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What accusations have i made that is untrue?

No there is no other yet for mirrorless system but fuji has announced that they are to come for there system why should we wait for other manufacturer s to come up with them first? and did samsung announce recently that mirrorless will out sell dslrs well if this is to happen then many more lenses will be needed first.

Trust me i like samsung but the 300mm f2.8 is a silly option before a standard option is available, for the vast majority of samsung users a telephoto lens offering 300mm or more would i assume be very desirable and sales for this lense no doubt would be very good this would be great for the system. In the nx1 it maybe a mirrorless camera but size wise its very much a dslr and though its nice to have a pro 300mm lens surely they would have been better to produce even a cheap 300mm zoom?

Also there is no announcements of any 300mm or more lens in the pipeline.
jennyrae said:
jennyrae said:
TC, which mirrorless APS-C system has such 300mm zoom lens already offered?
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I think it is unfair to Samsung to be given such kind of accusation and blatant and inaccurate statement especially if they just came out with an excellent camera and 2 excellent pro lenses late last year. the NX system is one of the most complete system aside from Fuji and very much has line of lenses that is what is commonly needed by photographers. while I do hope for an OEM 300mm reach lens, I would not dare say that Samsung slowed down because they haven't. I believe they have it in future. so let's not get ahead of ourselves and make accusations left and right which are untrue.
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Both Panasonic and olympus have 300mm options fuji has announced some up and coming lenses sony has more options than samsung in its lenses so actually i think samsung's nx line doesn't seem so great anymore. Do you?
jennyrae said:
TC, which mirrorless APS-C system has such 300mm zoom lens already offered?

I think it is unfair to Samsung to be given such kind of accusation and blatant and inaccurate statement especially if they just came out with an excellent camera and 2 excellent pro lenses late last year. the NX system is one of the most complete system aside from Fuji and very much has line of lenses that is what is commonly needed by photographers. while I do hope for an OEM 300mm reach lens, I would not dare say that Samsung slowed down because they haven't. I believe they have it in future. so let's not get ahead of ourselves and make accusations left and right which are untrue.
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Samsung has actually 20 and 28 Mp sensor in their actual cameras.

I bet Samsung has a clear idea/roadmap of the upcoming sensors.

They need to keep the lens quality on par with at least the upcoming sensors.

Bodies come and go, but usually lens stay, if they are keeper.

If i look at the previous years lenses roadmaps i see several lenses that never showe up or changes specs in the making.

It think they will release new lenses when they feel that the lens design is mature.

I used to own Tamron 70-300, that i guess is the sort of lens you are missing. Actually i own a good copy of a cheap sigma 100-300. The Tamron was good on 6Mpixel bodies. On the D80 started to show up small issues. 28 Mp are really far from that 10 Mp. I bet that that lens would not make anyone happy in the Samsung world.

I agree, we need some more lens options, but you may agree with me that we need that options to be quality and lasting option.

So we can wait for Samsung to design the right lens or jump in the jungle of Dslr options and choose a system that can offer us a lot more of options (both quality and crap, let me say).

Today i choose to go out with my brand new (used) 50-200 mkI and use the izoom if i need some more tele, because i am likeing it more than my a200+sigma100-300.
 
wpstl said:
I was hoping I would some day meet a person who knew exactly what all the people of Europe and North America were thinking. My dream is fulfilled.

