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If this dress turns out to be blue&black I'm gonna quit photography
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It's not relevant what the actual color of the dress is when determining and proving *what colors are in the photo itself.*That's the other thing that's fascinating is that so many people are so sure of what they see, that they accuse people who see the other as being color blind
Note that all of the referenced websites state that it's blue & black, including one in which Adobe itself weighed in on it.
You've never seen a blue tinge to white due to color balance/shade issues?
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OK, I thought the whole point of the exercise was to figure out what color the dress is.
Sure, but I'm not seeing the rest of the image indicating that the color balance is off in a direction that would make white look blue.
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It's not relevant what the actual color of the dress is when determining and proving *what colors are in the photo itself.*That's the other thing that's fascinating is that so many people are so sure of what they see, that they accuse people who see the other as being color blind
Note that all of the referenced websites state that it's blue & black, including one in which Adobe itself weighed in on it.
You've never seen a blue tinge to white due to color balance/shade issues?
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That's the problem with this whole silly exercise. You are dealing with two separate issues. The actual color of the dress, and the actual colors shown *in the photo.* The actual colors of the dress *in the photo* have been correctly determined by most people. Those who see black and blue have some eye issues.
Why not? There are a lot of yellow elements to correct for.
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It's not relevant what the actual color of the dress is when determining and proving *what colors are in the photo itself.*That's the other thing that's fascinating is that so many people are so sure of what they see, that they accuse people who see the other as being color blind
Note that all of the referenced websites state that it's blue & black, including one in which Adobe itself weighed in on it.
You've never seen a blue tinge to white due to color balance/shade issues?
Landscapeforfun
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It's not relevant what the actual color of the dress is when determining and proving *what colors are in the photo itself.*That's the other thing that's fascinating is that so many people are so sure of what they see, that they accuse people who see the other as being color blind
Note that all of the referenced websites state that it's blue & black, including one in which Adobe itself weighed in on it.
You've never seen a blue tinge to white due to color balance/shade issues?
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... you're quitting photography. It's blue/black.
"At least we can all agree on one thing: The people who see the dress as white are utterly, completely wrong." http://www.wired.com/2015/02/science-one-agrees-color-dress/
"At least we can all agree on one thing: The people who see the dress as white are utterly, completely wrong." http://www.wired.com/2015/02/science-one-agrees-color-dress/
I thought the debate was only about the color of the dress, and it's my impression that the actual colors have not been correctly determined by most people, which is why articles have been written on BBC and the science website. Looking at some of those linked websites, it seems many people are really convinced that the dress is white and gold. Look at the subject: "If this DRESS turns out to be blue and black" ... people are debating what color the dress is, not what color the splotches in the picture are. If it's about what colors the viewer thinks are on screen, then I don't find it all that interesting; more like classic color interpretation illusions or tests.
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Right, which is clearly blue/black.But that wasn't the question posed. The question posed was simply what color is the dress *in the photo.*I think the most correct answer is overexposure blue/black with high iso shadow noise. A brown looking splotchy black is pretty common for cell phone sensors at high iso and overexposed.It's not relevant what the actual color of the dress is when determining and proving *what colors are in the photo itself.*That's the other thing that's fascinating is that so many people are so sure of what they see, that they accuse people who see the other as being color blind
Note that all of the referenced websites state that it's blue & black, including one in which Adobe itself weighed in on it.
You've never seen a blue tinge to white due to color balance/shade issues?
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It's easy to prove that you are wrong.
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The question was what color of the dress in the photo, not what is the true color.
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Not in *the photo.*
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That's just an interpretation of words ... what color is the dress in the photo ... "in the photo" specifying which dress. Why would there be an internet uproar if people couldn't agree on what color the dress was and had to actually go out and locate the dress to prove it ?
The OP wrote: "But to me it's clear at first glance that this golden colour isn't black and that bluishness comes from wrong white balance."
So he sees a golden color and is debating whether it's black, and he sees "bluishness" and is debating whether it's blue or white.
