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parallaxproblem said:
120 to 35 said:
parallaxproblem said:
120 to 35 said:
Given that the (E-mount) A-3000 now fills the entry model slot for interchangeable lens bodies, two A-mount APS-C models should really be enough if they keep the specifications at the current level and update / improve them once every two or three years.
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In this case it would become a 'Zombie' mount... with no entry-level models, no new users will be buying into A-mount and so the user-base will be left to die via normal attrition as the system 'runs-on-empty'. That's better than killing the mount directly, but is still basically just a temporary stay of execution
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Why so? There is a very affordable midrange model in A58 that costs the same as entry level Nikon etc. The A3000 udercuts the entry DSLR's. Then the A77II is said to be better than the latest competition from Canon and Nikon. In general, features that counted as advanced in the past is not standard on very affordable bodies.
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The A58 is indeed an entry model with a '5' instead of a '3' in its name (it replaced the A37 with a few upgrades, and plastic mount downgrade) but isn't it now discontinued (I can't link to the articles that state this as they are on the 'rumour' site) and the only current A-mount models are the A77II and possibly the A99 (which is also sort-of discontinued) ?

A77II does look like a nice camera (wish I could afford one). Not sure about how you rate it in the competition with Nikon and Canon as Nikon are just about to release a replacement for the D7100 and the Canon 7DII is certainly a better camera, but at a much, much greater price
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120 to 35 said:
I personally think the current incarnations of the EVF are superior overall to OVF unless you are shooting split-second-critical action shots in dim light (which might involve a delay of EVF display).
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Both types have their advantages

There is the 'slideshow' issue on high frame-rate shooting which I wasn't aware of at all but which is seemingly upsetting a certain percentage of Wildlife and Action photographers who are using the A77II

I will investigate this issue personally when I have the opportunity. Otherwise I agree that electronic EVF's have come a long way and the benefits of instant review in the VF and image magnification for accurate focus are very much appreciated. In the case of APS-C I think EVF might well be superior, but using a large optical OVF on a FF body (like in my A900) is certainly also a pleasant experience (as it was back in 35mm SLR days!)
 
I find this new A7II a very interesting alternative to my beloved A850 because it is much smaller, has IBIS and unlike the A850 has video, probably very good video. On the other hand, I still prefer the OVF, particularly since I wear glasses and the EVF doesn't quickly turn on (at least that was my experience with the A7).
 
tqlla said:
parallaxproblem said:
120 to 35 said:
parallaxproblem said:
120 to 35 said:
Given that the (E-mount) A-3000 now fills the entry model slot for interchangeable lens bodies, two A-mount APS-C models should really be enough if they keep the specifications at the current level and update / improve them once every two or three years.
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In this case it would become a 'Zombie' mount... with no entry-level models, no new users will be buying into A-mount and so the user-base will be left to die via normal attrition as the system 'runs-on-empty'. That's better than killing the mount directly, but is still basically just a temporary stay of execution
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Why so? There is a very affordable midrange model in A58 that costs the same as entry level Nikon etc. The A3000 udercuts the entry DSLR's. Then the A77II is said to be better than the latest competition from Canon and Nikon. In general, features that counted as advanced in the past is not standard on very affordable bodies.
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The A58 is indeed an entry model with a '5' instead of a '3' in its name (it replaced the A37 with a few upgrades, and plastic mount downgrade) but isn't it now discontinued (I can't link to the articles that state this as they are on the 'rumour' site) and the only current A-mount models are the A77II and possibly the A99 (which is also sort-of discontinued) ?

A77II does look like a nice camera (wish I could afford one). Not sure about how you rate it in the competition with Nikon and Canon as Nikon are just about to release a replacement for the D7100 and the Canon 7DII is certainly a better camera, but at a much, much greater price
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parallaxproblem said:
A77II does look like a nice camera (wish I could afford one). Not sure about how you rate it in the competition with Nikon and Canon as Nikon are just about to release a replacement for the D7100 and the Canon 7DII is certainly a better camera, but at a much, much greater price
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I admit to carrying a torch for the entire SLT line (IBIS, EVF, A-Mount) but how is the 7DII certainly better? I'd say it depends a lot on need and use.

