5Ds pretty good! If it's not the one you need, get something else.

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I've waited for a camera like this for a long time. I want the resolution for studio and landscape.

It's not the camera for you if you want high iso capabilities. Buy a 5DIII or wait for the upcoming IV. This is NOT the successor to the 5DIII but a branch-off category suitable for certain types of work and there are trade-offs.

I think the wording in the 'leaked' press-release referring to wide dynamic range and accurate colour are deliberate and these will be upgrades.

I'm not sure I have ever used higher than 400iso in studio or landscape. I have barely ever used above 6400 at dark professional events on any camera. Yes it's difficult to use f/8 in the dark when photographing moving subjects handheld and you should not expect to get good results when trying it unless you are trying to get motion-blur. Try f/2.8 or f/4 and expect shallower DOF - or use a flash - it's a trade-off for the colour and dynamic range mentioned and perhaps 12800 is not what this camera is meant for.

Many here have more than 1 camera body. I have a 1DX and a 1DIV and a 5DII. That's why I read this high-end forum often. This will replace the 5DII for studio and landscape and other high resolution work. It will not be the camera I use for corporate events or pro sports requiring 12 frames/sec. If you want that, get a different camera. 5fps at 50MP is enough and I wouldn't want to be the one to go through 12fps/50MP files adding time to my workload. At pro sports events I have been involved in I extremely rarely hear any shutter go off more than one carefully timed click. You can sometimes hear the audible 'oops' when a pro has a slip of the finger and fires off 2 or 3. These people know the job and they know when to time a release for the best shot. At the Aussie Open often about 30 photographers release the shutter at exactly the same time with one big loud click. Think, aquire focus for 5fps is better than 12 oof.

If the resolution is too much - use mRaw or buy the markIII/IV. You will get other advantages over the 5Ds and lose some of the advantages a 5Ds can give. My clients have printed entire showroom walls and wrapped the outside of cafe's with my photos from smaller MP cameras. 24MP with a good focus system and higher fps might be a better choice for an all-around camera.

I think the focus will be fine. I used the 5DII when it was released at the Australian Open and it did ok with it's single centre point, yes 9 was annoying but it was so much better than the 5D original. This is the very first 5-Series to get dual digic processors so I imagine that will help the focus over the 5DIII just fine. Sounds almost as good as the 1DX focus to me minus the dedicated extra AF processor - perhaps halfway between 5DIII and 1DX. 1DX has dual Digic 5+

WiFi - I don't know what's so hard about placing a card in a card-reader and copying quickly. If you want added features buy the device that allows it or expect to pay a lot more in the first place for the body. CamRanger costs a few hundred dollars and gives you wireless live-view and camera control, wireless control to move the added motorised tripod head, wireless download of raws to a laptop such as a watched folder in Lightroom. Yep - it would be nice to have a wireless link to EOS Utility instead of buying CamRanger but as far as just downloading images... just swap out the card - it isn't so difficult. I don't really want to think about slow wifi downloads with 50MP at this point in time and perhaps that's why it isn't included.

GPS. I know where I am. Maybe it's useful to some landscapers I guess to automatically have the position registered in the exif data but there are add-on products you can purchase for it and if you are buying this camera you likely will be open to extra expenses. I have never needed GPS and I prefer to keep the cost of the body down rather than pay for features I will never need. I need other things that i buy suitable products for. You need GPS? buy it.

Video - it isn't the camera for 4k video - but did I read somewhere you can output 4k somehow?

Highest resolution. Highest colour accuracy and dynamic range of any Canon DSLR. Low noise (also specifically referred to in the press release). Pretty damn good focus point spec. Dual Digic 6 like no other 5-Series body has ever had (dual). These are the huge benefits I see in this camera.
 
The leaked specs look great, but can't wait for the official announcement and more detailed info.

Yes this camera will be for a certain crowd that need the high detailed image quality with high DR.

For the people that claimed they never needed the extra DR or extra resolution, then this camera is not for them.

Cannot wait for the official announcement.
 
It is simply too early to tell. 50 mp in and of itself does not make a great camera. An upsized cell phone camera sensor with a pixel size of 1.5 microns would have far more than 50 mp, but the high iso quality would be terrible by modern slr standards. The greatest sensor upgrades have been those that give us improvements in one parameter without compromising others, Canon did this when they doubled the pixel count between 5d classic and 5d2 without hurting iso or dynamic range. Nikon (Sony) did this when they took us to 36 mp while simultaneously increasing dynamic range and giving little or no ground to high iso. Sensor changes that demand sacrifice in one area tend to be just shuffling the "total available quality" if you will, to favor one parameter. Perhaps the price of the 50mp sensor will be small, don't know yet, but the low iso ceiling does not bode well imo.
 
