EM-5K2, better video than 4k can provide.

According to Olympus, although looking at this I tend to agree, only thing is 4k usually looks sharper than this lol.

Worth a look though and for most people this look unbelievably excellent, also it appears to have 120fps video, conformed to 25/30p! I noticed the slo-mo in the manual but it really does have it too.


Look at the DPReview 1080p frame comparison. Vesku already provided a small snippet of that. Look at the green, leafy areas especially, and how mushy and poorly detailed it is.


I don't know if the E-M5 II is any improvement over the the E-M1, but, as you can see, it doesn't even maximize 1080p quality, so it certainly could never provide true 4K quality, even with a firmware update in the future. The compression pipeline of this camera won't allow it, and 4K on this camera would never look any better than the mediocre 1080p it produces.

Sorry, but Oly should really spend some time working on video quality. I'm not really sure what the improved bitrates will accomplish here, and I doubt they would have the same effect they have on Panny cameras.
 
I don't doubt that the maximum GH4 video quality will be way better than anything E-M5 Mk II can provide, and anyone who says otherwise is a complete and utter fanboy.

But, I do think it's plausible the E-M5 Mk II might end up producing consistently better video than a GH4 in the hands of average people. And that's interesting to me because I'm an average person, not a cinematographer.
John Brawley has said as much too, the limiting factors for Oly were frame rates and codec, they fixed both and added some pro features too, cool :)
 
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After all the new E-M5 mk2 is something like 720P camera with a very good stabilization.
I've never seen a forum so lopsided in its support for one brand (namely Olympus) that they'll practically make things up to support it. People who don't shoot video at all coming out of the woodwork, left, right, and center, saying anything to sell their brand.

Prior to the E-M5 II, NO ONE here cared the slightest about video. Now that Olympus has slightly improved their game, now they're all coming out with thread after thread touting Olympus' video prowess.

When the GH2 came out, no one cared about video, even though it was a game changer. When the GH4 came out, no one cared, even though it was a game changer.

This forum is so utterly shameless, it makes me want to cry. Literally.
 
After all the new E-M5 mk2 is something like 720P camera with a very good stabilization.
I've never seen a forum so lopsided in its support for one brand (namely Olympus) that they'll practically make things up to support it. People who don't shoot video at all coming out of the woodwork, left, right, and center, saying anything to sell their brand.

Prior to the E-M5 II, NO ONE here cared the slightest about video. Now that Olympus has slightly improved their game, now they're all coming out with thread after thread touting Olympus' video prowess.

When the GH2 came out, no one cared about video, even though it was a game changer. When the GH4 came out, no one cared, even though it was a game changer.

This forum is so utterly shameless, it makes me want to cry. Literally.
Lets be generous, and call it a bit of "honeymoon period exuberance...with a touch of rose-tinted glasses", thrown in.

Give it three months, and then balanced judgements/comparisons will start becoming the norm {although probably mainly on the premier video sites/forums}.

Personally speaking, the stabilisation does look very effective, although I have viewed some video examples where it has be demonstrated in situations that are possibly not suited to its use....thereby resulting in a dizzying effect {although that could possibly only apply to my viewing of those specific scenes}.
 
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And with a500$ camcorder they could have done better for years... I am happy that olympus is acknowledging video users but looking at the new footage I find it to be terrible compared to the whole gh series. Yes it is stabilized but for heavy motion it results in a weird wobbly distortion that makes looking at it very uncomfortable for me. And the image itself is on a Canon level with to much contrast added on top.

I initially thought the omd em-5 Ii could be my next camera with it now being good at video. But I am not convinced. And higher bitrates is not the thing here. Gh2 with 24 MBit/s is already looking good.
 
After all the new E-M5 mk2 is something like 720P camera with a very good stabilization.
I've never seen a forum so lopsided in its support for one brand (namely Olympus) that they'll practically make things up to support it. People who don't shoot video at all coming out of the woodwork, left, right, and center, saying anything to sell their brand.

Prior to the E-M5 II, NO ONE here cared the slightest about video. Now that Olympus has slightly improved their game, now they're all coming out with thread after thread touting Olympus' video prowess.

