How to get a fuji raw to look as good as a fuji jpg?

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I can't do it. I tried for an hour. I took a raw + jpg and had the jpg set up as a monochrome. Then I tried to match the raw image to the jpg using rawtherapee, and I could not get it to look either as sharp or with the same balance.

Does anyone have any tips?
 
RawTherapee 4.2.1 produces sharper and more detailed output than the JPEGs. Not sure how you can not get that. If your aim is to match out of camera JPEGs, download the new Raw File Converter 2 from the Fujifilm website. It has the film simulations and b/w modes.
 
I can't do it. I tried for an hour. I took a raw + jpg and had the jpg set up as a monochrome. Then I tried to match the raw image to the jpg using rawtherapee, and I could not get it to look either as sharp or with the same balance.

Does anyone have any tips?
the fuji jpegs can't be beaten, especially the x-100 and x-a1
 
As above, if you prefer the jpgs, use them. If you want fuji results use the fuji software. Truly.
 
RawTherapee 4.2.1 produces sharper and more detailed output than the JPEGs. Not sure how you can not get that. If your aim is to match out of camera JPEGs, download the new Raw File Converter 2 from the Fujifilm website. It has the film simulations and b/w modes.
 
RawTherapee 4.2.1 produces sharper and more detailed output than the JPEGs. Not sure how you can not get that. If your aim is to match out of camera JPEGs, download the new Raw File Converter 2 from the Fujifilm website. It has the film simulations and b/w modes.
 
I can't do it. I tried for an hour. I took a raw + jpg and had the jpg set up as a monochrome. Then I tried to match the raw image to the jpg using rawtherapee, and I could not get it to look either as sharp or with the same balance.

Does anyone have any tips?
Rawtherapee comes with a bit of a learning curve to say the least. Once you figure out how to use it properly it can give you MUCH more detailed files than SOOC jpgs with the tonal distribution of your choice - depending on your camera model it's 12/14bit (RAW) vs. 8 bit (jpg).

You can find some helpful information here.

How about putting up your files so we can have a look ?

Cheers, Ken
 
LR 5.7 and the Fuji emulations that come with it - they're pretty close. Be aware though, there will always be some jpegs that you can't exactly replicate.
 
i tried to put up a couple of files, but don't know how to submit a raw file. Is there a way to do this?
 
i tried to put up a couple of files, but don't know how to submit a raw file. Is there a way to do this?
You could use dropbox.
 
If we can only put up jogs, I have provided my attempt.



Here is the original jpg:



Fuji Jpg.
Fuji Jpg.

And here is the best attempt at converting the raw to match:



RawTherapee converted raw to jpg. (Slight crop of the original.)
RawTherapee converted raw to jpg. (Slight crop of the original.)
 
Um, your processed image is much, much sharper than the ooc JPEG (or did you mix up the captions?). Now, whether that's desirable is another question. Regarding color balance, I don't see a problem either. What are your concerns specifically?
 
Um, your processed image is much, much sharper than the ooc JPEG (or did you mix up the captions?). Now, whether that's desirable is another question. Regarding color balance, I don't see a problem either. What are your concerns specifically?
I find my converted picture to be over sharpened. Yet if I try to drop the sharpening level, the image becomes soft. Take a look at the eye of the prominent cow at full resolution. I can't get that type of sharp result without over sharpening. To me, the overall jpg looks better, and has a better balance of tones.
 
Um, your processed image is much, much sharper than the ooc JPEG (or did you mix up the captions?). Now, whether that's desirable is another question. Regarding color balance, I don't see a problem either. What are your concerns specifically?
I find my converted picture to be over sharpened.
That's why I wrote "whether that's desirable is another question".
Yet if I try to drop the sharpening level, the image becomes soft. Take a look at the eye of the prominent cow at full resolution. I can't get that type of sharp result without over sharpening.
Sharpening depends very much on how you intend to print/view the image. So, it would be informative to tell a bit more about that. In any case, I'm not familiar with RawTherapee, but I would guess, if you can get an image that is much sharper than the ooc-JPEG (even if it includes artifacts), you should be able to adjust sharpening down. I use Aperture, and I can get all kinds of sharpening levels using your raw image. I have to say, though, that noise reduction and sharpening are very much linked, particularly since the image is under-exposed and at ISO3200, so you may want to include noise reduction in your quest to get a rendition you like.
To me, the overall jpg looks better, and has a better balance of tones.
Color balance is often a matter of taste. How did you do the conversion to monochrome, i.e., what filter(s) was (were) used?

Another comment: I see you took the image at ISO3200 with -1/3EV EC. For low-light scenes like these, I would recommend to use an ETTR approach, or at least do not use any negative EC, because it requires you to use a higher ISO and thus increases noise.
 
I can't do it. I tried for an hour. I took a raw + jpg and had the jpg set up as a monochrome. Then I tried to match the raw image to the jpg using rawtherapee, and I could not get it to look either as sharp or with the same balance.

Does anyone have any tips?
In my experience Iridient Developer renders more detail to begin with, then responds nicely to R-L deconvolution or the new Iridient Reveal sharpening methods. There are several X-Trans specific RAW conversions methods and specific ones for B&W. You might download the free trial version and try it out. Be sure to turn down the default Iridient Reveal amount as I think it is set too strong initially.

Sal
 
Murrfk said:
nixda said:
Um, your processed image is much, much sharper than the ooc JPEG (or did you mix up the captions?). Now, whether that's desirable is another question. Regarding color balance, I don't see a problem either. What are your concerns specifically?
I find my converted picture to be over sharpened. Yet if I try to drop the sharpening level, the image becomes soft. Take a look at the eye of the prominent cow at full resolution. I can't get that type of sharp result without over sharpening. To me, the overall jpg looks better, and has a better balance of tones.
Here is a quick-and-dirty attempt using Aperture. It's not perfect, but I only spent 1 minute on it. That's all I can do right now as Im getting ready for my son's birthday celebrations... One would need to spend some more time on noise reduction perhaps, but that too depends so much on how you intend to print/view the image. It might be acceptable already as it is. Perhaps others can help you out a bit more.


Using Aperture; only raw-development sharpening used; no print sharpening (Sharpen/Edge Sharpen tools)
 
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This BW conversion was done using C1 Pro.
Upped the exposure a bit, added a little vignetting and perhaps you might find it oversharpened.
That's often a personal taste though.

C1 doesn't have the Fuji BW emulations so thats done to another personal taste. ;)



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