

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