When the GH2 came out, no one cared about video, even though it was a game changer. When the GH4 came out, no one cared, even though it was a game changer.

This forum is so utterly shameless, it makes me want to cry. Literally.
Lets be generous, and call it a bit of "honeymoon period exuberance...with a touch of rose-tinted glasses", thrown in.

Give it three months, and then balanced judgements/comparisons will start becoming the norm {although probably mainly on the premier video sites/forums}.

Personally speaking, the stabilisation does look very effective, although I have viewed some video examples where it has be demonstrated in situations that are possibly not suited to its use....thereby resulting in a dizzying effect {although that could possibly only apply to my viewing of those specific scenes}.
It's a shame that exuberance NEVER extends to Panasonic or any other brand except Olympus. This forum has always shamelessly promoted Olympus to the exclusion of all other brands, but it's sunk to a new low at this point.

I can't ask people to alter how they think, but, honestly, I can ask them to be less shameless about it and actually think about what they're saying before they say it.

"Better video than 4K can provide" pretty much sums up my sentiment. This is a bunch of meaningless double talk about a camera who's resolution is really no better than 720p. This is about as shameless as it gets IMO, and it does irk me a bit, if we're being totally honest.
 
As a new owner of a 49" IPS 4k display, my next buy will likely be a sub $1k pure video cam, not a camcorder but something that is only for video. For some time I have thought the LX100 would be the obvious choice, but the NX500 also looks nice. I have watched a lot of 4k video, both auto downsampled through a 1080p screen as well as on my 4k screen. In both cases, the IQ is far superior to what the EM5II offers.

It's true the IBIS is great but I already have a hand held stabilizer, and OIS lenses that I have used on multiple systems work plenty well for me. No matter how good the IBIS is I just can't overlook the difference in IQ, especially when viewing them both on a 4k screen. For pure resolving power, even the new smart phones win this one. If you plan on running a marathon holding the camera, the EM5II is definitely the one for you.

I tend to be much more careful with my movement so without 4k it's a no go.
 
As a new owner of a 49" IPS 4k display, my next buy will likely be a sub $1k pure video cam, not a camcorder but something that is only for video. For some time I have thought the LX100 would be the obvious choice, but the NX500 also looks nice. I have watched a lot of 4k video, both auto downsampled through a 1080p screen as well as on my 4k screen. In both cases, the IQ is far superior to what the EM5II offers.

It's true the IBIS is great but I already have a hand held stabilizer, and OIS lenses that I have used on multiple systems work plenty well for me. No matter how good the IBIS is I just can't overlook the difference in IQ, especially when viewing them both on a 4k screen. For pure resolving power, even the new smart phones win this one. If you plan on running a marathon holding the camera, the EM5II is definitely the one for you.

I tend to be much more careful with my movement so without 4k it's a no go.
How far are you sitting from the 4K tv?
 
As a new owner of a 49" IPS 4k display, my next buy will likely be a sub $1k pure video cam, not a camcorder but something that is only for video. For some time I have thought the LX100 would be the obvious choice, but the NX500 also looks nice. I have watched a lot of 4k video, both auto downsampled through a 1080p screen as well as on my 4k screen. In both cases, the IQ is far superior to what the EM5II offers.

It's true the IBIS is great but I already have a hand held stabilizer, and OIS lenses that I have used on multiple systems work plenty well for me. No matter how good the IBIS is I just can't overlook the difference in IQ, especially when viewing them both on a 4k screen. For pure resolving power, even the new smart phones win this one. If you plan on running a marathon holding the camera, the EM5II is definitely the one for you.

I tend to be much more careful with my movement so without 4k it's a no go.
How far are you sitting from the 4K tv?
It changes. If im watching something in 3d, I will sit back further as 3d angles are too steep to work properly in the corners if im real close. Other times like when im editing photos or enjoying detail in video, im as close as 2'. If you are suggesting that a person sitting a given distance won't notice a difference between two displays, yes im very aware of that.