It is simply too early to tell. 50 mp in and of itself does not make a great camera. An upsized cell phone camera sensor with a pixel size of 1.5 microns would have far more than 50 mp, but the high iso quality would be terrible by modern slr standards.
Actually, it might be better than anything we have seen.

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It is simply too early to tell. 50 mp in and of itself does not make a great camera. An upsized cell phone camera sensor with a pixel size of 1.5 microns would have far more than 50 mp, but the high iso quality would be terrible by modern slr standards.
Actually, it might be better than anything we have seen.
 
Yes, Canon still doesn't make the camera I was looking for. They deliberately crippled it as it would have worked for me if they had allowed the cropped modes to have a similar thruput as the 7D II and 1D IV. I'm happy it is the ideal landscape camera for you. It's a niche market segmentation which will have consequences. Sony and Nikon can easily produce a response to this model with far more useful comfort features with the advantages of accepting Canon glass quite well. Autofocus isn't a requirement for any of the samples I reviewed. The stated intended uses hardly need AF. I do hope Canon has carefully considered what happens when the user base is carved up with the potential that sales will be fragmented by segmentation group encouraging cross-make diversity. The recently announcements will continue to bleed the Canon faithful to try other
 
I've waited for a camera like this for a long time. I want the resolution for studio and landscape.

It's not the camera for you if you want high iso capabilities. Buy a 5DIII or wait for the upcoming IV. This is NOT the successor to the 5DIII but a branch-off category suitable for certain types of work and there are trade-offs.

I think the wording in the 'leaked' press-release referring to wide dynamic range and accurate colour are deliberate and these will be upgrades.

I'm not sure I have ever used higher than 400iso in studio or landscape. I have barely ever used above 6400 at dark professional events on any camera. Yes it's difficult to use f/8 in the dark when photographing moving subjects handheld and you should not expect to get good results when trying it unless you are trying to get motion-blur. Try f/2.8 or f/4 and expect shallower DOF - or use a flash - it's a trade-off for the colour and dynamic range mentioned and perhaps 12800 is not what this camera is meant for.

Many here have more than 1 camera body. I have a 1DX and a 1DIV and a 5DII. That's why I read this high-end forum often. This will replace the 5DII for studio and landscape and other high resolution work. It will not be the camera I use for corporate events or pro sports requiring 12 frames/sec. If you want that, get a different camera. 5fps at 50MP is enough and I wouldn't want to be the one to go through 12fps/50MP files adding time to my workload. At pro sports events I have been involved in I extremely rarely hear any shutter go off more than one carefully timed click. You can sometimes hear the audible 'oops' when a pro has a slip of the finger and fires off 2 or 3. These people know the job and they know when to time a release for the best shot. At the Aussie Open often about 30 photographers release the shutter at exactly the same time with one big loud click. Think, aquire focus for 5fps is better than 12 oof.

If the resolution is too much - use mRaw or buy the markIII/IV. You will get other advantages over the 5Ds and lose some of the advantages a 5Ds can give. My clients have printed entire showroom walls and wrapped the outside of cafe's with my photos from smaller MP cameras. 24MP with a good focus system and higher fps might be a better choice for an all-around camera.

I think the focus will be fine. I used the 5DII when it was released at the Australian Open and it did ok with it's single centre point, yes 9 was annoying but it was so much better than the 5D original. This is the very first 5-Series to get dual digic processors so I imagine that will help the focus over the 5DIII just fine. Sounds almost as good as the 1DX focus to me minus the dedicated extra AF processor - perhaps halfway between 5DIII and 1DX. 1DX has dual Digic 5+

WiFi - I don't know what's so hard about placing a card in a card-reader and copying quickly. If you want added features buy the device that allows it or expect to pay a lot more in the first place for the body. CamRanger costs a few hundred dollars and gives you wireless live-view and camera control, wireless control to move the added motorised tripod head, wireless download of raws to a laptop such as a watched folder in Lightroom. Yep - it would be nice to have a wireless link to EOS Utility instead of buying CamRanger but as far as just downloading images... just swap out the card - it isn't so difficult. I don't really want to think about slow wifi downloads with 50MP at this point in time and perhaps that's why it isn't included.

