SEL1635 Flair?

nathanhw · Mar 5, 2015

Is this what others are seeing? Shot on an A7ii.

blue_skies · Mar 5, 2015

nathanhw said:
Is this what others are seeing? Shot on an A7ii.

Did you put a UV filter on it? If so, take it off.

Generally, having full daylight sun in center without stopping down will not work well.

Pushing the sun to the edge, and underexposing (then pushing foreground in post) yields this:

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Cheers,
Henry

kenscott · Mar 5, 2015

Shot at 35mm f4.0

Tristimulus · Mar 5, 2015

Some flare when shooting into the sun is normal with Zeiss lenses - have several Zeiss lenses - zoom lenses and fixed focal lenght lenses - and the all show some flare when shooting against the sun.

There are coatings that can prevent this kind of flare but I doubt we would afford it!

And to be realistisk shooting into the sun is an extreme case. Usually the remedy is to hide the sun beeing something or to avoid the sun in the image or simply to accepting the fact that even the best lenses show flare when used in worse case scenarios.

Expecting no flare whatever is simply unrealistic expectations.

blue_skies · Mar 5, 2015

Trollmannx said:
Some flare when shooting into the sun is normal with Zeiss lenses - have several Zeiss lenses - zoom lenses and fixed focal lenght lenses - and the all show some flare when shooting against the sun.

There are coatings that can prevent this kind of flare but I doubt we would afford it!

And to be realistisk shooting into the sun is an extreme case. Usually the remedy is to hide the sun beeing something or to avoid the sun in the image or simply to accepting the fact that even the best lenses show flare when used in worse case scenarios.

Expecting no flare whatever is simply unrealistic expectations.

Agree,

and hiding the sun like this?

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Cheers,
Henry

nathanhw · Mar 5, 2015

No UV filter (or any other filter) *and* yes, I was absolutely shooting in the worst way (position of sun, aperture, and letting auto exposure set the levels). I was actually trying to see how BAD I could make it -- just to understand the limits of the lens.

Based on your response, you'd "infer" or "conclude" from what you see in the image that most of the issue is "user technique" (which I FULLY agree with) rather than a substandard copy of the lens.

nathanhw · Mar 5, 2015

kenscott said:
Shot at 35mm f4.0

Thanks for the perspective.

nathanhw · Mar 5, 2015

Trollmannx said:
Some flare when shooting into the sun is normal with Zeiss lenses - have several Zeiss lenses - zoom lenses and fixed focal lenght lenses - and the all show some flare when shooting against the sun.

There are coatings that can prevent this kind of flare but I doubt we would afford it!

And to be realistisk shooting into the sun is an extreme case. Usually the remedy is to hide the sun beeing something or to avoid the sun in the image or simply to accepting the fact that even the best lenses show flare when used in worse case scenarios.

Expecting no flare whatever is simply unrealistic expectations.

Oh yes, I am not expecting miracles. In fact, the flair can have an emotional impact of its own.

I just wanted to make sure others were seeing something similar when shooting in a similar manner with this same lens.

uhligfd · Mar 5, 2015

I am a little worried here, maybe my eyes should be returned to heaven or beyond for refurbishing, too, because if I look straight into the sun, I see similar artifacts. So how could a lens avoid them?

Of course i would squint and would then see better, but for your lens this - as you say - is a drawback. So why not shut it down to f/8 or so?

Just to experiment with when you can break the lens or any toy seems just like I did in my juvenile days ... to 'test' till 'it' breaks ... and then cry to mommy .... for a new toy ...

I wonder why you wrote this up, rather than learn yourself and tell us which technique might give a pleasing image; that would have been positive and a great contribution here ... .

kenscott · Mar 5, 2015

I too was shooting INTO the sun wanting to see what the lens looked like. I had NO filter on the lens and it was new to me, the 1st time I shot with it. Flair can be a wonderful thing and will happen when getting a bright source in the shot. I find the flair VERY controlled and pleasing from this lens. While it isn't a 2.8 or as sharp as I would like, its a pretty decent lens overall small and light. At $1350 USD vs $1700 USD for the canon its 'ok'. That said, it gets the job done and is auto focus.

nathanhw · Mar 5, 2015

uhligfd said:
I am a little worried here, maybe my eyes should be returned to heaven or beyond for refurbishing, too, because if I look straight into the sun, I see similar artifacts. So how could a lens avoid them?

Of course i would squint and would then see better, but for your lens this - as you say - is a drawback. So why not shut it down to f/8 or so?

Just to experiment with when you can break the lens or any toy seems just like I did in my juvenile days ... to 'test' till 'it' breaks ... and then cry to mommy .... for a new toy ...

I wonder why you wrote this up, rather than learn yourself and tell us which technique might give a pleasing image; that would have been positive and a great contribution here ... .

Sorry if I was not clear. I was not asking how to avoid flare. That is a different topic entirely.

I was asking whether the behavior of my sample (given the challenge I was posing it) was different from those that other users have seen with theirs. And I got the answer, which is "no" -- which is great. All I wanted to determine, since flare varies from one design to the next, and from one unit to the next witihin a particular design, was whether mine (unit) was similar to others (the design) -- before the exchange period was over.

Using flare creatively, or avoiding it, is something else.

nathanhw · Mar 5, 2015

kenscott said:
I too was shooting INTO the sun wanting to see what the lens looked like. I had NO filter on the lens and it was new to me, the 1st time I shot with it. Flair can be a wonderful thing and will happen when getting a bright source in the shot. I find the flair VERY controlled and pleasing from this lens. While it isn't a 2.8 or as sharp as I would like, its a pretty decent lens overall small and light. At $1350 USD vs $1700 USD for the canon its 'ok'. That said, it gets the job done and is auto focus.

I agree 100%. Your approach, the reason for it, and you result and reaction to your result, match my own experience.

I make extensive use of the sun and other specular highlights in the frame and the artifacts that are produced by it -- and this lens will provide many interesting opportunities for that.

Tristimulus · Mar 5, 2015

No worry - this is NORMAL and you have a terrific lens at hand. No such thing as a perfect lens in this world...

nathanhw · Mar 5, 2015

Trollmannx said:
No worry - this is NORMAL and you have a terrific lens at hand. No such thing as a perfect lens in this world...

Very true, and thanks for confirming that this kind/amount/quality is typically for the 16-35.

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