The truth is, most of us actually think Samsung should make what Samsung buyers need. And, right now, not many Samsung buyers need a 300 2.8. I'd venture to say almost no one with a current Samsung camera needs a 300 2.8. They might want one, but not need. I have an NX1 and I love it but it's not my first choice for sports and other activities for which a 300 2.8 is most handy. And it wouldn't be if Samsung released the 300 2.8 tomorrow. When I want that capability I use my 300 2.8 on my Nikon. Mirrorless cameras still aren't quite ready in AF for that. Soon. Maybe in Samsung's next body. So, right now, we need lenses of a different nature. Cheap has nothing to do with it. I bought both S lenses and neither would be considered cheap. What I want is something a little longer than 150mm and better than the 50-200, with a constant aperture, a 100-300 f/4. I would even accept an 100-400 variable aperture.. I 'd also like a wide and fast lens. A 20 1.4 would be great. It's not about "cheap"; it's about the proper lenses for the current cameras.
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Ya the issue is look at this board it is constant complaints about the "over priced lens" I called the price fairly closely of the 16-50 I was shouted down that it was way to expensive it needed to be 30-40% cheaper or "it would kill the system"



This is the issue... many people buy Samsung because they see it as a budget brand outside of Korea, or they buy without realizing what lens costs (I know I didn't fully understand when I got my NX11, today I always tell people look at the cost of the lens.)




Samsung I suspect is trying to change that. First the 300mm f2.8 hasn't been announced beyond that fact it is being built. Will there be other lens... likely.... does any other APS-C system have extra long Tele's yet? no.. why? one can easily speculate that it is because there isn't enough value in it yet.

So being as Samsung has not officially announced any new lens we don't know what is coming. We do however know they are working on a 300mm f2.8 That doesn't mean other lens aren't coming.

This board has several camps. The I want the best at no money group that should do some research, the I am going to post and tell Samsung they are doing everything wrong that should just leave and buy into another system and annoy that group. The People that Pixel Peep but only post really bad SOOC photos, that can't really be helped. Then there are those of us that are hear to help when we can, and want to hear about new, legit info, and are sick of seeing the same thread 15 times... or multiples of the same basic thread. Or the constant whining with out anything constructive to say.

Telephoto Lens' are the last group of lens that are going to be made. Because Samsung NX is most popular in... wait for it.. South Korea, where the NXxxx series judging buy it's "flagship" status over the NXxx series of cameras is most popular.. as such those lens are the ones that have been the focus.


I don't have numbers but I suspect that more NX camera were being bought in Korea than the rest of the world. (I'd like to see that change in a big way with the NX1) as such most Samsung users are likely Young Koreans between 18-35 who are using them socially.

10,16,20,30,45 all fairly fast low profile lens and the 16-50pz

The S series is not for the current Samsung customer, it is for the new Samsung Customer the customer like me that is using the NX as a flag ship camera in a pro grade manner and wants the pro grade lens.


I have actually been told that the NX1 seems really interesting...it's too bad there isn't enough pro glass or I might consider switching. (paraphrasing) 300 f2.8 comes up surprisingly often. Every time I mention that lens to someone, they say "oh I didn't realize they were getting that serious about making lens"

so you will likely see a few high end S lens come out.. (I would hope)

what I'd like to see is a 1.4x and 2x teleconverter produced by Samsung. First person to mention it was Randy a moderate forum member that has realistic expectations. The OP keeps going on.. the long tele is a what the majority of users will want... no it isn't. The majority of users want the NX500 with basic 4k to stick on video sharing sites in Korea and pancake lens for a night on the town. The TC is a comparatively cheap to produce option for Samsung that solves that issue for now...



Samsung is starting the try to change that. The NX1, the S lens and the showing of the 300mm f2.8 are statements of intent to me. The system is 5 years old and they have the lowest international market share and sales. Give them time.
 
Best post I've seen on here in a long time! :-)

Adrian
 
More choice is always nice; the main thing I think is now they have the NX1 a fast, weather sealed, 4k video capable camera they need more fast, silent, weather sealed lenses with OSS to take advantage of this. Pancakes are not really ideal and although good optically and small they are slow focussing and noisy and no OSS. But the two new "S" zooms cover quite a big range so they have done the right thing so far with those -a road map would be good!
 
Since picking up the NX1 I have seen people say a lack of lens but I dont understand this really, there are great lens out there, the 16-50 and 50-150 are amazing but if you really need a long lens get a Canon FD 300mm 2.8 lens, about a grand. No AF that can hurt but learn to focus and peaking helps.
 