GPS. I know where I am. Maybe it's useful to some landscapers I guess to automatically have the position registered in the exif data but there are add-on products you can purchase for it and if you are buying this camera you likely will be open to extra expenses. I have never needed GPS and I prefer to keep the cost of the body down rather than pay for features I will never need. I need other things that i buy suitable products for. You need GPS? buy it.

Video - it isn't the camera for 4k video - but did I read somewhere you can output 4k somehow?

Highest resolution. Highest colour accuracy and dynamic range of any Canon DSLR. Low noise (also specifically referred to in the press release). Pretty damn good focus point spec. Dual Digic 6 like no other 5-Series body has ever had (dual). These are the huge benefits I see in this camera.

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Where did you get the info about "Highest colour accuracy and dynamic range of any Canon DSLR"? DPR's first impressions says same dynamic range as the 5D3.
 
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I've waited for a camera like this for a long time. I want the resolution for studio and landscape.

It's not the camera for you if you want high iso capabilities. Buy a 5DIII or wait for the upcoming IV. This is NOT the successor to the 5DIII but a branch-off category suitable for certain types of work and there are trade-offs.

I think the wording in the 'leaked' press-release referring to wide dynamic range and accurate colour are deliberate and these will be upgrades.

I'm not sure I have ever used higher than 400iso in studio or landscape. I have barely ever used above 6400 at dark professional events on any camera. Yes it's difficult to use f/8 in the dark when photographing moving subjects handheld and you should not expect to get good results when trying it unless you are trying to get motion-blur. Try f/2.8 or f/4 and expect shallower DOF - or use a flash - it's a trade-off for the colour and dynamic range mentioned and perhaps 12800 is not what this camera is meant for.

Many here have more than 1 camera body. I have a 1DX and a 1DIV and a 5DII. That's why I read this high-end forum often. This will replace the 5DII for studio and landscape and other high resolution work. It will not be the camera I use for corporate events or pro sports requiring 12 frames/sec. If you want that, get a different camera. 5fps at 50MP is enough and I wouldn't want to be the one to go through 12fps/50MP files adding time to my workload. At pro sports events I have been involved in I extremely rarely hear any shutter go off more than one carefully timed click. You can sometimes hear the audible 'oops' when a pro has a slip of the finger and fires off 2 or 3. These people know the job and they know when to time a release for the best shot. At the Aussie Open often about 30 photographers release the shutter at exactly the same time with one big loud click. Think, aquire focus for 5fps is better than 12 oof.

If the resolution is too much - use mRaw or buy the markIII/IV. You will get other advantages over the 5Ds and lose some of the advantages a 5Ds can give. My clients have printed entire showroom walls and wrapped the outside of cafe's with my photos from smaller MP cameras. 24MP with a good focus system and higher fps might be a better choice for an all-around camera.

I think the focus will be fine. I used the 5DII when it was released at the Australian Open and it did ok with it's single centre point, yes 9 was annoying but it was so much better than the 5D original. This is the very first 5-Series to get dual digic processors so I imagine that will help the focus over the 5DIII just fine. Sounds almost as good as the 1DX focus to me minus the dedicated extra AF processor - perhaps halfway between 5DIII and 1DX. 1DX has dual Digic 5+

WiFi - I don't know what's so hard about placing a card in a card-reader and copying quickly. If you want added features buy the device that allows it or expect to pay a lot more in the first place for the body. CamRanger costs a few hundred dollars and gives you wireless live-view and camera control, wireless control to move the added motorised tripod head, wireless download of raws to a laptop such as a watched folder in Lightroom. Yep - it would be nice to have a wireless link to EOS Utility instead of buying CamRanger but as far as just downloading images... just swap out the card - it isn't so difficult. I don't really want to think about slow wifi downloads with 50MP at this point in time and perhaps that's why it isn't included.

GPS. I know where I am. Maybe it's useful to some landscapers I guess to automatically have the position registered in the exif data but there are add-on products you can purchase for it and if you are buying this camera you likely will be open to extra expenses. I have never needed GPS and I prefer to keep the cost of the body down rather than pay for features I will never need. I need other things that i buy suitable products for. You need GPS? buy it.

Video - it isn't the camera for 4k video - but did I read somewhere you can output 4k somehow?

