North Carolina State Tax Becomes a Deal Breaker!

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I live in North Carolina and have always delt with Amazon in purchasing my higher end photo items and computer equipment. Up until fairly recently, Amazon did not charge NC customers NC state tax on items but have started doing so. I want to purchase a new Sony 70-200 G lens that runs about $1500 but the tax alone on this is over $100! That hurts. I love dealing with Amazon because of thier generous return policy and prompt honest service, but now with this added on tax, it's becoming less attractive.

Does anyone out there know of another good honest vendor of photo gear that yould carry this lens but will not charge me the NC state tax?
 
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The Constitution provided a loophole that has been assaulted with illegal attempts to close it with Pretzel Logic.

Breaking the law - civil disobedience.

I pay any and all legitimate taxes.

The real hypocrites are those who are not willing to stand their ground against unjust laws.

And finally, are you claiming that you have never purchased an item online or from a catalog and was not charged sales tax? (I think the hypocrite meter is about to peg.)
I bet you also claim to be a religious person.
Irrelevant, and an unprovoked attack on those who are religious.

B&H are probably THE most honest camera sellers to be found, and they are quite religious - which is why they close their business and forego sales $$ while...
It's long overdue that mail/online order get taxed like any other business. I look forward to it taking place uniformly across America. It will eliminate an unfair advantage online retailers have over local brick and mortar stores.
If the goal is to eliminate the advantages that one type of store has over another, perhaps brick and mortar stores should be required to pay so that their online rivals can offer free shipping. We would not want brick and mortar stores to have an unfair "free delivery" advantage now, would we?
Apples and oranges. All businesses should be obligated to pay sales tax if some already are.
You don't seem to understand. Businesses are NOT paying the sales tax, the customers are. Sales taxes are levied against the purchaser, not the seller. The states force businesses to collect and remit sales tax as a condition of conducting business in the state, but the state can only do this with businesses that have established nexus in the state.
 
I live in North Carolina and have always delt with Amazon in purchasing my higher end photo items and computer equipment. Up until fairly recently, Amazon did not charge NC customers NC state tax on items but have started doing so. I want to purchase a new Sony 70-200 G lens that runs about $1500 but the tax alone on this is over $100! That hurts. I love dealing with Amazon because of thier generous return policy and prompt honest service, but now with this added on tax, it's becoming less attractive.
"If the retailer is located out-of-state and is not engaged in business in the state, the state cannot require the retailer to collect North Carolina's tax. However, some out-of-state retailers voluntarily collect the North Carolina tax as a convenience to their customers." http://www.dornc.com/faq/use.html#retailer

One of the reasons I like to shop with Amazon is that they collect the tax (and always have for me since I live in Washington State), saving me from downloading a form, filling it out, and sending a check to Seattle (where our state department of revenue is located). We don't have a state income tax, so instead of filing it with our taxes at the end of the year, we just pay after each purchase. Where I live, that $1500 lens would result in a $141 use tax, and Washington now charges use tax on the shipping cost as well as the item cost.
 
One of my daughters actually works for Amazon in Seattle as a financial analyst. They actually let her bring her dog to work with her! This might sound silly, but it actually works for Amazon. Needless to say, their employees love this, and it means they can pay less, or perhaps retain employees longer. Once you get used to certain benefits you cannot imagine not having them.
I don't see why most people would be happy to have filthy and disease carrying animals in the workplace.
You are sadly misinformed about domestic pets. Yes, there are pet owners out there that have no business caring for another living thing but the majority of them are responsible - and certainly classifying pets as 'filthy and disease carrying' speaks a great deal to your ignorance.
If a human went to the bathroom and never wiped themselves, walked around in a litter box, rarely bathed, licked their genitals and anal area, and walked around naked, rubbed their butts into carpets and furniture, then would you not consider them filthy? Most people would.
Isn't it interesting that there are almost no diseases that can transmit from dog or cat to person, yet us super hygienic people pass diseases around to each other as casually as taking a breath.

Brick and mortar stores have their own advantages, but it really is questionable whether these are truly advantages or just added costs for them:
  • salesmen can push goods (only works if they are good at it)
  • salesman can upsell (only works with customers who don't know what they want)
  • salesmen can provide useful information for customers (if they are smart)
  • customers get to handle your goods and create open box items
  • customers, especially impulse buyers, get instant gratification
The biggest advantage of a brick and mortar store is that you can actually see and handle the merchandise you are interested in. Online only stores can not overcome that very obvious and necessary advantage. Inherently you would get far more open box items with an online only store because you can't see and handle the products.
That's assuming a local B&M actually has the merchandise.
Brick and mortar stores are just as capable of ordering things, just like they did long before the Internet was created.
The problem is economy of scale. Often the internet business will have a lower price simply because they sell more units than an individual store, and some sort of deal with the shipper to bring shipping costs to practically zero, they all have the convenience of having the product shipped to your door so you don't have to drive across town, and up to now, no sales tax, at least in the USA.