If im sitting 17' from the tv, im sure I won't notice a difference between a LX100 and EM5II. But im not, im sitting close enough where using a 4k display matters, I can see the difference very clearly. This is my computer "monitor", so for all but 3d im pretty close to it. Still, as I said before, even on a 1080p screen I would see the difference.

I have spent the last year with a pretty nice 32" 1080 display and 4k on that still looked far better than the II's video. 4k just pushes that by about 3 steps more.
 
If the newest Olympus would take 4 Mpixel photos with a very good stabilization would it be better than 20Mpixel cameras? It is about the same resolution difference than Oly video vs 4k.

Why so many here talks about almost meaningless resolution differences of photos and lenses but not caring about video sharpness and motion resolution? Why a photo must be just 1 Mpixel when it starts to move?
 
As a new owner of a 49" IPS 4k display, my next buy will likely be a sub $1k pure video cam, not a camcorder but something that is only for video. For some time I have thought the LX100 would be the obvious choice, but the NX500 also looks nice. I have watched a lot of 4k video, both auto downsampled through a 1080p screen as well as on my 4k screen. In both cases, the IQ is far superior to what the EM5II offers.

It's true the IBIS is great but I already have a hand held stabilizer, and OIS lenses that I have used on multiple systems work plenty well for me. No matter how good the IBIS is I just can't overlook the difference in IQ, especially when viewing them both on a 4k screen. For pure resolving power, even the new smart phones win this one. If you plan on running a marathon holding the camera, the EM5II is definitely the one for you.

I tend to be much more careful with my movement so without 4k it's a no go.
How far are you sitting from the 4K tv?
It changes. If im watching something in 3d, I will sit back further as 3d angles are too steep to work properly in the corners if im real close. Other times like when im editing photos or enjoying detail in video, im as close as 2'. If you are suggesting that a person sitting a given distance won't notice a difference between two displays, yes im very aware of that.

If im sitting 17' from the tv, im sure I won't notice a difference between a LX100 and EM5II. But im not, im sitting close enough where using a 4k display matters, I can see the difference very clearly. This is my computer "monitor", so for all but 3d im pretty close to it. Still, as I said before, even on a 1080p screen I would see the difference.

I have spent the last year with a pretty nice 32" 1080 display and 4k on that still looked far better than the II's video. 4k just pushes that by about 3 steps more.
Wow, a 49 inch monitor, what is the rgb/argb coverage of this monitor/tv?
 
If the newest Olympus would take 4 Mpixel photos with a very good stabilization would it be better than 20Mpixel cameras? It is about the same resolution difference than Oly video vs 4k.

Why so many here talks about almost meaningless resolution differences of photos and lenses but not caring about video sharpness and motion resolution? Why a photo must be just 1 Mpixel when it starts to move?
Vesku, unless you have 70inch tv and sit within 2 meters or so of it, its pretty much impossible with the human eye to discern any difference between a hd and 4k tv screen, in fact the current crop of 4k tv with their limited frame rates and cheap manufacture may in fact look worse! People's focus is very much on skin, gradation and other factors and not necessarily sharpness! You need to be careful you dont become fixated with one particular aspect, 4k is probably/possibly the future for tv's but in the main we will be viewing upscaled content, either upscaled in real-time by the tv/devices or previous content, a-b'ing 4k vs 1080 is just an anorak hobbie of mine and yours and doesnt mean a lot to 99% of the population who will notice that your content is very static, ie primarily tripod based for current 4k cams, or more enjoyable when its fluid and stable at the same time, pans around people and faces in rela-time is actually pretty hard or impossible with a lot of 4k cams.
 
If the newest Olympus would take 4 Mpixel photos with a very good stabilization would it be better than 20Mpixel cameras? It is about the same resolution difference than Oly video vs 4k.

