I don't understand you, Panasonic

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Really, Panasonic, I don't understand you.

Do you really consider the new F1.7 42.5mm lens your priority?

Your priority should be giving us some reasonably fast 100-400mm lens full of ED and aspherical glass!

That is where your focus should be. Not in making duplicates of lenses that are already available on the market.

Fire whoever is in charge of your lens department. Because that person has no idea what m43 users truly want.
 
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Really, Panasonic, I don't understand you.
Do you really consider the new F1.7 42.5mm lens your priority?

Your priority should be giving us some reasonably fast 100-400mm lens full of ED and aspherical glass!

That is where your focus should be. Not in making duplicates of lenses that are already available on the market.
It's not a duplicate as has already been mentioned. Panasonic prioritizes video as much as they do stills. Olympus doesn't, and their lens reflects this. The Olympus lens is useless for handheld video at the type of quality Panasonic offers. It works well for tripod video but it's a limited lens.

Due to the stills oriented nature of this forum, it's clear you're not able to see the deficiencies of the existing lens. This lens from Panasonic is not a duplicate but an upgrade. Of course, you're unable to see this because the improvements are nothing you're ever going to use. And, clearly, you're incapable of putting yourself in anyone else's shoes.

The fact of the matter is that both Olympus and Panasonic have numerous lenses that could do with similar upgrades (that Olympus will never provide).

Another fact of the matter is that due to Olympus' decision to prioritize IBIS over video, they're going to run into problems in the future due to the emergence of video as an important priority for the typical consumer.

If they can't ever figure out a way to do high end video with IBIS, they're going to be in for some hurting in the future.
Fire whoever is in charge of your lens department. Because that person has no idea what m43 users truly want.
 
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Olympus and Panasonic are competitors at the end of the day. And the 45/1.8 with no OIS drives camera buyers to Olympus as long as Panasonic don't have a more affordable offering than the 42/1.2. I bet the number 1 feedback they got from that lens is "Nice, but who's going to buy it?" And this is a response to that.
 
Or could it be that Panasonic's market research suggested that a far more affordable and video friendly version of the Nocticron might sell like hot cakes?

Stabilised and sized to suit GMs and GX7 so that discreet street shooters love it as much as portrait snappers?
 
Credit is due to Panasonic for making a reasonably priced lens as an alternative to the expensive Nocticron. I would also like faster long lenses, but in the meantime, a short telephoto (portrait) lens with fast aperture is a fine addition to the line. If it works as well as I suspect that it will, I will offload a couple of the lenses that I own in favor of the new kid on the block.
 
Public companies have a degree of democracy in their running. Buy enough Panasonic stock and you will be able to fire anyone you like.

Crying in forums would get nobody fired.

That lens, provided it meets expectations of quality, is an excellent decision. And 400mm zooms with loads of ED glass would cost a lot to do right and sell a very small amount to justify the effort.
 
Panasonic seem to be moving away from larger cameras and glass.. the new lenses will be aimed at the smaller camera range..

a moving apart between panny and oly.. oly dosnt care much about size panny quite clearly do.. from a business point of view i think panasonic are going the right way.. the market is shrinking but i see the enthusiast oly market shrinking quicker than the market panny seem to be targeting..

i would like a better M43 100-300 lens but i can see why panny are doing what they are doing.. which is basically trying to say in business and not cater for a small group of forum enthusiasts..

forum people seem to think they represent the real world.. they dont far from it..

me.. i bought an FZ1000 which does my longer zoom stuff quite well..

trog
 
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a moving apart between panny and oly.. oly dosnt care much about size panny quite clearly do.. from a business point of view i think panasonic are going the right way.. the market is shrinking but i see the enthusiast oly market shrinking quicker than the market panny seem to be targeting..
In Japan, Olympus outsells Panasonic. Moreover, Olympus is on the rise while Panasonic is going down.

http://www.43rumors.com/olympus-gains-market-share-in-japan/

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Yes..made for a broad audience, while a good long zoom is a true niche product....
 
I thought Panasonic was all about video these days. A stabilized F/1.7 lens fits perfectly with 4K ILCs, doesn't it? I would want one.
 
Really, Panasonic, I don't understand you.

Do you really consider the new F1.7 42.5mm lens your priority?

Your priority should be giving us some reasonably fast 100-400mm lens full of ED and aspherical glass!

That is where your focus should be. Not in making duplicates of lenses that are already available on the market.

Fire whoever is in charge of your lens department. Because that person has no idea what m43 users truly want.
Is it just me that always wanders when seeing these threads how one person on an internet forum knows far more about what is profitable than a multi-national company like Panasonic...

Obviously you know the market far better Panasonic will after doing their market research, have indepth knowledge of what sells and in what amounts, and what profits those return...

A new long telephoto may be the lens you personally want, but I would have to take an educated guess that Panasonic have determined they will get a better return with this lens instead, and it will fit better with their longer term plans.

I don't disagree with you about the lenses I would like to see appearing (a ~10mm prime, updated 100-300mm, etc) but I won't pretend to know more than Panasonic on the subject ;)
 
Really, Panasonic, I don't understand you.

Do you really consider the new F1.7 42.5mm lens your priority?

Your priority should be giving us some reasonably fast 100-400mm lens full of ED and aspherical glass!

That is where your focus should be. Not in making duplicates of lenses that are already available on the market.
It's not a duplicate as has already been mentioned. Panasonic prioritizes video as much as they do stills. Olympus doesn't, and their lens reflects this.
Not including IS in the lens reflects a decision to include it in the body.
The Olympus lens is useless for handheld video at the type of quality Panasonic offers. It works well for tripod video but it's a limited lens.