Kaziklu said:
wpstl said:
I was hoping I would some day meet a person who knew exactly what all the people of Europe and North America were thinking. My dream is fulfilled.

The truth is, most of us actually think Samsung should make what Samsung buyers need. And, right now, not many Samsung buyers need a 300 2.8. I'd venture to say almost no one with a current Samsung camera needs a 300 2.8. They might want one, but not need. I have an NX1 and I love it but it's not my first choice for sports and other activities for which a 300 2.8 is most handy. And it wouldn't be if Samsung released the 300 2.8 tomorrow. When I want that capability I use my 300 2.8 on my Nikon. Mirrorless cameras still aren't quite ready in AF for that. Soon. Maybe in Samsung's next body. So, right now, we need lenses of a different nature. Cheap has nothing to do with it. I bought both S lenses and neither would be considered cheap. What I want is something a little longer than 150mm and better than the 50-200, with a constant aperture, a 100-300 f/4. I would even accept an 100-400 variable aperture.. I 'd also like a wide and fast lens. A 20 1.4 would be great. It's not about "cheap"; it's about the proper lenses for the current cameras.
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Ya the issue is look at this board it is constant complaints about the "over priced lens" I called the price fairly closely of the 16-50 I was shouted down that it was way to expensive it needed to be 30-40% cheaper or "it would kill the system"

This is the issue... many people buy Samsung because they see it as a budget brand outside of Korea, or they buy without realizing what lens costs (I know I didn't fully understand when I got my NX11, today I always tell people look at the cost of the lens.)

Samsung I suspect is trying to change that. First the 300mm f2.8 hasn't been announced beyond that fact it is being built. Will there be other lens... likely.... does any other APS-C system have extra long Tele's yet? no.. why? one can easily speculate that it is because there isn't enough value in it yet.

So being as Samsung has not officially announced any new lens we don't know what is coming. We do however know they are working on a 300mm f2.8 That doesn't mean other lens aren't coming.

This board has several camps. The I want the best at no money group that should do some research, the I am going to post and tell Samsung they are doing everything wrong that should just leave and buy into another system and annoy that group. The People that Pixel Peep but only post really bad SOOC photos, that can't really be helped. Then there are those of us that are hear to help when we can, and want to hear about new, legit info, and are sick of seeing the same thread 15 times... or multiples of the same basic thread. Or the constant whining with out anything constructive to say.

Telephoto Lens' are the last group of lens that are going to be made. Because Samsung NX is most popular in... wait for it.. South Korea, where the NXxxx series judging buy it's "flagship" status over the NXxx series of cameras is most popular.. as such those lens are the ones that have been the focus.
I don't have numbers but I suspect that more NX camera were being bought in Korea than the rest of the world. (I'd like to see that change in a big way with the NX1) as such most Samsung users are likely Young Koreans between 18-35 who are using them socially.
10,16,20,30,45 all fairly fast low profile lens and the 16-50pz
The S series is not for the current Samsung customer, it is for the new Samsung Customer the customer like me that is using the NX as a flag ship camera in a pro grade manner and wants the pro grade lens.
I have actually been told that the NX1 seems really interesting...it's too bad there isn't enough pro glass or I might consider switching. (paraphrasing) 300 f2.8 comes up surprisingly often. Every time I mention that lens to someone, they say "oh I didn't realize they were getting that serious about making lens"

so you will likely see a few high end S lens come out.. (I would hope)

what I'd like to see is a 1.4x and 2x teleconverter produced by Samsung. First person to mention it was Randy a moderate forum member that has realistic expectations. The OP keeps going on.. the long tele is a what the majority of users will want... no it isn't. The majority of users want the NX500 with basic 4k to stick on video sharing sites in Korea and pancake lens for a night on the town. The TC is a comparatively cheap to produce option for Samsung that solves that issue for now...