Of course, that's also assuming there is one within driving distance - which there is not for most people.
So you're OK with a future where you never get to see and handle a product before you buy it?
These are the same people who complain about getting "used" stuff from Amazon because of the preponderance of try and return purchasing.
Forcing online vendors to become tax collectors for all 50 states does take away one of their advantages over brick and mortar stores. But there still are plenty of other advantages left for them that will result in all but the biggest and most successful retailers eventually closing their doors.
No, according to your arguments all brick and mortar store should disappear. It should all be online the way you are talking.
The brick and mortar camera shop is going to disappear just like the small book store, the the shoe repair shop, the neighborhood bakery, your local travel agent, and full service gas stations.

Quaint, convenient, and nice to have, but unable to compete for a wide variety of reasons.
Not just quaint and convenient, but necessary for the good of any community. Try to imagine life and communities with no local stores and everyone simply ordering their things online. That would be a miserable existence.
There are local stores & services that are always going to be needed and cannot easily be replaced by online shopping - grocery, cleaners, auto repair, clothing, to name a few.
Why would you need this things when Amazon could set up a service to offer such things?
A friend of mine brags that he hasn't set foot in a grocery store in years. His local store offers online sales and delivery.

He places an order to the store website, they take his money, pack his order and send it to his house.

His dry cleaner picks up and delivers to his office and his car dealer sends someone over to pick his car up and then drive it back to his office when it needs service.
I've tried local camera stores in the past and they always fell short either on selection or price.
Sure, because unfair online advantages have put the brick and mortar stores that used to offer the large selections out of business. Take it all to the ultimate conclusion and we would never need to leave the home for any kind of shopping. Don't you find that thought depressing?
Not sure about this, though I know where you are coming from. What we traditionally lament is the demise of the Mom and Pop stores that offered personal service, not tremendous variety. In order to get variety from small stores, they need to exist as swarms.

What I don't like are the colossus stores, the type that has -Mart in it's name. They don't offer much variety, they just offer great heaps of disposable products.

They are great for disposable product. Best prices on toilet paper, tissue and cleaning supplies are generally at the Megal-Mart. They also are the loss leaders, so buying nothing but these sorts of items from them not only nets the best price, it costs the company money.
 
Are you a native born Australian? You seem to have a lot of anger towards that country, and to have lost faith in the democratic system of government.

Just wondering...
 
One of my daughters actually works for Amazon in Seattle as a financial analyst. They actually let her bring her dog to work with her! This might sound silly, but it actually works for Amazon. Needless to say, their employees love this, and it means they can pay less, or perhaps retain employees longer. Once you get used to certain benefits you cannot imagine not having them.
I don't see why most people would be happy to have filthy and disease carrying animals in the workplace.
You are sadly misinformed about domestic pets. Yes, there are pet owners out there that have no business caring for another living thing but the majority of them are responsible - and certainly classifying pets as 'filthy and disease carrying' speaks a great deal to your ignorance.
If a human went to the bathroom and never wiped themselves, walked around in a litter box, rarely bathed, licked their genitals and anal area, and walked around naked, rubbed their butts into carpets and furniture, then would you not consider them filthy? Most people would.
Isn't it interesting that there are almost no diseases that can transmit from dog or cat to person, yet us super hygienic people pass diseases around to each other as casually as taking a breath.
He is not misinformed regarding pet disease tramsmission - domestic cats are the primary carrier, and transmitter to humans, of toxoplasmosis, a potentially deadly disease for the elderly or infirm

 
This thread really went off the rails. We went from cheating the state out of sales taxes to toxic cats.
 
This thread really went off the rails. We went from cheating the state out of sales taxes to toxic cats.
Quite true.

Where are the cat photos when we need them?
 
This thread really went off the rails. We went from cheating the state out of sales taxes to toxic cats.
Quite true.

Where are the cat photos when we need them?


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This thread really went off the rails. We went from cheating the state out of sales taxes to toxic cats.
Quite true.

Where are the cat photos when we need them?

