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Full E-M5II specs leak out! It’s weather (freeze) resistant like the E-M1.

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Nemo0815 said:
il_alexk said:
Is it really better than the good old and a cheaper E-M1?

http://thenewcamera.com/olympus-e-m5-ii-camera-leaked-images-specification-and-price/

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From the specs, I guess the only thing where it's better at is video (and size if you prefer a smaller cam) - that's it.
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Video? May be. I thought everyone in m43 camp is shooting video with Panasonic (GH2, GH3, GH4).

E-M5 II will also benefit from the fully articulated screen.
Nemo0815 said:
For the rest, take an E-M1.
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Agree, "the rest" happens to include PDAF, shutter speed of 1/8000, and a slightly better controls.

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knickerhawk said:
Nemo0815 said:
And 40MP shooting is meant to be done with tripod only (as already assumed here by me and others).
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I didn't see any details about the 40MP feature other than that it utilzies 1/2 pixel sensor movements. On what basis are you concluding that this means tripod-only shooting?

Also wondering what the HDR button does (by default).
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http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-sensor-shift-mode-is-made-for-tripod-shooting-only/ linked from the other page.

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MatsP said:
Nemo0815 said:
And 40MP shooting is meant to be done with tripod only (as already assumed here by me and others).
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Yeah, I saw that, and it's a disappointment. I had hoped else. I want more resolution for my architectural shots. Now I have to wait for a new sensor in the E-M1 II, maybe. The idea with a m43 camera is that it's small. If I'm going to carry around a tripod it isn't a small package anymore. Maybe I should get a A7r instead. But I love my 12-40/2,8. Grrr.
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Perhaps, but the "Camera in keystone correction" should have you drooling for architectural shots?
 
il_alexk said:
Video? May be. I thought everyone in m43 camp is shooting video with Panasonic (GH2, GH3, GH4).

E-M5 II will also benefit from the fully articulated screen.
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The olympus cameras have one thing that is very nice for video; the IBIS system. Unfortunately their video implementation has been a bit sub-par though.
 
Jim Salvas said:
Nemo0815 said:
And 40MP shooting is meant to be done with tripod only (as already assumed here by me and others).
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However, I assume this won't be useful for flash photography, even on a tripod, as you would need 8 flash bursts to capture the 40mp image. That would mean only continuous lights for product photography, which sort of sucks.
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Not necessarily. It depends on the total read time of the composite exposures. It may be quite short. The reason for the tripod is probably as much to avoid camera movement interfering with registration as anything else.
 
CharlesB58 said:
Jim Salvas said:
Nemo0815 said:
And 40MP shooting is meant to be done with tripod only (as already assumed here by me and others).
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However, I assume this won't be useful for flash photography, even on a tripod, as you would need 8 flash bursts to capture the 40mp image. That would mean only continuous lights for product photography, which sort of sucks.
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Not necessarily. It depends on the total read time of the composite exposures. It may be quite short.
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No. The sensor has a read-out time of approximately 1/15 s at best, perhaps a little slower depending on exactly how the read-out is implemented. So for eight shot, we should expect a total capture time approaching one second.
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The reason for the tripod is probably as much to avoid camera movement interfering with registration as anything else.
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The reason for the tripod is that moving the sensor around in a predetermined set of small and precise movements does not make much sense unless the camera itself is perfectly fixed relative to the subject.
 
Jim Salvas said:
Nemo0815 said:
And 40MP shooting is meant to be done with tripod only (as already assumed here by me and others).
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In most of the instances were I want higher resolution, using a tripod is not a big disadvantage. I'm looking forward to using it for landscape photography. For most other work, 16mp is just fine.
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A problem for landscape photography will most likely be that few landscapes remain perfectly static for as long as the total capture time (about one second) requires. It could be that the in-camera software contains functions to handle that problem (e.g., taking moving subjects from just one of the frames) but such a feature would add significantly to the processing time (the image has to be analyzed from the point of view of subject motion) so my guess is that we won't see it. I'd be happy to be proven wrong about that though. ;-)

Jim Salvas said:
However, I assume this won't be useful for flash photography, even on a tripod, as you would need 8 flash bursts to capture the 40mp image. That would mean only continuous lights for product photography, which sort of sucks.

