Screen blackout worse on M3 than M2!

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There is no screen blackout at all on M2 using touch shutter!

I hope the M3 will be improved from prototype to production model, but I doubt it.

PhotoKhan, something for you to look out for?
 
...actually devastating IFF this turns out true :(

jpr2
 
Yes, I am thinking of changing my Amazon.jp order from M3 to M2!
 
I looked into the viewfinder blackout time on the M2 as I very nearly upgraded because the slow blackout time on the M1 made me sellit. Do a search on the vf blackout time on the M2 - it appears to be very quick, but it isn't, it just shows the image taken and freezes it onscreen for almost the same amount of time as the M1's screen is black. Try and find videos on the M2 where something is moving in the frame when a photo is taken.

The M3 video by comparison looks much better.
 
OK, I see what you mean. Shot to shot time seems slightly quicker with M3 but it's difficult to tell for sure with these clips. I wonder why Canon didn't freeze the view like with M2.
 
OK, I see what you mean. Shot to shot time seems slightly quicker with M3 but it's difficult to tell for sure with these clips. I wonder why Canon didn't freeze the view like with M2.
It looks like the M3 does freeze the view but for a shorter time than the M2.
 
...was able to get rid of the problem satisfactorily?

Supposedly there is an option to switch OFF the display of reviewing on the LCD after each shot (which in theory should allow a substantial speed up), but is it sufficient - if working at all?

jpr2
 
...was able to get rid of the problem satisfactorily?

Supposedly there is an option to switch OFF the display of reviewing on the LCD after each shot (which in theory should allow a substantial speed up), but is it sufficient - if working at all?
I suppose that depends on your use. I personally have not had a problem with the between shots time on my M after turning off capture review, and others have proven that the M2 has even less time between shots so I would imagine in actual usage the M3 should be fine.
 
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There is no screen blackout at all on M2 using touch shutter!

I hope the M3 will be improved from prototype to production model, but I doubt it.

PhotoKhan, something for you to look out for?
screen blackout depends on a few factors:

your image review / preview settings. continuous versus single shot mode, and the speed of the SD card.

with a slow SD card in an M .. you can get an atrociously long black out time.

also this is with touch shutter - which is usually a non issue for screen blackout - how many times in a second are you touching the screen to get the next shot anyways?

On that video, the M is around 4-5 times longer, and it looks like the M2 is around 1 second, making the M3 around twice as fast to recover from a single shot touch shutter from the M2, and 4 or so times faster than the M.

However with settings changes, my blackout goes down to .5 seconds, and I believe the M2 shows a corresponding adjustment as well - but probably not as dramatic.
 
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...was able to get rid of the problem satisfactorily?
sure. I have no problems with it
Supposedly there is an option to switch OFF the display of reviewing on the LCD after each shot (which in theory should allow a substantial speed up), but is it sufficient - if working at all?
works in the M.
 
Yup, I agree that M3 appear to have worst lcd blackout.
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There is no screen blackout at all on M2 using touch shutter!

I hope the M3 will be improved from prototype to production model, but I doubt it.

PhotoKhan, something for you to look out for?
 
...actually devastating IFF this turns out true :(

jpr2
Devastating? Really? Earthquakes are devastating, this is a minor inconvenience
depends on what one seeks & plans - IFF this is as bad as it looks like for the moment (sure, needs confirmation), then such a bad blackouts negate about all what I'd want from a MILC:
  • a lag-less performance;
  • and a good tracking abilities with at least passable AF'ing speed+accuracy for fast, dynamic action shooting;
  • or in other words - an excellent resposivity for non-static scenarios :(
whether or not such a bad blackout will also turn out catastrophic to C's plans to conquer certain markets, and to gain a dominant position there is of course much more complex, but...