Why so many here talks about almost meaningless resolution differences of photos and lenses but not caring about video sharpness and motion resolution? Why a photo must be just 1 Mpixel when it starts to move?
Vesku, unless you have 70inch tv and sit within 2 meters or so of it, its pretty much impossible with the human eye to discern any difference between a hd and 4k tv screen, in fact the current crop of 4k tv with their limited frame rates and cheap manufacture may in fact look worse! People's focus is very much on skin, gradation and other factors and not necessarily sharpness! You need to be careful you dont become fixated with one particular aspect, 4k is probably/possibly the future for tv's but in the main we will be viewing upscaled content, either upscaled in real-time by the tv/devices or previous content, a-b'ing 4k vs 1080 is just an anorak hobbie of mine and yours and doesnt mean a lot to 99% of the population who will notice that your content is very static, ie primarily tripod based for current 4k cams, or more enjoyable when its fluid and stable at the same time, pans around people and faces in rela-time is actually pretty hard or impossible with a lot of 4k cams.
Why do you need more than 2 Mpixel photos if you cannot say a difference without watching very close?
 
If the newest Olympus would take 4 Mpixel photos with a very good stabilization would it be better than 20Mpixel cameras? It is about the same resolution difference than Oly video vs 4k.

Why so many here talks about almost meaningless resolution differences of photos and lenses but not caring about video sharpness and motion resolution? Why a photo must be just 1 Mpixel when it starts to move?
Vesku, unless you have 70inch tv and sit within 2 meters or so of it, its pretty much impossible with the human eye to discern any difference between a hd and 4k tv screen, in fact the current crop of 4k tv with their limited frame rates and cheap manufacture may in fact look worse! People's focus is very much on skin, gradation and other factors and not necessarily sharpness! You need to be careful you dont become fixated with one particular aspect, 4k is probably/possibly the future for tv's but in the main we will be viewing upscaled content, either upscaled in real-time by the tv/devices or previous content, a-b'ing 4k vs 1080 is just an anorak hobbie of mine and yours and doesnt mean a lot to 99% of the population who will notice that your content is very static, ie primarily tripod based for current 4k cams, or more enjoyable when its fluid and stable at the same time, pans around people and faces in rela-time is actually pretty hard or impossible with a lot of 4k cams.
Why do you need more than 2 Mpixel photos if you cannot say a difference without watching very close?
You don't, for a 66inch 4k tv an 8mp image will look better than a 4mp upsampled image at 2feet say or a 2mp image at 4 feet, or something like that. Now, we don't really need lots of res for screen or projection but for print, print eats dpi/ppi for breakfast and high-res images, well do the maths but a3/a2 images for print are hungry for your pixels, you should know this!
 
How far are you sitting from the 4K tv?
It changes. If im watching something in 3d, I will sit back further as 3d angles are too steep to work properly in the corners if im real close. Other times like when im editing photos or enjoying detail in video, im as close as 2'. If you are suggesting that a person sitting a given distance won't notice a difference between two displays, yes im very aware of that.

If im sitting 17' from the tv, im sure I won't notice a difference between a LX100 and EM5II. But im not, im sitting close enough where using a 4k display matters, I can see the difference very clearly. This is my computer "monitor", so for all but 3d im pretty close to it. Still, as I said before, even on a 1080p screen I would see the difference.

I have spent the last year with a pretty nice 32" 1080 display and 4k on that still looked far better than the II's video. 4k just pushes that by about 3 steps more.
Wow, a 49 inch monitor, what is the rgb/argb coverage of this monitor/tv?
4:4:4 10bit in 4k.
 
Downscaling can be as simple as putting your 4K footage into a 1080p timeline in the editor or running it through a video converter. It isn't necessary to grade first, in fact 4K 4:2:0 downscales to 1080 10-bit 4:4:4 because of all the extra data in the 4K file. (Check out EOSHD for confirmation.) This makes the 1080 footage that much more gradable.
Its still takes more work and takes longer to process which was my point. It also takes more computing power. Im not saying that the 4k isn't better because it is, just that many people dont want to deal with the extra hassle of the larger files, converting them for their editor etc. I know many convert the gh4 to prores before editing it which makes it into a massive file which is handled by the pc easier.

what i am saying is that for the average joe or part time short film maker that the em5 mark 2 is tempting. No need for a shoulder rig or steadicam unless you need a certain "look", and you can forgo a folow focus and such as well. Focusing by hand is no problem with the stabilization system. Just being able to cary the camera a lens and an extra battery is pretty darn tempting. Not to mention liberating if you are used to bulky stabilization gear, for evemts and festivals the em5 mark 2 looks like it would be easier and more fun to use. Thst is all.
Yes, I agree, an all in one solution is ideal and I would certainly consider the EM5II if the video quality proves to be good enough. I use GH2, GH3 and GX7 - two on tripods and one on a monopod as a roving camera. I find the monopod + OIS, with the monopod shortened to be a long "handle", provides quite effective stabilisation if I need to do moving shots. The only other supporting video equipment I use sometimes is a manual slider.