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One of my daughters actually works for Amazon in Seattle as a financial analyst. They actually let her bring her dog to work with her! This might sound silly, but it actually works for Amazon. Needless to say, their employees love this, and it means they can pay less, or perhaps retain employees longer. Once you get used to certain benefits you cannot imagine not having them.
I don't see why most people would be happy to have filthy and disease carrying animals in the workplace.
You are sadly misinformed about domestic pets. Yes, there are pet owners out there that have no business caring for another living thing but the majority of them are responsible - and certainly classifying pets as 'filthy and disease carrying' speaks a great deal to your ignorance.
If a human went to the bathroom and never wiped themselves, walked around in a litter box, rarely bathed, licked their genitals and anal area, and walked around naked, rubbed their butts into carpets and furniture, then would you not consider them filthy? Most people would.
Isn't it interesting that there are almost no diseases that can transmit from dog or cat to person, yet us super hygienic people pass diseases around to each other as casually as taking a breath.
Exactly. Look how many people have gotten ill on a cruise ship, for example. Now there is a superbug that got started in a hospital from endoscopes. All passed from human to human.
Brick and mortar stores have their own advantages, but it really is questionable whether these are truly advantages or just added costs for them:
  • salesmen can push goods (only works if they are good at it)
  • salesman can upsell (only works with customers who don't know what they want)
  • salesmen can provide useful information for customers (if they are smart)
  • customers get to handle your goods and create open box items
  • customers, especially impulse buyers, get instant gratification
The biggest advantage of a brick and mortar store is that you can actually see and handle the merchandise you are interested in. Online only stores can not overcome that very obvious and necessary advantage. Inherently you would get far more open box items with an online only store because you can't see and handle the products.
That's assuming a local B&M actually has the merchandise.
Brick and mortar stores are just as capable of ordering things, just like they did long before the Internet was created.
The problem is economy of scale. Often the internet business will have a lower price simply because they sell more units than an individual store, and some sort of deal with the shipper to bring shipping costs to practically zero, they all have the convenience of having the product shipped to your door so you don't have to drive across town, and up to now, no sales tax, at least in the USA.
Of course, that's also assuming there is one within driving distance - which there is not for most people.
So you're OK with a future where you never get to see and handle a product before you buy it?
These are the same people who complain about getting "used" stuff from Amazon because of the preponderance of try and return purchasing.
Forcing online vendors to become tax collectors for all 50 states does take away one of their advantages over brick and mortar stores. But there still are plenty of other advantages left for them that will result in all but the biggest and most successful retailers eventually closing their doors.
No, according to your arguments all brick and mortar store should disappear. It should all be online the way you are talking.
The brick and mortar camera shop is going to disappear just like the small book store, the the shoe repair shop, the neighborhood bakery, your local travel agent, and full service gas stations.

Quaint, convenient, and nice to have, but unable to compete for a wide variety of reasons.
Not just quaint and convenient, but necessary for the good of any community. Try to imagine life and communities with no local stores and everyone simply ordering their things online. That would be a miserable existence.
There are local stores & services that are always going to be needed and cannot easily be replaced by online shopping - grocery, cleaners, auto repair, clothing, to name a few.
Why would you need this things when Amazon could set up a service to offer such things?
A friend of mine brags that he hasn't set foot in a grocery store in years. His local store offers online sales and delivery.

He places an order to the store website, they take his money, pack his order and send it to his house.

His dry cleaner picks up and delivers to his office and his car dealer sends someone over to pick his car up and then drive it back to his office when it needs service.
...and I bet b/c they're local that the business is charging him state sales tax. That should make christom happy :-)
 
One of my daughters actually works for Amazon in Seattle as a financial analyst. They actually let her bring her dog to work with her! This might sound silly, but it actually works for Amazon. Needless to say, their employees love this, and it means they can pay less, or perhaps retain employees longer. Once you get used to certain benefits you cannot imagine not having them.
I don't see why most people would be happy to have filthy and disease carrying animals in the workplace.
You are sadly misinformed about domestic pets. Yes, there are pet owners out there that have no business caring for another living thing but the majority of them are responsible - and certainly classifying pets as 'filthy and disease carrying' speaks a great deal to your ignorance.
If a human went to the bathroom and never wiped themselves, walked around in a litter box, rarely bathed, licked their genitals and anal area, and walked around naked, rubbed their butts into carpets and furniture, then would you not consider them filthy? Most people would.
Isn't it interesting that there are almost no diseases that can transmit from dog or cat to person, yet us super hygienic people pass diseases around to each other as casually as taking a breath.
He is not misinformed regarding pet disease tramsmission - domestic cats are the primary carrier, and transmitter to humans, of toxoplasmosis, a potentially deadly disease for the elderly or infirm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis
Seriously though, just how common is this compared to, say transmission of flu from person to person and more importantly the death rate from human-transmitted flu?
 
Seriously though, just how common is this compared to, say transmission of flu from person to person and more importantly the death rate from human-transmitted flu?
Because same-species disease transmission is easy. The organisms / viruses / parasites et al have evolved to specifically target a weak spot in the species' immune system and, from one individual to another, this targeted weak spot does not change. Easy transmission is assured.

Zoonotic transmission, however, is to be the most feared: if the contagion can cross the species threshold then it has to be able to either morph or apply different strategies for the different immune system weaknesses in each species target. That makes them powerful and all too often quite lethal, as toxoplasmosis, HIV, bubonic plague, malaria, rabies, plus several other diseases, proved.
 