Samsung is starting the try to change that. The NX1, the S lens and the showing of the 300mm f2.8 are statements of intent to me. The system is 5 years old and they have the lowest international market share and sales. Give them time.
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The system is 5 years old and they have the lowest international share give them time, so whats wrong with wanting them to up there game, how long has sony and fuji been in the mirrorless sector but for me they are showing more commitment in information with there lenses.

Itwould be nice if Samsung could show us a lens roadmap a tc would be nice but its not the best option.

All i want is more lenses and more options of grade type, i shoot semi professionally and i would like to go with the nx1 and s lenses but why would i invest if i dont see a proactive approach in building there system, a longer focal length lens is missing from their line up and i bet even the users in Korea would like one too.
 
Sony has been in the market about 5 or 6 years Fuji the least.


Sony and Fuji have a history of makes Lens and cameras. Samsung is the only company in the Mirrorless Market with nearly 0 previous experience in this segment. I'd like them to move faster. of course they also had a Major shake up after the Camera Division for some reason built the hideous Galaxy NX.


Since The Shake up the have re-grouped and refocused. Doig serious work on the 300mm producing the NX1 and are showing what looks to be renewed interest in taking on the top end of the market.




The Tele converters are a logical next step. the longer tele lens are also a logical next step. It isn't a Lack of lens it is a normal ad logical progression that balances profitability vs need. Long Teles are on the wrong side of that which is why Neither Fuji nor Sony have them. MFT had long teles by 2010. Both companies really bushed the systems, the glass wasn't great and the had early dominance of the market. As well as previous experience with the Four Thirds system.

There isn't a lack of Lens just a less than clear plan. The mistake here is not the Lens being put out, but lack of a clear released vision from Samsung, as of yet, as to what the next two years looks like, which may fall into the category of, they don't know they don't have a history with lens marking to give an accurate estimate, and they might have figured that out with previous "leaks" that fell short.

basically Samsung doesn't want to hear incredulous self entitled end users whine if an unofficial internal road map changes or is adjusted.

They needed to make a statement last year about what the NX was going to be... they have. Expect a mix on consumer Korea centric and prosumer centric lens over the next two years. I would be surprised (not overly) to see many Western European or American marketed consumer lens.

you I would be surprised if a 70-300 or 100-300 is in there. Though Keep in mind that a good FF 80-400 or 150-450 f4.5-5.6 are all over 2 grand. you already have a full frame 300mm reach.
 
thoth22 said:
I had to check to see if I went back into the nex forum, apparently lack of decently priced lenses is not limited to Sony.
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I wouldn't be terribly surprised if one got released, a 50-300 that is, since I'm fairly sure a prototype existed. On the other hand though, we have reason to believe that the 300 f/2.8 has been chilling in the lab for ages since we've seen it in those now old videos about their lens design process. I think what they're choosing to release has more to do with business decisions (getting factories online, will people buy it, etc...) than with what is finished or nearly finished in terms of research and development.
 
ttbek said:
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if one got released, a 50-300 that is, since I'm fairly sure a prototype existed. On the other hand though, we have reason to believe that the 300 f/2.8 has been chilling in the lab for ages since we've seen it in those now old videos about their lens design process. I think what they're choosing to release has more to do with business decisions (getting factories online, will people buy it, etc...) than with what is finished or nearly finished in terms of research and development.
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This is my point threads like this are started by people that feel self entitled.. how dare Samsung not release X lens... I was annoyed at no 50-150 or 16-50 (70-200, 24-70) lens because those are standard high quality lens... and for my needs I needed to see that Samsung was working to be the system I wanted.



I was however willing to switch systems if need be.. I didn't however think Samsung owed me anything.