I'm quite happy with these low-tech solutions but I can certainly see that in-camera stabilisation that is really effective for video is something many people would go for. I think the fact that the Oly does not deliver 4K, when every other company (that is serious about video) is doing it, is just a reflection of the far more stringent requirements of the format.
 
How far are you sitting from the 4K tv?
It changes. If im watching something in 3d, I will sit back further as 3d angles are too steep to work properly in the corners if im real close. Other times like when im editing photos or enjoying detail in video, im as close as 2'. If you are suggesting that a person sitting a given distance won't notice a difference between two displays, yes im very aware of that.

If im sitting 17' from the tv, im sure I won't notice a difference between a LX100 and EM5II. But im not, im sitting close enough where using a 4k display matters, I can see the difference very clearly. This is my computer "monitor", so for all but 3d im pretty close to it. Still, as I said before, even on a 1080p screen I would see the difference.

I have spent the last year with a pretty nice 32" 1080 display and 4k on that still looked far better than the II's video. 4k just pushes that by about 3 steps more.
Wow, a 49 inch monitor, what is the rgb/argb coverage of this monitor/tv?
4:4:4 10bit in 4k.
Which tv are we talking about, LG?
 
Why do you need more than 2 Mpixel photos if you cannot say a difference without watching very close?
You don't, for a 66inch 4k tv an 8mp image will look better than a 4mp upsampled image at 2feet say or a 2mp image at 4 feet, or something like that. Now, we don't really need lots of res for screen or projection but for print, print eats dpi/ppi for breakfast and high-res images, well do the maths but a3/a2 images for print are hungry for your pixels, you should know this!
Lets dispel any absolute claims here. The first filter through which an experience happens is vision, each person's vision isn't necessarily the same. The term "spacial resolution" comes to mind here, it's really about at what point the pixels disappear and are no longer individually discernable. When that happens, it is technically, visually, no different than 4k or 8k or 50k. This will happen even with a 480p screen if you sit across a large room from it, the difference is that 480p screen will lose a ton of spacial resolution being so small from that distance.

So in essence, more pixels simply allows us to do either of two things: Increase the size of the screen without pushing the "event horizon" farther back, or, pulls the event horizon closer on the same size screen. So yes, there is a point (that which I refer to as the event horizon) which your eyes cannot resolve individual pixels anymore, at which point increasing the resolution (but not the size) will make no visual difference.

So the question is, for each individual person/display combo, where is the event horizon? If you are already beyond it on a 1080 screen, higher rez won't matter unless it also comes with a larger screen size which, from the same distance, will increase spacial resolution to the eye. For me, using my TV as a monitor, I sit pretty close usually. From 2-3' I could easily see pixilation on my 1080p screen. I cannot easily on 4k, even with a much larger display.

On some very thin lines I can see a slight jaggy when im about 2' away, so im right around the sweet spot of my viewing with this size (4k@49"). So the real point is, if you already can't see pixels on your lowly 1080p screen, going 4k won't make a difference unless you also plan to increase the screen size. Thing is with computer screens, people usually tend to sit pretty close to where 4k will improve the experience, and it's nice to be able to buy bigger without it just adding bigger jaggies.

Then there is more than just resolution to improve. For example the screen I bought is an IPS LED with 4:4:4 10bit color, and I have been going back through all my old photos and am just amazed at the quality. Color, sharpness, it's a huge difference. Video is also a huge improvement if it's 4k. Even if the EM5II did manage to match a 4k file on a 1080p screen, it will still get leveled when viewing on a 4k screen, and prices are dropping fast.
 

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