No more hope for a high-end, fully-featured "rangefinder"-format camera?

I use the 50-200 2.8-3.5, 40-150 f2.8 and 100-300. I simply find the SLR form factor is much nicer to work with than the VF on the side. It's just a matter of preference I guess.
Yeah, understood. I had the G1 and the GH2, and they were definitely superior for handling. However, the GX7 hasn't been that bad for a two-handed grip style:
  • The grip on the front is "held" by the middle and fourth finger on the right hand, with the tip of the middle finger at the top of the grip, the middle finger knuckle (viewed from the back side of the camera) sticking out slightly above the mode dial, and the tip of the fourth finger at the bottom of the grip. The pointer finger rests on the shutter button, and the pinky curls ever so slightly under the camera at the base of the grip.
  • The left hand supports the lens. Grip differs a bit from lens to lens.
This seems to give a pretty solid shooting platform, even if it is admittedly not as comfortable as with a SLR-style grip.
 
Nice concept. I'll take one of the levitating ones please - in red.
 
I'm the OP and for *me* a MFT camera system should be, as I said, modular in design. That means no built-in flash, no built-in EVF and a plethora of dedicated, physical controls on a compact body. (Touch-screen's great, though.)

But I'm clearly in the minority, so ignore me please ... And thanks for the enlightening discussion.

Marc
 
I'm the OP and for *me* a MFT camera system should be, as I said, modular in design. That means no built-in flash, no built-in EVF and a plethora of dedicated, physical controls on a compact body. (Touch-screen's great, though.)

But I'm clearly in the minority, so ignore me please ... And thanks for the enlightening discussion.

Marc
I have to ignore you because I can't imagine all this plethora on compact body.
 
Well, you told me I have a plethora. And I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a plethora.

Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?
 
Well, you told me I have a plethora. And I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a plethora.

Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?
Firstly, I did not tell you anything.

Secondly, I know the meaning of the word 'plethora'

Thirdly, you're forgiven

Forthly, I do not know who El Guapo is. I can attribute it to cultural differences.

Fifthly, I do have good education that is not the sin,

And, finally, I'm not looking to take out anything from you. I'm self sufficient and humble person
 
Sorry, I meant nothing personally. Just a quote from an old movie. It's the first thing that popped into my mind when I read "plethora."
 
Sorry, I meant nothing personally. Just a quote from an old movie. It's the first thing that popped into my mind when I read "plethora."
This is exactly what happened to me when I've read about "plethora of dedicated, physical controls on a compact body"
 
I'm the OP and for *me* a MFT camera system should be, as I said, modular in design. That means no built-in flash, no built-in EVF and a plethora of dedicated, physical controls on a compact body. (Touch-screen's great, though.)

But I'm clearly in the minority, so ignore me please ... And thanks for the enlightening discussion.

Marc
The E-PL7 meets your criteria pretty well. :-)

G
 
Well, you told me I have a plethora. And I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a plethora.

Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?
Gosh, do you really not have a dictionary available, ANYWHERE?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plethora?s=t

He said the camera should have a plethora of manual controls, meaning "a lat".

G
 
Well, you told me I have a plethora. And I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a plethora.

Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?
Gosh, do you really not have a dictionary available, ANYWHERE?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plethora?s=t

He said the camera should have a plethora of manual controls, meaning "a lat".

G
Here:

Educate yourselves. It's a comedy classic.
 
Little known facts: the "plethora unit" can be converted to both passels and metric buttloads. You could look it up.

Cheers,

Dr. Science
 
Well, you told me I have a plethora. And I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a plethora.

Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?
Gosh, do you really not have a dictionary available, ANYWHERE?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plethora?s=t

He said the camera should have a plethora of manual controls, meaning "a lat".

G
Here:

Educate yourselves. It's a comedy classic.
Oooh ooh! and this too!
 
Back in the Iron Age, camera enthusiasts who had no lives -- like me -- spent lots of hours on early internet forums called "usenet newsgroups." There were no graphics (except those we'd independently download & decrypt), but discussions were every bit as cutthroat as those on DPR are today.

I bring this up because those of us with Nikon F2's and Canon F-1's and other mechanical gear used to lurk and listen in the 1980's with huge amusement as newbies would clamor in the never ending pursuit of the latest and greatest in electronic gadgetry: OTF metering, eye-controlled auto-focusing, 16,000/second shutter speeds (with film!), et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum.

(Not incidentally, these new electronic cameras were invariably typified by another attribute: they were largely made of plastic. But never mind ...)

Of course, now, beautiful cameras like the Nikon F3 or the F4 can be had for peanuts because, e.g., the new-fangled LCD panels they use have a tendency to "bleed" after just a few years ...

Anyway, my point is that manufacturers love adding electronic "features" accessible via a touch screen or through "stacking" upon a single physical control because it costs next to nothing to implement (and very little to reconfigure for a "brand new" model year, for that matter).

And to hell with function.

No, I personally want high grade physical controls -- perhaps not a "plethora" of them (sorry 'bout that) -- in the manner of a Fuji XT-1 or even a late Leica. (But most definetly *not* a Nikon Df.)