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You consider it "dishonest" to try to save a buck as I was able to do for years because North Carolina became so greedy and started forcing Amazon to charge NC sales tax??

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You are not dishonest, but doing what you are allowed to do. I stopped using Amazon for the same reason. I like B&H better anyway. To the posters who want to pay more taxes, good for you the freeloaders are lined up in your state.
 
You consider it "dishonest" to try to save a buck as I was able to do for years because North Carolina became so greedy and started forcing Amazon to charge NC sales tax??

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You are not dishonest, but doing what you are allowed to do. I stopped using Amazon for the same reason. I like B&H better anyway. To the posters who want to pay more taxes, good for you the freeloaders are lined up in your state.
It's amazing how often, and how quickly, the "freeloader", "lazy" and "greedy" words come up in discussions of taxes nowadays. Thanks to the talking heads of, mostly, one direction of today's political landscape.

Because many people want their public services...but shouldn't necessarily have to pay their 'equal' share for them.

Me? I almost exclusively buy brick & mortar, I hate shopping by mail order. I want to touch, feel, examine and try things before I buy and (hopefully, thanks to corporate greed cutbacks) talk to a real person regarding the product before I lay down my monies on it. 2/3 of the time I've bought mail order (without being able to shop in-person first), I've been disappointed.
 
It seems that the OP doesn't seem to understand what your last sentence explained. Whether or not Amazon collects the tax and gives it to the state has no bearing on whether the tax is due, which it is.

Anyway, someone calling a $1xx tax on a lens means that he or she is probably in the wrong hobby. I happen to be visiting Seattle and am hoping a new Olympus camera that I preordered arrives before I leave in a couple of days. I'm not concerned with the roughly $160 tax I'll have to pay on it; after all, even though I don't live here I'm driving on the streets that the taxes maintain and, if in trouble, I won't mind asking the local police for help. And, when I fly out, I don't mind paying airport taxes for the Seattle, Tokyo, and Seoul airports that are included in my airfare.

But, my family dates back to well before the revolution, and my g/g/g/g/great grandfather was involved in the "riots," as the British called them, in Boston before Lexington and Concord because of what was considered unlawful and unethical taxes levied by the British - a form of which was the requirement to quarter soldiers in your house. That's a different situation than paying the local sales taxes needed for civic maintenance voted upon by elected officials.
 
or from a catalog in which they never paid sales tax. The hypocrisy of some is galling.
 
It seems that the OP doesn't seem to understand what your last sentence explained. Whether or not Amazon collects the tax and gives it to the state has no bearing on whether the tax is due, which it is.
Good point. Although there have been many different opinions voiced in this thread, I doubt if any of us want the OP to get into trouble. Hopefully he will read the web site FAQ's I provided. If he then decides to not report his internet purchases, it will at least be an informed decision.
Anyway, someone calling a $1xx tax on a lens means that he or she is probably in the wrong hobby. I happen to be visiting Seattle and am hoping a new Olympus camera that I preordered arrives before I leave in a couple of days. I'm not concerned with the roughly $160 tax I'll have to pay on it; after all, even though I don't live here I'm driving on the streets that the taxes maintain and, if in trouble, I won't mind asking the local police for help. And, when I fly out, I don't mind paying airport taxes for the Seattle, Tokyo, and Seoul airports that are included in my airfare.
A very mature and responsible attitude.

Some people on this forum have complained about state taxes going to pay for overseas wars etc., but that is not at all the case. State taxes pay for things WITHIN the state, such as roads, schools, social programs and policemen.

By the way: when I bought my 12-40 lens, I bought it at a local camera shop. I won't say I particularly enjoyed paying the state (plus city) tax at the time, but on the other hand it was nice not to have to add that $1000 to my state tax return's "internet purchases" line item at tax time.
But, my family dates back to well before the revolution, and my g/g/g/g/great grandfather was involved in the "riots," as the British called them, in Boston before Lexington and Concord because of what was considered unlawful and unethical taxes levied by the British - a form of which was the requirement to quarter soldiers in your house. That's a different situation than paying the local sales taxes needed for civic maintenance voted upon by elected officials.
Quite right. It's funny how so many people think that they are being imposed upon by being asked to pay taxes on internet purchases, yet don't give a second thought about paying tax at a gas station, liquor store, haberdashery etc.. I guess it's because the internet is a relatively new phenomenon. I can remember back in 2000 or so, a friend told me that Amazon was a good place to buy used books, since that was the major part of their business model. Now, it's probably the world's largest retailer, and sells items ranging from camera lenses to Christmas trees to devices intended to compensate for erectile dysfunction, and everything in between!
 

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