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GoneMirrorless said:
Nemo0815 said:
And 40MP shooting is meant to be done with tripod only (as already assumed here by me and others).
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I was just reading how the Olympus medical cameras do this. Apparently they use a smaller CCD sensor in which the whole sensors can be read at one time instead of line by line. IIRC, the old E-M5 sensor can only be read in 1/10th of second.
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I would think it might be read a bit faster than that. The GH3, which presumably uses the same sensor (in contrast to all other Pany bodies) takes 1/15 s to complete exposure across the frame when using the electronic shutter IIRC.
GoneMirrorless said:
The GH4 sensor is faster and might only take 1/15th of a second. In order for this to work optimally Olympus will need a global shutter or a sensor which can be read in 1/80th of second or faster, and even then it would take 1/10th of second to take a picture - fast enough for IBIS to be used. I read Panasonic is working on a sensor like that, but at this time it does not exist.

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Jim Salvas said:
Nemo0815 said:
And 40MP shooting is meant to be done with tripod only (as already assumed here by me and others).
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In most of the instances were I want higher resolution, using a tripod is not a big disadvantage. I'm looking forward to using it for landscape photography. For most other work, 16mp is just fine.

However, I assume this won't be useful for flash photography, even on a tripod, as you would need 8 flash bursts to capture the 40mp image. That would mean only continuous lights for product photography, which sort of sucks.
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I wouldn't call it a huge advance. It is a neat feature that can save some time, that's all. As a matter of fact, you can easily squeeze out 30MP and above from the old EM5 by shooting a series of images in upright position, and then stitching them together. I do it all the time and the results are fantastic.

Moti
 
Moti said:
Jim Salvas said:
Nemo0815 said:
And 40MP shooting is meant to be done with tripod only (as already assumed here by me and others).
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In most of the instances were I want higher resolution, using a tripod is not a big disadvantage. I'm looking forward to using it for landscape photography. For most other work, 16mp is just fine.

However, I assume this won't be useful for flash photography, even on a tripod, as you would need 8 flash bursts to capture the 40mp image. That would mean only continuous lights for product photography, which sort of sucks.
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I wouldn't call it a huge advance. It is a neat feature that can save some time, that's all. As a matter of fact, you can easily squeeze out 30MP and above from the old EM5 by shooting a series of images in upright position, and then stitching them together. I do it all the time and the results are fantastic.

Moti

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I believe your stitched photos will look better since any motion like grass in a breeze would not be a huge problem with a high enough shutter speed, except perhaps at the joints. This 40MP feature seems to require completely still grass and lieaves, and also seagull, children and whatever, while those 8 photos are taken, or there will be mush all over.
 
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Moti said:
Jim Salvas said:
Nemo0815 said:
And 40MP shooting is meant to be done with tripod only (as already assumed here by me and others).
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In most of the instances were I want higher resolution, using a tripod is not a big disadvantage. I'm looking forward to using it for landscape photography. For most other work, 16mp is just fine.

However, I assume this won't be useful for flash photography, even on a tripod, as you would need 8 flash bursts to capture the 40mp image. That would mean only continuous lights for product photography, which sort of sucks.
Click to expand...
I wouldn't call it a huge advance. It is a neat feature that can save some time, that's all. As a matter of fact, you can easily squeeze out 30MP and above from the old EM5 by shooting a series of images in upright position, and then stitching them together. I do it all the time and the results are fantastic.

Moti
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Sergey Borachev said:
Moti said:
Jim Salvas said:
Nemo0815 said:
And 40MP shooting is meant to be done with tripod only (as already assumed here by me and others).
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In most of the instances were I want higher resolution, using a tripod is not a big disadvantage. I'm looking forward to using it for landscape photography. For most other work, 16mp is just fine.

