GR replacement rumored

now don't tell me that you're also using your Grd4 with artificial shutter clicks :)
Rondom. Well funny, you should ask that - but no. ;)

Actually, to be honest, I quite like the ersatz shutter click –I find it quite satisfying! Sometimes I use it when I'm in OVF mode. It gives the illusion of a physical event having just taken place inside the camera.
 
I would guess that it all depends on whether the GR has been profitable for Ricoh and whether they see a revised camera similar in design and features being profitable. Do any of us here even know if the GR has been profitable? I doubt it's been like the Canon Rebels in popularity. And it does appeal to a small niche of users.

The competition in the compact 'enthusiast' camera space has increased. Nothing has the feature set and the panache of the GR, but cameras like Sonys RX100 trio must be taking sales away from Ricoh.

Of course, they could add a flip up "selfie screen"; that's popular. They could make a pink version. They could put in WiFi so you can post those selfies to FaceBook, like, instantaneously.

While I really would love to se a new and improved GR, I'm afraid that we all might be at the end of the line here.
 
Not sure what the margins are like on a camera of this class but I feel like the GR was consistently sold out after it launched. And if you check B&H now, you'll have to wait 1-2 weeks to get a new one. So it feels like it should have been profitable. Though it did receive a price break at some point... I know I paid more than the 600 b&h is charging right now.

Anyway, it seems like this camera line is still a success and probably doesn't make sense to just end it if they can still make money? If there is a new version I'm sure we all could appreciate weather sealing and faster AF, especially in low light. WiFi is a luxury but I run a eyefi card in my GR and it makes transfer so much easier (because it's automatic) and if I'm traveling I can send to my iphone to upload to dropbox/flickr without needing to use the macbookpro.

Maybe pentax/ricoh will make a 35 or 45mm version and just expand the line like Sigma does with the dp's?
 
I would guess that it all depends on whether the GR has been profitable for Ricoh and whether they see a revised camera similar in design and features being profitable. Do any of us here even know if the GR has been profitable? I doubt it's been like the Canon Rebels in popularity. And it does appeal to a small niche of users.
I just have to say, I'm just a happy amateur playing around, but I do have a lot of, well, at least 10 friends who make their living from photography and every time I have showed them my GR, none of them have ever heard about it and go, what brand is this camera? When I reply "its a Ricoh", they just go "a what?" So it really seems like a camera that went under the radar for a lot of people. However, I cant imagine that the GR has been any less successful than previous GRs. This one seem to have gathered a lot more attention, and also, other than the coolpix A, is the only true compact with aps-c sensor, so I think it left a bigger impression on the market than previous editions.

However, personally, the only thing i miss from the GR is support for an EVF. Preferably built in, but at the minimum, let it support an external EVF. Upgraded sensor would be nice, but not really needed. The grip is fine as it is, I, again personally, have never missed WIFI support, changing the name sounds like a horrible idea, touch screen is just silly. Also, even thou not mentioned in this rumor, articulated screen would really make me less interested. Keep the GR simple and small. Preferably as close to its original film line as possible.
 
I just have to say, I'm just a happy amateur playing around, but I do have a lot of, well, at least 10 friends who make their living from photography and every time I have showed them my GR, none of them have ever heard about it and go, what brand is this camera? When I reply "its a Ricoh", they just go "a what?" So it really seems like a camera that went under the radar for a lot of people.
So maybe if Ricoh has done some market research on the GR and found the same thing - that many potential buyers are completely unaware of its existence - the rumored "new" GR will be re-branded Pentax GR as some are guessing.

I think that aspect will be a little sad, since Ricoh GR has such a sterling heritage. Nevertheless I would be glad to see Ricoh/Pentax sell a ton of them as a result and ultimately I think it would be fitting.
 
I would buy that in a heartbeat, but pentax doesn't do tech like touch screens, so I don't believe it. They are usually years behind with that kind of sizzle feature.
Touch Screen would be idiotic. Manual controls is the way to go.

Grip - the GR cameras are perfect the way they are.

Name change - Another idiotic idea. The GR brand is a classic.

Let's be even more idiotic and take away snap focus.

Just add a viewfinder upgraded sensor and be done. Make the LCD smaller to fit it if you have to. Move the flash possibly.
Basically I agree Tim. When you are on to a good thing don't mess with it.

Touch screens can be good and bad. Recent association with the Panasonic GM1 shows that in a space strapped small camera body an intelligent use of configurable touch screen "function buttons" can provide a higher level of control that trying to squeeze in more mechanical buttons. On the other hand a touch enabled screen can be subject to false presses and drive the user insane.

Ricoh could do well to upgrade their wheels which are still basically the same since the back click to set wheel was scrapped for the not nearly as good jog lever. Other brands now have much nicer wheels with click-set capability.

I think that the GR might do well with a good evf. The trouble is that screen size and/or flash might need to be compromised. There was some talk years ago about led-flash around the lens (in general terms) - but no camera manufacturer has taken this up as far as I know.

... and the GR brand is Ricoh's last finger hold in the camera business and one that a Ricoh exec said some time ago that Ricoh would never abandon. Maybe famous last words but I suggest that the end of the GR might be the end of Ricoh as a camera-type owner as opposed to the Pentax by Ricoh brand that they have been trying to promote. The GR is effectively the last indigenous Ricoh sourced camera on the market - or maybe I missed something?

I don't have many PK lenses and I am not about to start a new collection should Ricoh go all the way with Pentax. I suggest that quite a lot of users might be reluctant to start building a dslr FF-capable lens holding and as Pentax was and still is a junior member in the dslr club one might wonder what the future might hold by way of the FF sensor Pentax dslr body.

There must be a market there and the better Pentax dslr bodies are well regarded but seriously trying to carve out a niche in the dslr market right now might be a bit like pushing rocks up hill.

