copyrighted photos?

I am kind of in a pinch here. Months back I brought a few prints to work to show sombody at work. Another person saw them. About a month later she asked me to reprint some photos from school pictures. Obviouslly she came to me because they were professional pictures and it would cost a professional price to have duplicates. She has of course tried walmart etc and you know the result there. She has occationally pestered me and I have tried to give details to persuaid her against it, without luck. She has lots of kids, makes cr*p, and cannot afford to have prints made (to send to family). I do not want to in effect, steal someone elses work. Beyond that, she cannot grasp the point that an inkjet print is not the same as a developed print. She further cannot grasp the fact, that the sh*t photo paper we sell at work, is sh*t. I held her off because my 600x1200dpi scanner was sh*t. But she knows I got a new scanner that I am not sure is photo capable so she expects that I can do it. Even if I did print some photos for her, she is going to send them to family in mexico, so I am assuming there would be a severe gas fading problem. She doesn't realise that there is more to it than just a simple quick scan and print, and I do not want to do it any way. Does anybody have some advice here? I just dont know how to deal with it. By the way, technically she is my supervisor (by position she defanatlly is), but if you knew the situation, there is no supeiority there, even by the informal acts of her superiors. I just don't know how to deal with it?

Tell it to her straight: ie Copyright infringement is a form of theft. You are against such an act on principle.

I have successfully refused similar requests from friends without compromising their friendship.

If you want to sugar the pill, offer to take some fresh photos for her for free.

Richard

Repeat after me the word "No"
--
Bob Craige

Robert Craige said:

Richard

Repeat after me the word "No"
--
Bob Craige

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I have tried that but she has resorted to begging. I like the idea of offering to take some pictures so thanks mike. I really don't want to do that either but If I just get It over with.....

As stated your best bet is to offer to take new pics for her.

But I have to admit, for my daughters pictures from daycare we took the cheapest package available and made copies ourselves for our family.

1 5x7
4 wallets
1 class picture

The package was $14.95.

I must say we were way dissapointed in the quality.

I scanned a wallet and played around a bit in photoshop and printed on my Epson 2200. My copies were 10 times better than the originals. So I am glad I did it.

But that being said, I would not do it for someone else except for family.

Maybe you can take the picture from her and print them and leave them on her desk with no note from who it is from. When she thanks you, say you have no clue what she is talking about.

That will keep you out of trouble. Denial is the first step to getting rid of her. ;-)

Richard Homeyer said:

Robert Craige said:

Richard

Repeat after me the word "No"
--
Bob Craige

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I have tried that but she has resorted to begging. I like the idea
of offering to take some pictures so thanks mike. I really don't
want to do that either but If I just get It over with.....

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Mike Price said:

Tell it to her straight: ie Copyright infringement is a form of
theft. You are against such an act on principle.

I have successfully refused similar requests from friends without
compromising their friendship.

If you want to sugar the pill, offer to take some fresh photos for
her for free.

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The fresh photo idea is good. I work at a small school with plenty of low income students. With only about 30-40 seniors graduating, it is easier for us to shoot pictures of the graduating seniors than to try to convince a professional to come in when many kids will not be buying packages. Each senior gets a small package (1 8x10 in a frame,1 sheet with smaller sizes, and a CD with the photos). The kids and families love it, and they can go to store to get more reprints.

If the students want professional results, then they can go to a studio. Most students are just as happy with one of one their teachers (me) taking their picture and making the prints. Next year I will recruit some students to help me with the pictures and the printing. I use Canon S820 with Ilford Galerie Classic Pearl. The image quality is a little off, but the pictures will have better stabilty (I hope).

I like your advice on fresh photos .
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Desert Rat

Just because this person does not respect your ethics is no reason to lower them. Do you think she would be upset if some of her properrty was stolen?

Alan Goldstein

http://www.goldsteinphoto.com

AlanG said:

Just because this person does not respect your ethics is no reason
to lower them. Do you think she would be upset if some of her
properrty was stolen?

Alan Goldstein

http://www.goldsteinphoto.com

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Make her a few copies. Tell her they may fade because printed copies aren't the same as processed pictures.

This seems to me that copying the picture is way under any radar that could cause a copyright problem. It makes no sese to me to alienate your boss over this matter.