Due to the stills oriented nature of this forum, it's clear you're not able to see the deficiencies of the existing lens. This lens from Panasonic is not a duplicate but an upgrade. Of course, you're unable to see this because the improvements are nothing you're ever going to use.
I have no idea how you draw such conclusions. It's possible to notice differences in image and video quality even without being an expert.
And, clearly, you're incapable of putting yourself in anyone else's shoes.

The fact of the matter is that both Olympus and Panasonic have numerous lenses that could do with similar upgrades (that Olympus will never provide).

Another fact of the matter is that due to Olympus' decision to prioritize IBIS over video,
Why 'over'? the video improved with every new iteration of IBIS (maybe except for the E-P5, which was advertised as having an improved IBIS (who knows if that's correct) but AFAIK didn't have improved video). I tend to think that IBIS is prioritized higher than Video, as it's a differentiating feature for Olympus, but I wouldn't say over.
they're going to run into problems in the future due to the emergence of video as an important priority for the typical consumer.
Everything I read about the new IBIS (E-M5 ii) is very positive with respect to both stills and video. To the extent that it makes the camera more appealing for non professional consumers shooting hand-held compared to Panasonic's OIS-based offers.

I don't know why you think that improved IBIS comes at the expense of poor or limited video quality. The E-M5 had the first 5-axis IBIS and an improved video over the PEN cameras, then the E-M1, and now the E-M5 ii. So what's the basis of your claim and how do you explain the improvement in the E-M5/1/5ii?

If processing power / heat is what you have in mind then it would be nice to see some evidence. In a past interview a Panasonic representative said that the company won't invest in IBIS because it's not suitable for video. Probably there was a technological barrier at the time, but now it doesn't seem to be the case, as Olympus showed that you can get good video stabilization. I think that their codecs are not up to what Panasonic has, but that's understandable. Panasonic invested much more in Video since the beginning and it has the edge in this respect. However, the bit-rate of the E-M5 ii is fine for more users, which indicates that the processing pipeline is wide enough. Improving the codecs further, to utilize the bandwidth in a better way, doesn't necessarily mean much more processing power. And anyway, we don't really know where the limit is so I wouldn't make the claims that you make.
If they can't ever figure out a way to do high end video with IBIS, they're going to be in for some hurting in the future.
I don't think that Olympus targets high end video in any event, regardless of IBIS.
Fire whoever is in charge of your lens department. Because that person has no idea what m43 users truly want.
 
Yes..made for a broad audience, while a good long zoom is a true niche product....
Is it really? Go anywhere where DSLRs totally dominate the cameras present, eg just about any outdoor event or wildlife area and what are the dominant lenses, long tele zooms and primes. Because of what I use a camera for I appreciate that my observations maybe a bit slanted but think about it, wherever you see the most DSLRs the long lenses are dominant.

Profit comes not just from the long lens. If by giving someone that long lens they feel ready to switch to m4/3s you have the captive. However good a 40mm lens is , I don't believe many people are going to switch from a DSLR just for that lens. On the other hand there are people queuing up to switch to m4/3s if they get a good 100-300 or even better100-400. Of course if physics mean that these can't be produced at a weight that provides a genuine weight saving and a comfortable platform that switch isn't so likely to happen.
 
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Obviously you know the market far better Panasonic will after doing their market research, have indepth knowledge of what sells and in what amounts, and what profits those return...
Of couse I know better. I am a paying customer. I am always right... :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
Yes..made for a broad audience, while a good long zoom is a true niche product....
Is it really? Go anywhere where DSLRs totally dominate the cameras present, eg just about any outdoor event or wildlife area and what are the dominant lenses, long tele zooms and primes. Because of what I use a camera for I appreciate that my observations maybe a bit slanted but think about it, wherever you see the most DSLRs the long lenses are dominant.

Profit comes not just from the long lens. If by giving someone that long lens they feel ready to switch to m4/3s you have the captive. However good a 40mm lens is , I don't believe many people are going to switch from a DSLR just for that lens. On the other hand there are people queuing up to switch to m4/3s if they get a good 100-300 or even better100-400. Of course if physics mean that these can't be produced at a weight that provides a genuine weight saving and a comfortable platform that switch isn't so likely to happen.
 
Yes..made for a broad audience, while a good long zoom is a true niche product....
Is it really? Go anywhere where DSLRs totally dominate the cameras present, eg just about any outdoor event or wildlife area and what are the dominant lenses, long tele zooms and primes. Because of what I use a camera for I appreciate that my observations maybe a bit slanted but think about it, wherever you see the most DSLRs the long lenses are dominant.

Profit comes not just from the long lens. If by giving someone that long lens they feel ready to switch to m4/3s you have the captive. However good a 40mm lens is , I don't believe many people are going to switch from a DSLR just for that lens. On the other hand there are people queuing up to switch to m4/3s if they get a good 100-300 or even better100-400. Of course if physics mean that these can't be produced at a weight that provides a genuine weight saving and a comfortable platform that switch isn't so likely to happen.
 
Yes..made for a broad audience, while a good long zoom is a true niche product....
Is it really? Go anywhere where DSLRs totally dominate the cameras present, eg just about any outdoor event or wildlife area and what are the dominant lenses, long tele zooms and primes. Because of what I use a camera for I appreciate that my observations maybe a bit slanted but think about it, wherever you see the most DSLRs the long lenses are dominant.

Profit comes not just from the long lens. If by giving someone that long lens they feel ready to switch to m4/3s you have the captive. However good a 40mm lens is , I don't believe many people are going to switch from a DSLR just for that lens. On the other hand there are people queuing up to switch to m4/3s if they get a good 100-300 or even better100-400. Of course if physics mean that these can't be produced at a weight that provides a genuine weight saving and a comfortable platform that switch isn't so likely to happen.
 

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