Sorry if I wandered off the topic a bit but if indeed Ricoh is turning its back on the GR then we must wonder what other "attractive" direction the company might be taking.

For me it is GR or nothing, but I would rather a re-marketed updated GXR - now that would be interesting and I would change my mind quite quickly.

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PhotoRumors.com reporting that there may be an announcement of a GR replacement at CP+, however the GR name may be gone... If that's the case RIP to a legacy.

http://photorumors.com/2015/02/05/rumors-of-a-ricoh-gr-camera-replacement/
If there were a name change I wonder if it would be to 'Pentax GR'. Pentax has nearly always been a brand name in much the same way as Lumix or EOS. It would end the confusion of which cameras by who, help build the Pentax brand, and highlight the GR to Pentax shooters as a potential 2nd cam to their DSLRs. The same DSLR quality they are used to in a pocket rocket. Making it Pentax would make sense as to why it might receive a makeover as well, so as to style it like the recent Pentax cams.

Ah suppositioning on rumours fun fun :-)
On more recent Pentax dslr camera bodies it has been Pentax on front and Ricoh on the back. Pentax has been reduced to a brand name of the Ricoh Imaging Corporation. But maybe "Pentax" could replace the unlamented "Caplio" branding once used by Ricoh.
 
I've been so close to buying the current GR but haven't pulled the trigger yet. If this rumour is true I will happily pre-order provided once thing doesn't change, the camera size. The biggest appeal for me on this camera has always been the small size and large sensor.

If nothing happens soon, I'll probablybuybthe current GR which is retailing at £400 in the UK...
 
I'm looking forward to the replacement camera. The GR is one of the best compact cameras that money can buy, but it could certainly do with a few refinements. It's not important to me if they call it something else. GR is only a name.

I feel like this camera probably won't get the attention it deserves due to the lack of bells and whistles. Here's a list of things it doesn't need (IMO)

- EVF

- tilting screen

- 5 axis IBIS

- 4K video

- Wifi

- 20 fps

- On sensor phase detect AF
 
- 4K video
hell NO !
what for ? what do you photograph that requires so many pictures. as correctly pointed on this thread the current fps is fine but the ricoh GR could use a larger buffer ( like 5 pics in RAW + jpeg for instance)

- On sensor phase detect AF
this is not really needed on compact cameras with fixed lenses but I am sure many will disagree on this one

Harold
 
I'm looking forward to the replacement camera. The GR is one of the best compact cameras that money can buy, but it could certainly do with a few refinements. It's not important to me if they call it something else. GR is only a name.

I feel like this camera probably won't get the attention it deserves due to the lack of bells and whistles. Here's a list of things it doesn't need (IMO)

- EVF

- tilting screen

- 5 axis IBIS

- 4K video

- Wifi

- 20 fps

- On sensor phase detect AF
i agree with all except the EVF- i think that would be a valuable addition- especially if it could be achieved without size penalty. And i think it is possible: just put one where the flash is....i wouldn't mind a tiny add-on flash for the very few instances that i need it...i think it is too much real estate for a very little used thing. of course that's me: that could (and would) change from person to person.
 
I've been so close to buying the current GR but haven't pulled the trigger yet. If this rumour is true I will happily pre-order provided once thing doesn't change, the camera size. The biggest appeal for me on this camera has always been the small size and large sensor.

If nothing happens soon, I'll probablybuybthe current GR which is retailing at £400 in the UK...
 
It would be wonderful if a new version of the GR would be environmentally-sealed. This would make it the only camera of its kind : a serious WR compact with large sensor.

Unfortunately, we know this is not going to happen.
 
My GR came bundled with the VF, and I don't like using it. At wide angles like 28mm, I don't really need pinpoint framing. Also as someone mentioned, I've never had a problem seeing the screen in sunlight since its brightness can be set pretty high.
 
It would be wonderful if a new version of the GR would be environmentally-sealed. This would make it the only camera of its kind : a serious WR compact with large sensor.

Unfortunately, we know this is not going to happen.
I'd be happy with dust sealing. We all know the spectre of dust spots on the GR sensor.
 
It would be wonderful if a new version of the GR would be environmentally-sealed. This would make it the only camera of its kind : a serious WR compact with large sensor.

Unfortunately, we know this is not going to happen.
I'd be happy with dust sealing. We all know the spectre of dust spots on the GR sensor.
Yep, decent sealing would be the big one on my list. Do we know this is not going to happen? Pentax have always been good with this.
 
I'm looking forward to the replacement camera. The GR is one of the best compact cameras that money can buy, but it could certainly do with a few refinements. It's not important to me if they call it something else. GR is only a name.

I feel like this camera probably won't get the attention it deserves due to the lack of bells and whistles. Here's a list of things it doesn't need (IMO)

- EVF
agreed
- tilting screen
double agree
- 5 axis IBIS
agree
- 4K video
double agree
don't care
20fps?
- On sensor phase detect AF
Anything that makes AF faster has to be good, so not sure why any camera would not need this if it works. And contrast detection AF has to get slower as MBs go up.
 
- 4K video
hell NO !
what for ? what do you photograph that requires so many pictures. as correctly pointed on this thread the current fps is fine but the ricoh GR could use a larger buffer ( like 5 pics in RAW + jpeg for instance)
- On sensor phase detect AF
this is not really needed on compact cameras with fixed lenses but I am sure many will disagree on this one

Harold
 
- 4K video
hell NO !
what for ? what do you photograph that requires so many pictures. as correctly pointed on this thread the current fps is fine but the ricoh GR could use a larger buffer ( like 5 pics in RAW + jpeg for instance)
- On sensor phase detect AF
this is not really needed on compact cameras with fixed lenses but I am sure many will disagree on this one

Harold
 

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