A77II pluses:
  • IBIS
  • SLT = small light loss but mirrorless type EVF and LV performance
  • Cheaper
  • Minolta AF, Sony and other makers A-Mount legacy lenses (all stabilized)
  • +4MP resolution advantage
  • LCD has >200K pixels
  • EVF > OVF for most purposes IME
  • 12fps vs 10fps
  • WiFi connectivity
  • Lighter - 647g vs. 910g
  • Full LCD articulation vs. fixed
7DM2 pluses:
  • Better battery life
  • Much bigger assortment of modern native lenses
  • USB 3.0
  • SD + CF memory card slots
  • Better buffer (?)
  • Better per pixel high ISO, but A77 makes up w/ IBIS and +4MP
I'd say if you have Canon lenses the A77II doesn't offer a massive upgrade, but still - I'd take that Sony over the 7D any day just based on this somewhat simplified list, alone.
 
parallaxproblem said:
The AF on the 7DII will cream the A77II, and that is the core issue as both are really targetted as 'Action' cameras (the reach of APS-C gives it an advantage in this area over FF)
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The APS-C advantage is basically portability and cost. For a professional, FF is still the chosen standard for long range sports photography. http://www.slrlounge.com/school/cropped-sensor-vs-full-frame-sensor-tips-in-2/

"...the additional focal length and low cost of the (APS-C) DSLR are great advantages. But, for a professional, you will still get the best overall quality by having a full frame DSLR paired with a longer telephoto lens."
 
zuikokiuz said:
Potemkin_Photo said:
Maybe SONY needs to partner up with Samsung to get some of that NX1 tech. Slap about 5 processors into this new a77 II, make it track 240 objects per second and blasto you've got class leading AF and IBIS. Then others will be truly doomed!
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i think sony will never do that again( partner with samsung)

the last time they partner with samsung( on LCD tv), they practically advertised for samsung( look, sony and samsung are sharing technology, so buying samsung is like buying sony technology) , and then unable to compete with them after that.
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They'll be fine. There needs to be some sacrifice for my ultimate camera.Let's have another shotgun marriage!
 
Potemkin_Photo said:
zuikokiuz said:
Potemkin_Photo said:
Maybe SONY needs to partner up with Samsung to get some of that NX1 tech. Slap about 5 processors into this new a77 II, make it track 240 objects per second and blasto you've got class leading AF and IBIS. Then others will be truly doomed!
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i think sony will never do that again( partner with samsung)

the last time they partner with samsung( on LCD tv), they practically advertised for samsung( look, sony and samsung are sharing technology, so buying samsung is like buying sony technology) , and then unable to compete with them after that.
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They'll be fine. There needs to be some sacrifice for my ultimate camera.Let's have another shotgun marriage!
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After Samsung buried Sony in the flat screen TV market, and cellular division, I don't know. But I do hope the upcoming new 1.5 Sony sensor finds it way to the Galaxy phones in the future.
 
Maybe wait another 2 years then. Most of us already at least a couple bodies and some good lenses to pass the time with.
 
pixelpushing said:
parallaxproblem said:
A77II does look like a nice camera (wish I could afford one). Not sure about how you rate it in the competition with Nikon and Canon as Nikon are just about to release a replacement for the D7100 and the Canon 7DII is certainly a better camera, but at a much, much greater price
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I admit to carrying a torch for the entire SLT line (IBIS, EVF, A-Mount) but how is the 7DII certainly better? I'd say it depends a lot on need and use.

A77II pluses:
  • IBIS
  • SLT = small light loss but mirrorless type EVF and LV performance
  • Cheaper
  • Minolta AF, Sony and other makers A-Mount legacy lenses (all stabilized)
  • +4MP resolution advantage
  • LCD has >200K pixels
  • EVF > OVF for most purposes IME
  • 12fps vs 10fps
  • WiFi connectivity
  • Lighter - 647g vs. 910g
  • Full LCD articulation vs. fixed
7DM2 pluses:
  • Better battery life
  • Much bigger assortment of modern native lenses
  • USB 3.0
  • SD + CF memory card slots
  • Better buffer (?)
  • Better per pixel high ISO, but A77 makes up w/ IBIS and +4MP
I'd say if you have Canon lenses the A77II doesn't offer a massive upgrade, but still - I'd take that Sony over the 7D any day just based on this somewhat simplified list, alone.
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So i know these threads are a bit old but was wondering if anyone could help me out.