Highest resolution. Highest colour accuracy and dynamic range of any Canon DSLR. Low noise (also specifically referred to in the press release). Pretty damn good focus point spec. Dual Digic 6 like no other 5-Series body has ever had (dual). These are the huge benefits I see in this camera.
 
And it might even be semi-usable, which would be wonderful. Touch- and articulated screen, too. And an upper LCD panel. Yummm....

FF
 
Agreed. I've been pretty harsh on Canon. I maintain that more DR is a good thing, just like more resolution, but the jury's out on how good the DR is. People are really jumping the gun instead of waiting for some CR2 files to play with. From the sample images I've seen, the detail and microtexture is astonishingly good. More ammo for resolution fans like me. If it gets up to at least 12.5 EVs, I'd say that's quite good. It's still behind Exmor, but Exmor is still behind RED Dragon. I want it all, but I'm glad Canon is offering high resolution. People are right to value DR, but they shouldn't downplay the advantage that 50 megapixels offers over 36 megapixels. I went dual system and got a D810 after getting impatient. I'll wait to see what Nikon's 54 megapixel answer to the 5Ds, but after seeing some of the sample images from the 5Ds, I must admit I'm impressed and tempted. The 5Ds will be used to make some really gorgeous images. The color is also great, and Canon glass is fantastic despite the naysayers claiming 50 megapixels will out-resolve Canon lenses - that's phooey from what I can tell based on the sample images.

Good times to be a photographer, in my opinion.
 
Agreed. I've been pretty harsh on Canon. I maintain that more DR is a good thing, just like more resolution, but the jury's out on how good the DR is. People are really jumping the gun instead of waiting for some CR2 files to play with. From the sample images I've seen, the detail and microtexture is astonishingly good. More ammo for resolution fans like me. If it gets up to at least 12.5 EVs, I'd say that's quite good. It's still behind Exmor, but Exmor is still behind RED Dragon. I want it all, but I'm glad Canon is offering high resolution. People are right to value DR, but they shouldn't downplay the advantage that 50 megapixels offers over 36 megapixels. I went dual system and got a D810 after getting impatient. I'll wait to see what Nikon's 54 megapixel answer to the 5Ds, but after seeing some of the sample images from the 5Ds, I must admit I'm impressed and tempted. The 5Ds will be used to make some really gorgeous images. The color is also great, and Canon glass is fantastic despite the naysayers claiming 50 megapixels will out-resolve Canon lenses - that's phooey from what I can tell based on the sample images.
You can't possibly say you like the 5DS before seeing the DXO charts! Who do you think you are - a photographer??? ;-)
 
...and feet on the ground. I agree entirely with your cmments and cant believe how many 'sofa experts' have already made judgement on the cameras sensor with any proper tests, and in time, may find themselves with eggs on their faces. The only thing I would have liked is an integrated WIFI solution, apart from that, its an interesting camera which I will buy.

Agreed. I've been pretty harsh on Canon. I maintain that more DR is a good thing, just like more resolution, but the jury's out on how good the DR is. People are really jumping the gun instead of waiting for some CR2 files to play with. From the sample images I've seen, the detail and microtexture is astonishingly good. More ammo for resolution fans like me. If it gets up to at least 12.5 EVs, I'd say that's quite good. It's still behind Exmor, but Exmor is still behind RED Dragon. I want it all, but I'm glad Canon is offering high resolution. People are right to value DR, but they shouldn't downplay the advantage that 50 megapixels offers over 36 megapixels. I went dual system and got a D810 after getting impatient. I'll wait to see what Nikon's 54 megapixel answer to the 5Ds, but after seeing some of the sample images from the 5Ds, I must admit I'm impressed and tempted. The 5Ds will be used to make some really gorgeous images. The color is also great, and Canon glass is fantastic despite the naysayers claiming 50 megapixels will out-resolve Canon lenses - that's phooey from what I can tell based on the sample images.

Good times to be a photographer, in my opinion.
 