Samsung will make the decisions it feels it needs to make. Right now they seem to be working on S lens.. but there is no road map, so we really have no idea. "Sources" on this board are often off (the NX1 was going to be a rangefinder for example... oh there is another group that feels they are owed something)




This thread could have been.. Teles, when are they coming... in stead of Lack of Lens? I can remember early on I was trying to figure the system out and trying to get first hand experience. And I talked to a Samsung Rep at the Exposure show in Toronto.. and I can't remember the question but I was told "don't listen to DPreview forum half the time they don't know what they are talking about at all" Part of the reason I got a little more active here was to call out that stuff It runs rampant here.
 
Kaziklu said:
ttbek said:
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if one got released, a 50-300 that is, since I'm fairly sure a prototype existed. On the other hand though, we have reason to believe that the 300 f/2.8 has been chilling in the lab for ages since we've seen it in those now old videos about their lens design process. I think what they're choosing to release has more to do with business decisions (getting factories online, will people buy it, etc...) than with what is finished or nearly finished in terms of research and development.
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This is my point threads like this are started by people that feel self entitled.. how dare Samsung not release X lens... I was annoyed at no 50-150 or 16-50 (70-200, 24-70) lens because those are standard high quality lens... and for my needs I needed to see that Samsung was working to be the system I wanted.

I was however willing to switch systems if need be.. I didn't however think Samsung owed me anything.

Samsung will make the decisions it feels it needs to make. Right now they seem to be working on S lens.. but there is no road map, so we really have no idea. "Sources" on this board are often off (the NX1 was going to be a rangefinder for example... oh there is another group that feels they are owed something)

This thread could have been.. Teles, when are they coming... in stead of Lack of Lens? I can remember early on I was trying to figure the system out and trying to get first hand experience. And I talked to a Samsung Rep at the Exposure show in Toronto.. and I can't remember the question but I was told "don't listen to DPreview forum half the time they don't know what they are talking about at all" Part of the reason I got a little more active here was to call out that stuff It runs rampant here.
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Do i feel self entitled? Hmm, weather you like it or not i bought into samsung and i like the camera and i like some of the lenses, do i think Samsung should produce more lenses Yes i do, do they owe it to me, No, but if they ignore what is standard requirements they will lose customers, i dont want this to happen thats why i ask if others feel deflated in their roadmap. I would loveto purchase the nx1 and the 2 s lenses but that is still not enough coverage for me, also i would like to have and see some assurances from samsung before i purchase heavily into this system.

That to me seems sensible enough to ask, so if Samsung do not want to listen because half the people on this forum don't know what they are talking about, then thats upto them i suppose. I would worry if that is indeed the case.
 
mrggt said:
Do i feel self entitled? Hmm, weather you like it or not i bought into samsung and i like the camera and i like some of the lenses, do i think Samsung should produce more lenses Yes i do, do they owe it to me, No, but if they ignore what is standard requirements they will lose customers, i dont want this to happen thats why i ask if others feel deflated in their roadmap. I would loveto purchase the nx1 and the 2 s lenses but that is still not enough coverage for me, also i would like to have and see some assurances from samsung before i purchase heavily into this system.

That to me seems sensible enough to ask, so if Samsung do not want to listen because half the people on this forum don't know what they are talking about, then thats upto them i suppose. I would worry if that is indeed the case.
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So you bought into a system you know doesn't have what you want.. you aren't buying the best gear to use that... and you are saying they are loosing customers if they don't do what you say.



No if they do what you say they would be loosing money. Which is why no Mirrorless APS-C system has a 300mm lens.


Also... there is no roadmap... you can't be unhappy with something that isn't public knowledge and fluid.



You can be upset that the road map doesn't exists. But you are talking about being upset that the least profitable lens aren't available from a system that has the smallest world market share, whose largest customers won't be interest in it. You can pretend you don't feel you are owed anything, but everything you say in this thread shows you do.




everything you say is the words of someone who is self entitled. You want a long lens there for everyone must want one... no... I would like one.. I also understand it will be the last set of lens to come out.. they are expensive to make at quality and are fairly light volume. And when I'm willing to bet 50% of your customers are taking party shots at the bar, or family photos in places a 300mm lens is not a help... it is smaller still.