However, I assume this won't be useful for flash photography, even on a tripod, as you would need 8 flash bursts to capture the 40mp image. That would mean only continuous lights for product photography, which sort of sucks.
Click to expand...
I wouldn't call it a huge advance. It is a neat feature that can save some time, that's all. As a matter of fact, you can easily squeeze out 30MP and above from the old EM5 by shooting a series of images in upright position, and then stitching them together. I do it all the time and the results are fantastic.

Moti
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dinoSnake said:
Sergey Borachev said:
Moti said:
Jim Salvas said:
Nemo0815 said:
And 40MP shooting is meant to be done with tripod only (as already assumed here by me and others).
Click to expand...
In most of the instances were I want higher resolution, using a tripod is not a big disadvantage. I'm looking forward to using it for landscape photography. For most other work, 16mp is just fine.

However, I assume this won't be useful for flash photography, even on a tripod, as you would need 8 flash bursts to capture the 40mp image. That would mean only continuous lights for product photography, which sort of sucks.
Click to expand...
I wouldn't call it a huge advance. It is a neat feature that can save some time, that's all. As a matter of fact, you can easily squeeze out 30MP and above from the old EM5 by shooting a series of images in upright position, and then stitching them together. I do it all the time and the results are fantastic.

Moti
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dinoSnake said:
Sergey Borachev said:
Moti said:
Jim Salvas said:
Nemo0815 said:
And 40MP shooting is meant to be done with tripod only (as already assumed here by me and others).
Click to expand...
In most of the instances were I want higher resolution, using a tripod is not a big disadvantage. I'm looking forward to using it for landscape photography. For most other work, 16mp is just fine.

However, I assume this won't be useful for flash photography, even on a tripod, as you would need 8 flash bursts to capture the 40mp image. That would mean only continuous lights for product photography, which sort of sucks.
Click to expand...
I wouldn't call it a huge advance. It is a neat feature that can save some time, that's all. As a matter of fact, you can easily squeeze out 30MP and above from the old EM5 by shooting a series of images in upright position, and then stitching them together. I do it all the time and the results are fantastic.

Moti

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I believe your stitched photos will look better since any motion like grass in a breeze would not be a huge problem with a high enough shutter speed, except perhaps at the joints. This 40MP feature seems to require completely still grass and lieaves, and also seagull, children and whatever, while those 8 photos are taken, or there will be mush all over.
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Even if the 8 frames are taken using the 24/30 fps video mode?
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Eight 2 MP video frames are somewhat unlikely to produce a high-resolution 40 MP file.
 
I wonder how a waterfall shot will look. Perhaps smooth the water without a long exposure?
 
Interesting as the camera is having to use a tripod to facilitate it's best! feature would seem a retrograde step.

Add to this a proposed retail cost of $1400 USD and I doubt this camera will sell in any quantity.

I would suggest that this camera is an intermediate step until a higher mp sensor with good image quality becomes available.

This is obviously speculation as the camera has not been announced as yet.
 
cnyram said:
I wonder how a waterfall shot will look. Perhaps smooth the water without a long exposure?
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Something like that. But the effect is not quite the same as the one you get with a long exposure. I did an experiment with this a couple of years ago. You find some results and discussion here.
 
Melvin J Bramley said:
Interesting as the camera is having to use a tripod to facilitate it's best! feature would seem a retrograde step.

Add to this a proposed retail cost of $1400 USD and I doubt this camera will sell in any quantity.

I would suggest that this camera is an intermediate step until a higher mp sensor with good image quality becomes available.

This is obviously speculation as the camera has not been announced as yet.
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Nah. US prices are usually lower and my guess, based on the rumoured price, is that it will be $1099 in US, around the same as what the original E-M5 was released at. However, at that time, the E-M5 was very special compared to its competitors from other brands in terms of IQ as well as features, and also a significant improvement on the then best M43 camera, the GH2 (except for video). With the E-M5 now available for about $400, and without that much improvement over it, if the rumours are correct, even $1000 seems way too much for the E-M5 II. At $1400, you are right, it won't sell, well, unless it comes with the 12-40mm zoom, which is not unlikely by Christmas time IMO.
 
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