...and feet on the ground. I agree entirely with your cmments and cant believe how many 'sofa experts' have already made judgement on the cameras sensor with any proper tests, and in time, may find themselves with eggs on their faces. The only thing I would have liked is an integrated WIFI solution, apart from that, its an interesting camera which I will buy.
Agreed. I've been pretty harsh on Canon. I maintain that more DR is a good thing, just like more resolution, but the jury's out on how good the DR is. People are really jumping the gun instead of waiting for some CR2 files to play with. From the sample images I've seen, the detail and microtexture is astonishingly good. More ammo for resolution fans like me. If it gets up to at least 12.5 EVs, I'd say that's quite good. It's still behind Exmor, but Exmor is still behind RED Dragon. I want it all, but I'm glad Canon is offering high resolution. People are right to value DR, but they shouldn't downplay the advantage that 50 megapixels offers over 36 megapixels. I went dual system and got a D810 after getting impatient. I'll wait to see what Nikon's 54 megapixel answer to the 5Ds, but after seeing some of the sample images from the 5Ds, I must admit I'm impressed and tempted. The 5Ds will be used to make some really gorgeous images. The color is also great, and Canon glass is fantastic despite the naysayers claiming 50 megapixels will out-resolve Canon lenses - that's phooey from what I can tell based on the sample images.

Good times to be a photographer, in my opinion.
 
I've waited for a camera like this for a long time. I want the resolution for studio and landscape.

It's not the camera for you if you want high iso capabilities. Buy a 5DIII or wait for the upcoming IV. This is NOT the successor to the 5DIII but a branch-off category suitable for certain types of work and there are trade-offs.

I think the wording in the 'leaked' press-release referring to wide dynamic range and accurate colour are deliberate and these will be upgrades.

I'm not sure I have ever used higher than 400iso in studio or landscape. I have barely ever used above 6400 at dark professional events on any camera. Yes it's difficult to use f/8 in the dark when photographing moving subjects handheld and you should not expect to get good results when trying it unless you are trying to get motion-blur. Try f/2.8 or f/4 and expect shallower DOF - or use a flash - it's a trade-off for the colour and dynamic range mentioned and perhaps 12800 is not what this camera is meant for.

Many here have more than 1 camera body. I have a 1DX and a 1DIV and a 5DII. That's why I read this high-end forum often. This will replace the 5DII for studio and landscape and other high resolution work. It will not be the camera I use for corporate events or pro sports requiring 12 frames/sec. If you want that, get a different camera. 5fps at 50MP is enough and I wouldn't want to be the one to go through 12fps/50MP files adding time to my workload. At pro sports events I have been involved in I extremely rarely hear any shutter go off more than one carefully timed click. You can sometimes hear the audible 'oops' when a pro has a slip of the finger and fires off 2 or 3. These people know the job and they know when to time a release for the best shot. At the Aussie Open often about 30 photographers release the shutter at exactly the same time with one big loud click. Think, aquire focus for 5fps is better than 12 oof.

If the resolution is too much - use mRaw or buy the markIII/IV. You will get other advantages over the 5Ds and lose some of the advantages a 5Ds can give. My clients have printed entire showroom walls and wrapped the outside of cafe's with my photos from smaller MP cameras. 24MP with a good focus system and higher fps might be a better choice for an all-around camera.

I think the focus will be fine. I used the 5DII when it was released at the Australian Open and it did ok with it's single centre point, yes 9 was annoying but it was so much better than the 5D original. This is the very first 5-Series to get dual digic processors so I imagine that will help the focus over the 5DIII just fine. Sounds almost as good as the 1DX focus to me minus the dedicated extra AF processor - perhaps halfway between 5DIII and 1DX. 1DX has dual Digic 5+

WiFi - I don't know what's so hard about placing a card in a card-reader and copying quickly. If you want added features buy the device that allows it or expect to pay a lot more in the first place for the body. CamRanger costs a few hundred dollars and gives you wireless live-view and camera control, wireless control to move the added motorised tripod head, wireless download of raws to a laptop such as a watched folder in Lightroom. Yep - it would be nice to have a wireless link to EOS Utility instead of buying CamRanger but as far as just downloading images... just swap out the card - it isn't so difficult. I don't really want to think about slow wifi downloads with 50MP at this point in time and perhaps that's why it isn't included.

GPS. I know where I am. Maybe it's useful to some landscapers I guess to automatically have the position registered in the exif data but there are add-on products you can purchase for it and if you are buying this camera you likely will be open to extra expenses. I have never needed GPS and I prefer to keep the cost of the body down rather than pay for features I will never need. I need other things that i buy suitable products for. You need GPS? buy it.

Video - it isn't the camera for 4k video - but did I read somewhere you can output 4k somehow?

Highest resolution. Highest colour accuracy and dynamic range of any Canon DSLR. Low noise (also specifically referred to in the press release). Pretty damn good focus point spec. Dual Digic 6 like no other 5-Series body has ever had (dual). These are the huge benefits I see in this camera.
 

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