Focal lengths beyond the FF 300mm are fairly niche. As of now I'm done with this.. I haven't seen Taffy around much and I don't want to leave more work for him.
 
Kaziklu said:
mrggt said:
Do i feel self entitled? Hmm, weather you like it or not i bought into samsung and i like the camera and i like some of the lenses, do i think Samsung should produce more lenses Yes i do, do they owe it to me, No, but if they ignore what is standard requirements they will lose customers, i dont want this to happen thats why i ask if others feel deflated in their roadmap. I would loveto purchase the nx1 and the 2 s lenses but that is still not enough coverage for me, also i would like to have and see some assurances from samsung before i purchase heavily into this system.

That to me seems sensible enough to ask, so if Samsung do not want to listen because half the people on this forum don't know what they are talking about, then thats upto them i suppose. I would worry if that is indeed the case.
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So you bought into a system you know doesn't have what you want.. you aren't buying the best gear to use that... and you are saying they are loosing customers if they don't do what you say.

No if they do what you say they would be loosing money. Which is why no Mirrorless APS-C system has a 300mm lens.
Also... there is no roadmap... you can't be unhappy with something that isn't public knowledge and fluid.

You can be upset that the road map doesn't exists. But you are talking about being upset that the least profitable lens aren't available from a system that has the smallest world market share, whose largest customers won't be interest in it. You can pretend you don't feel you are owed anything, but everything you say in this thread shows you do.

everything you say is the words of someone who is self entitled. You want a long lens there for everyone must want one... no... I would like one.. I also understand it will be the last set of lens to come out.. they are expensive to make at quality and are fairly light volume. And when I'm willing to bet 50% of your customers are taking party shots at the bar, or family photos in places a 300mm lens is not a help... it is smaller still.

Focal lengths beyond the FF 300mm are fairly niche. As of now I'm done with this.. I haven't seen Taffy around much and I don't want to leave more work for him.
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Well to date olympus and panny have mirrorless 300mmlenses

and why should i not be unhappy with no roadmap makes sense to have some idea of future lenses on the production line dont you think

Sure we all dont agree with everything people say but i certainly don't think theres a need for someone to threaten me for having an opinion
 
Something around 70-200 f/4 OIS would be nice or 60-250 f/4 OIS.
 
mrggt said:
Well to date olympus and panny have mirrorless 300mmlenses

and why should i not be unhappy with no roadmap makes sense to have some idea of future lenses on the production line dont you think

Sure we all dont agree with everything people say but i certainly don't think theres a need for someone to threaten me for having an opinion
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I think you need to look up what a threat is.


I just said your opinion is nothing more than Self Entitled Drivel and isn't worth much beyond that.

Would I like a Lens Road Map sure... of course there isn't one.. and they are under no obligation to provide one... and instead of saying you'd like to see this or that. Or Providing a construction discussion on the lens we'd all like to see..


Instead you used Annoyed, Disappointed... you stated you are annoyed at how they do business that some how it slowed down in the 6 months since the Announced a major Camera a new Lens, Showed off a refined set of prototypes, and have since announced a new Camera.


This isn't a slow down this is normal business.


You finished it off saying who you feel Samsung needs to up it's game.


Everything about that post is Self Entitlement. It reads like a child wanting Ice Cream for Dinner because they had Ice Cream for Desert two days ago.

As such Ignored... I thankfully don't have to see this silly thread any more.
 
The word is "lose". You lose customers, you lose your keys, and you lose your mind. "Loose" is for screws, morals, and lips. Please refer to this post should you get confused again. And feel free to copy/paste my note in other threads should you see others make the same mistake. And you will; it happens far too often.
 
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