So I have a Canon t2i (since it came out in 09) and my lenses are:

50mm f1.8

85mm f1.8

24-l05L f4

55-250 - giving me issues

I shoot all sorts of stuff.. please look through my flickr account and you will see. You have to understand I outgrew my t2i and I also lost interest in the hobby for a bit so you will see MANY cell pics.

just look for sports mainly MMA, Soccer, night Deck hockey and they are from my t2i

link - https://www.flickr.com/photos/56197228@N05/

so this reply by pixelpushing caught me as this is my delema right now. I am looking at both of these cameras. now yes I have Canon lenses but would sell of all of my canon gear if I went sony. However I have waited a long time for the 7dm2

My choices are

Canon 7dm2 / grip / Tamron 70-200 2.8 VC ($3k)

or

Sony A77ii / grip / Tamron 70-200 2.8 / Sigma 16-35 1.8 / Sigma 24-105 ($4k)

so if I stay canon I have a few lenses and still need a 70-200 but if I go Sony I would sell of all of my gear to get the other lenses and having IBIS would be nice with the Sigma 16-35.

I am stuck on what to do as Sony looks better on paper but then when I hear people say EVF vs OVF I have no clue on if EVF will be a quick learn or a total PITA. I read one guy saying the Sony trumped the canon everywhere in performance,,cost, everything but when it comes down to it sometimes the EVF requires more thinking and work and sometimes he doesnt want to go through all that.

I just know I outgrew what the T2i can do for me as there are so many advanced features missing like tracking. I just use center dot, spot and set camera.

well that is enough for now so will wait to hear back.

Thanks!
 
TeleFragger said:
So i know these threads are a bit old but was wondering if anyone could help me out.

So I have a Canon t2i (since it came out in 09) and my lenses are:

50mm f1.8

85mm f1.8

24-l05L f4

55-250 - giving me issues

I shoot all sorts of stuff.. please look through my flickr account and you will see. You have to understand I outgrew my t2i and I also lost interest in the hobby for a bit so you will see MANY cell pics.

just look for sports mainly MMA, Soccer, night Deck hockey and they are from my t2i

link - https://www.flickr.com/photos/56197228@N05/

so this reply by pixelpushing caught me as this is my delema right now. I am looking at both of these cameras. now yes I have Canon lenses but would sell of all of my canon gear if I went sony. However I have waited a long time for the 7dm2

My choices are

Canon 7dm2 / grip / Tamron 70-200 2.8 VC ($3k)

or

Sony A77ii / grip / Tamron 70-200 2.8 / Sigma 16-35 1.8 / Sigma 24-105 ($4k)

so if I stay canon I have a few lenses and still need a 70-200 but if I go Sony I would sell of all of my gear to get the other lenses and having IBIS would be nice with the Sigma 16-35.

I am stuck on what to do as Sony looks better on paper but then when I hear people say EVF vs OVF I have no clue on if EVF will be a quick learn or a total PITA. I read one guy saying the Sony trumped the canon everywhere in performance,,cost, everything but when it comes down to it sometimes the EVF requires more thinking and work and sometimes he doesnt want to go through all that.

I just know I outgrew what the T2i can do for me as there are so many advanced features missing like tracking. I just use center dot, spot and set camera.

well that is enough for now so will wait to hear back.

Thanks!
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trolls in SAR said A mount is dead.....
 
TeleFragger said:
I am stuck on what to do as Sony looks better on paper but then when I hear people say EVF vs OVF I have no clue on if EVF will be a quick learn or a total PITA. I read one guy saying the Sony trumped the canon everywhere in performance,,cost, everything but when it comes down to it sometimes the EVF requires more thinking and work and sometimes he doesnt want to go through all that.
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I miss OVF as much as my VHS tapes.
 
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