...a failure to achieve them might indeed turn out to be devastating for career prospects of a CEO or two :P

jpr2
 
...actually devastating IFF this turns out true :(

jpr2
Devastating? Really? Earthquakes are devastating, this is a minor inconvenience
depends on what one seeks & plans - IFF this is as bad as it looks like for the moment (sure, needs confirmation), then such a bad blackouts negate about all what I'd want from a MILC:
  • a lag-less performance;
  • and a good tracking abilities with at least passable AF'ing speed+accuracy for fast, dynamic action shooting;
  • or in other words - an excellent resposivity for non-static scenarios :(
whether or not such a bad blackout will also turn out catastrophic to C's plans to conquer certain markets, and to gain a dominant position there is of course much more complex,
the M has far worse "standard" blackout - have you ever used an M?

you're using single shot touch shutter for fast moving AI servo scenarios?

but...

...a failure to achieve them might indeed turn out to be devastating for career prospects of a CEO or two :P
not really.

mountion <> molehill.
 
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What is this blackout you all speak of? Just tap the shutter button & the camera is instantly ready to shoot again. Well, that seems to be how my M works
 
screen blackout depends on a few factors:

your image review / preview settings. continuous versus single shot mode, and the speed of the SD card.

with a slow SD card in an M .. you can get an atrociously long black out time.

also this is with touch shutter - which is usually a non issue for screen blackout - how many times in a second are you touching the screen to get the next shot anyways?

On that video, the M is around 4-5 times longer, and it looks like the M2 is around 1 second, making the M3 around twice as fast to recover from a single shot touch shutter from the M2, and 4 or so times faster than the M.

However with settings changes, my blackout goes down to .5 seconds, and I believe the M2 shows a corresponding adjustment as well - but probably not as dramatic.
so, lets assume the best case scenario:
  • a quickest SD card that M3 can accept and to utilize at its max. ability;
  • the capture review turned off;
  • and of course no video - I do not use video anyway, so a pure STILL photography;
  • also, with EVF mounted and the LCD switched off, so no touch screen either to mess up my UI;
now - and this part is perhaps in a direct opposition to how Canon (c.f. the recent interview in Imaging Resources with their top brass) positions the Eos-M series: as a lowest rung in capabilities, below even the Rebels - I'd like to get M3 climb to a topmost of what it can do for a continuous, fast, dynamic action shooting:
  • high FPS rate,
  • continuous tracking of a target that moves at or recedes from the camera;
  • and lets be lenient here, so... in a prefect light (we can always see how it'd fare in low light & high ISO scenes later on :) );
So, the vital questions are as follows, taking in all above boundary conditions: [1] can it be done at all, and if so then [2] can it be done with a reasonably high keepers ratio using a fast, bright EF prime wide open - say, the EF 135/2L ???

jpr2

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screen blackout depends on a few factors:

your image review / preview settings. continuous versus single shot mode, and the speed of the SD card.

with a slow SD card in an M .. you can get an atrociously long black out time.

also this is with touch shutter - which is usually a non issue for screen blackout - how many times in a second are you touching the screen to get the next shot anyways?

On that video, the M is around 4-5 times longer, and it looks like the M2 is around 1 second, making the M3 around twice as fast to recover from a single shot touch shutter from the M2, and 4 or so times faster than the M.

However with settings changes, my blackout goes down to .5 seconds, and I believe the M2 shows a corresponding adjustment as well - but probably not as dramatic.
so, lets assume the best case scenario:
there's a video of it floating around in continuous AI servo / shutter. there is no blackout.

have you used an M?

this is really a non issue.

M's are the step in between really smartphones and DSLR's. the intent from the ergonomic aspect is as such. I suspect canon added the external EVF because their biggest competition in japan for that market has either no EVF or an external EVF (A5000/NEX-5 series and E-PL6/7). canon will most likely have the performance similar to that of a rebel - but not of a 7D Mark II.

if you walk into using an M or possibly an M3 like a DSLR you will most likely be frustrated.

while this is certainly more externally controllable than an M, most of the interface will be very smartphone centric if you want to get the most / easiest way of operating.

Most people that have had issues with the M was because they expected to be like a DSLR, instead one of the smallest APS-C MILC produced at the time.
 
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Gotta maintain those Rebel sales!

Tedolph
 

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