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Well it's hard to tell where your crop was from, also it shows blue/brown, certainly no white, though the brown looks closer to gold than the original. But here is a diagram showing the entire dress and the RGB values for various locations, clearly showing that it is blue/black (well blue/dirty black/brown, but certainly not white/gold)It's easy to prove that you are wrong.Right, which is clearly blue/black.But that wasn't the question posed. The question posed was simply what color is the dress *in the photo.*I think the most correct answer is overexposure blue/black with high iso shadow noise. A brown looking splotchy black is pretty common for cell phone sensors at high iso and overexposed.It's not relevant what the actual color of the dress is when determining and proving *what colors are in the photo itself.*That's the other thing that's fascinating is that so many people are so sure of what they see, that they accuse people who see the other as being color blind
Note that all of the referenced websites state that it's blue & black, including one in which Adobe itself weighed in on it.
You've never seen a blue tinge to white due to color balance/shade issues?
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The Science of Why No One Agrees on the Color of This Dress
Not since Monica Lewinsky was a White House intern has one blue dress been the source of so much consternation. (And yes, it’s blue.)
Also if you look further up I posted the xkcd link which shows it appearing both black/blue and gold/white when when the colors are identically blue/black on both sides. What matters the most is the background around you it seems.
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Photoshop says Blue and Black.
No matter how hard you try to get colors to look 'right" or 'best', someone else will see them different.
No matter how hard you try to get colors to look 'right" or 'best', someone else will see them different.
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The original image was severely underexposed. This was severely "pushed" in post processing. The blacks were never 0,0,0 or even 10,10,10; they had a slight balance toward red and green. When the levels were increased, the red and green were increase more than the blue, which "brings out" the latent gold/orange hue that was present in the blacks. The opposite happened with the blues. The main blue color of the dress was already high; nearly saturated. When the image was pushed, the blue channel quickly hit the maximum (255). The red and the green, on the other hand, continued to increase in level as the image was pushed -- while the blue stayed at 255, the R and the G got closer to it -- which means that that the original blue color is closer to neutral. there is still a visible difference; the blue level is still higher that the red and the green, but not by a lot. That accounts for the "white with a blue tinge" report by most people.Hi,
there's an ongoing debate on sharing sites whether the dress in the picture is blue with black stripes or white with gold stripes.
What seemed as a pretty simple answer to me turns out to be a thing of a raging debate. I don't pay attention to sharing sites, but I found this topic important because it reflects different perceptions of the same thing. And perception is important in photography.
I'm going to assume that I'm right and that it's a white dress with gold stripes. Are the rest of the people who claim it's blue&black daltonists or they have awful monitors?
The white balance is off. By lifting the temperature you get even more pronounced golds and whiteness. But to me it's clear at first glance that this golden colour isn't black and that bluishness comes from wrong white balance.
Here you can read the debate, so many different opinions:
http://gawker.com/what-color-is-this-goddamn-dress-1688330170
I suspect that in addition to the increase in levels, a while balance change was also made, the moved the image toward a warmer (higher K) balance, which further canceled the blues and enhance the warmer colors. the end result is that, objectively, the photo on the internet is composed a a pale blue and a dark color the leans toward the orange/gold.
Now, in addition to that, it is obvious that different people perceive that mix of colors differently. Some people really see the remaining blue in the lighter areas, and tend to cancel the warm tinge of the dark areas, and thus describe the dress using words "blue" and "black", while others see colors that they would describe as "white" and gold. I'm not a biologist so I won't attempt to explain why; and I'd emphasize that neither is "right". However, while the image was manipulated in a way to create an objective mix of color that is quite different from the actual color of the dress, different people will still perceive, and describe their perception, differently.
Interestingly, one of my coworkers unequivocally described the dress as "white and gold" when she first saw it. I demonstrated to her how I could change the white and gold image to blue and black, similar to the actual dress color, by manipulating levels and curves on my computer. When I went back to the original image, she now describes it is "definitely blue and black". In other words, perceptions, even in the same individual, can change, based on experience and, perhaps, the power of suggestion. Very interesting!
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Bimini Bob
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Agreed. To my eyes it is clearly blue and black. No hint of any white or gold.
Beachcomber Joe
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You have misinterpreted the original question. It is not what color does the dress appear to be but simply what color is the original dress. However the answer to both is the same. The image is grossly overexposed. By simply lowering the exposure slider in Lightroom by -2.0 the dress is clearly blue with black lace. Making a further minor correction to the color balance (temp -25, Tint +25) renders the dress colors very similar to the colors in the retailer's ad for the original dress. Certainly some people may have eye issues. For others the issues are clearly with the head that contains the eyes.
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