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Doug Kosmin
D1, XP, PS7, PP, Qimage, i1 Display, 2200

One thing you might do is make bad copies for her and she might not ask again. Just a thought. Pam

pshead said:

One thing you might do is make bad copies for her and she might not
ask again. Just a thought. Pam

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I was kind of thinking I would use some of the cheap photo paper that we have at work just like she wants. I have used it and it is pretty guarenteed to cause pooling and banding on my canon. She didn't want to accept the fact that she would have to get decent photo paper so I am just doing it the way she wants it. Perhaps I could just print a few sample prints like this and she may change her mind. That and perhaps she will begin to believe me that if she sends them to family in mexico (thats what she wants them for), and it's a poor air quality area (they don't exactlly have tight polution control in mexico), the prints are history from rapid gas fading.

Richard Homeyer said:

pshead said:

One thing you might do is make bad copies for her and she might not
ask again. Just a thought. Pam

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I was kind of thinking I would use some of the cheap photo paper
that we have at work just like she wants. I have used it and it is
pretty guarenteed to cause pooling and banding on my canon. She
didn't want to accept the fact that she would have to get decent
photo paper so I am just doing it the way she wants it. Perhaps I
could just print a few sample prints like this and she may change
her mind. That and perhaps she will begin to believe me that if
she sends them to family in mexico (thats what she wants them for),
and it's a poor air quality area (they don't exactlly have tight
polution control in mexico), the prints are history from rapid gas
fading.

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She doesn't care about any of that Richard, she just wants cheap prints. People like that don't care, they don't even know quality if they see it. Hell she doesn't even care if you suck up the $25,000 fine if convicted on copyright infringement ( the last figure I heard of, may be up or down from that now, this in the USA) !

Richard, would you shop lift for her ? I know you wouldn't, but it's the same thing Richard, illegal, finable, even if unlikely to be caught.

You are quick to feel for this girl, that she maybe can't afford reprints. What about the photographer ? That person is not wrong, he or she has a right to those images. A store keeper has a right to the candy bar on his shelf and you have to pay to get that candy bar. Small operators in either catagory are not rich people , much to many peoples dismay and not that it should matter. What of the sales you are taking away from that photographer ? Enough of this could make or break that business, especially if they haven't geared up for this treatment already ( most of us have and are fully aware of our work being stollen, which is why we have had to).

David Grabowski
Natural Images Photography

Why not tell her you'd be glad to coy them if it's ok with the photographer? (Maybe once you explain the situation he or she will grant permission.)

By the way, copyright infringement used to have a maximum fine of $100,000 per inident. I think it is $150,000 now but I could be wrong. Of course this is not the kind of case that would ever result in such a fine. (But if Kinkos did this regularly, they'd be toast.) But if you are concerned enough about this to post the question, then I'm sure you know that copying a photographer's work is only ok if the photographer approves.

Aren't we all photographers here?

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Alan Goldstein

http://www.goldsteinphoto.com

AlanG said:

Why not tell her you'd be glad to coy them if it's ok with the
photographer? (Maybe once you explain the situation he or she will
grant permission.)

By the way, copyright infringement used to have a maximum fine of
$100,000 per inident. I think it is $150,000 now but I could be
wrong. Of course this is not the kind of case that would ever
result in such a fine. (But if Kinkos did this regularly, they'd
be toast.) But if you are concerned enough about this to post the
question, then I'm sure you know that copying a photographer's work
is only ok if the photographer approves.

Aren't we all photographers here?

--
Alan Goldstein

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I'll buy that Alan, with permission from the photographer I'll print the images for the girl/boss !

I came up with the $25,000 figure from Ritz camera when they wouldn't print one of my own images because it was copy righted with my name. I needed two 5x7s of a wedding I shot ( came up unexpectedly) and I had to sign a permission paper and give ID, which was fine with me. The clerk actually was the one who claimed the fine could be $25,000. But this was years ago, things change.

Since then I've learned a lot about what people do with our images, and since then I've gone to CD proofing. This thread and the replies there in are prime examples of why we have to do these things today.

The most amazing thing to me is the brazen attitudes, the fact that it just doesn't matter what the law is, the degeneration of a persons right to the point that people feel this an ok thing to do, and then state that in an open public forum, even give tips on how to by- pass the persons right.

However, with permission that's another story all together.

David

AlanG said:

http://www.goldsteinphoto.com

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