And I think that this is quite possible, ergonomically, without ending up with a camera the size of an Olympus EM-1 (which, to be fair, really had to be made large to usefully mount FT lenses).

Everyone I read here says that the two greatest concerns of MFT manufacturers are to keep prices up while at the same time reducing costs. That's fine by me, so long as materials and controls aren't sacrificed along the way.

However, I'm acutely aware that Olympus and Panasonic are most definitely NOT making cameras for the likes of ME ...

Thanks, Marc
 
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Back in the Iron Age, camera enthusiasts who had no lives -- like me -- spent lots of hours on early internet forums called "usenet newsgroups." There were no graphics (except those we'd independently download & decrypt), but discussions were every bit as cutthroat as those on DPR are today.
I remember "BBS" or bulletin boards!
I bring this up because those of us with Nikon F2's and Canon F-1's and other mechanical gear used to lurk and listen in the 1980's with huge amusement as newbies would clamor in the never ending pursuit of the latest and greatest in electronic gadgetry: OTF metering, eye-controlled auto-focusing, 16,000/second shutter speeds (with film!), et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum.
My first "real" camera was a Nikon F with prism finder & F-36 motor-drive. Yikes! That was a beast!
(Not incidentally, these new electronic cameras were invariably typified by another attribute: they were largely made of plastic. But never mind ...)

Of course, now, beautiful cameras like the Nikon F3 or the F4 can be had for peanuts because, e.g., the new-fangled LCD panels they use have a tendency to "bleed" after just a few years ...
Hmmm, my F-3hp didn't have a LCD. Maybe that's why, even though I don't use it, the F3hp is still a favorite that I'll never sell. (Unlike the Hasselblad SWC/M that I sold :-( to fund my Oly µ43 system.)
Anyway, my point is that manufacturers love adding electronic "features" accessible via a touch screen or through "stacking" upon a single physical control because it costs next to nothing to implement (and very little to reconfigure for a "brand new" model year, for that matter).

And to hell with function.

No, I personally want high grade physical controls -- perhaps not a "plethora" of them (sorry 'bout that) -- in the manner of a Fuji XT-1 or even a late Leica. (But most definetly *not* a Nikon Df.)
Controls - that was a main feature when I got my E-P5. That & build quality. The E-P5 has both. (IQ, too!)
And I think that this is quite possible, ergonomically, without ending up with a camera the size of an Olympus EM-1 (which, to be fair, really had to be made large to usefully mount FT lenses).

Everyone I read here says that the two greatest concerns of MFT manufacturers are to keep prices up while at the same time reducing costs. That's fine by me, so long as materials and controls aren't sacrificed along the way.

However, I'm acutely aware that Olympus and Panasonic are most definitely NOT making cameras for the likes of ME ...
They are, on the other hand, making cameras (& lenses) for me! :-)

Take care,

Frank
 
Thanks for that, Frank; I do believe you've sold me -- finally -- on the EP-5! As the weather has permitted, I've been making very early excursions around my neighborhood with my EP-3, Caldwell Speed booster and a Nikkor 105/2.5 lens. But, despite the speed of this setup, I've recently wished for better high ISO performance, given the very early hour and the fact that I usually shoot my small glass handheld and stopped-down a bit.

I've recently invested in a couple of big Nikon's -- both D700's -- but my heath is not yet sufficiently recovered to consider humping them all over creation as I did in my heyday -- but I will!

Meanwhile, I believe the Olympus E-P5 is as close as I'm going to get in terms of a 'perfect' MFT shooter.

Marc
 
E-M1 is designed for full controls. SLR was designed for full controls and wide focal length options.

E-M1 is about perfecting the layout and handling and is best that is out there for any format.
If you want range finder style, you have choices to get one. But why everything should be like that?

Fuji has its own crowd for X-T1 that wants to twiddle camera in their hands before taking a photo.
Canon and Nikon style DSLR is for looks and manufacturing, and old users habits.

The modern range finder camera has EVF, peaking and/or magnification and that's it. If you want to anticipate the moment, use a wider angle objective and crop later.

Why it is so that street photographers sound like they are the master race that needs to be followed? There are already lots of great cameras that fit to those purposes like Panasonic GM1 or GM5. Or then go and get a Leica if wanted to be purist about rangefinder.

Why we should get back to slower photography? By not just take mirror back because OVF is so awesome and the feeling of uncertain did you get the photo so frustrating?
 
Why it should be on Left? Placing it to left was technical reason because film and shutter mechanics time space and there was a need to get it out of the way. Otherwise it would be on center. No complex parallax corrections etc.

The center is best, it gives best handling and view. You can keep both eyes open and compose with either eye. The camera isn't off from your own field of view so much.it is balanced well in center. And on digital era not even display position to nose is a problem .

What I wonder is why no one has made a left hand version of their cameras, there is a 11% market out there. And many left-hand I know would buy a one such if they would have a choice. It is like just mirror body to other way around. And you can have with one model far many buying a one.
 

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