Questions About The EX-ZR850 Is It The Best Travel Zoom Compact?

Thank you for your help.

What I wanted to express was the difficulty of choosing between all the different modes that basically do the same thing: help counter camera shake.

I was also expressing the bad design of the Casio menu. It could have been an option you switch on or off in all modes.

I mean, my daughter would not like all those confusing settings. And the all Intelligent mode always pushes up iso. There is no control over iso in Superior Auto mode.

All this feedback to help the PO make a choice of travel zoom.
It's true there's a lot to choose from (including the ability to make 999 customized settings--and, alas, they, too, have to be selected from that big "Best Shot" menu). However, I think its better to have more options rather than fewer.

My basic setting is BS: HDR3 and I have it tweaked a little as a custom setting choice. When I want a low light setting or a panorama, for example, I don't find it very time consuming to go into the menu, but maybe that's because I don't need those "specialty shots" very often. If I want a Triple Shot, or Premium Auto, I just quickly turn the Mode dial. I've actually found -that- part of the set up very convenient.

I think because the variety and layout are a little unusual, the settings can seem more confusing than they really are once you get used to the camera. It's nice to have the variety available, but I think most people--even once they are familiar with all of them--probably only would use one main one and a handful of the others 95% of the time.

The "Customize" feature is fantastic, imo, although, yes, it would be nice to have a dedicated Mode for it (and, yes, I also miss the bracketing option and that it doesn't AE/AF lock separately). Can't have everything (esp for under $250)--

Lisetta

ETA: José Antonio, I want a book of your posts and thoughts about this camera! You're always so informative--many thanks.
 
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If I use 900mm zoom I have to think to switch to SR zoom on the mode dial. Why not have just made this kick in automatically? Or put a multiframe switch somewhere?
 
I really like my 850. The only time I have reluctantly put it down is for indoor candids. Maybe I haven't found the right mode but the results in low light for people watching indoors were less than I expected.

Otherwise, it's the most "fun" camera I own. Very fast with amazing tele shots due to the digital magic that it performs.
Hi Marty

You tried with Premium Auto Pro?

Of course, there are better cameras for that, but only if you spend much more money and forget about putting the camera in your pocket, but I honestly doubt any other similar camera could perform even close.

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José Antonio
I tried this last night and you are correct. It was better than what I have experienced in the past. But it was still hit and miss with regard to focus in low light.

Thanks for the tip.
Hi Marty

If light it's too low for focusing, then you should try the HS Night Shot, the one at the first places of the Best Shot list.

Apart from being the better option for very dim lighten scenes, it boost the brightness of the screen, so instead an almost black screen in those occasions, you get a view on the screen almost like what you see with the naked eye and it's very hard not to get a good focus.

The resolution descends to 10 MPx and it's very noisy in extremely dark situations (but when it's almost impossible to see something, still gets a picture much brighter than what the naked eye can see) but for normal indoors light, should be more than sufficient to get a very decent final image.
 
Unfortunately I have not had any chance to play with my camera yet. So it will premier on my vacation starting Tuesday. I will of course experiment and play around with settings for the fun of it. But I need some recommendations for good base settings in different situations.

So what mode/settings do you recommend when shooting in low light? Indoors? Outdoor landscapes and city photos?

One thing I know I will be doing is to take wrist shoots of my G-Shock watches against a background( I usually take that kind of photos to post on Facebook and watch forum WatchUseek since I am a G-Shock watch collector). So I wonder is there a setting where I can get a sharp focus on the watch on my wrist as well as on the scenery in the background?
 
Unfortunately I have not had any chance to play with my camera yet. So it will premier on my vacation starting Tuesday. I will of course experiment and play around with settings for the fun of it. But I need some recommendations for good base settings in different situations.

So what mode/settings do you recommend when shooting in low light? Indoors? Outdoor landscapes and city photos?
Hi Joakim

I hope you enjoy your new camera and get the best possible results using it.

For low light in the outside, I presume do you mean without using flash, you can try different options:

- Premium Auto Pro (Pro is the variant particular from the High Speed cameras, adding HS (High Speed) multi image for individual shots, be sure to have HS on, when Premium Auto is selected). in low light situations, the scene can be detected as "low light" or Anti Shake, depending on the light level. If you don't want flash, remember to turning it off (to Auto, for general use)... or keeping it down ;-)

Best Shot:

- HS Night Shot: It's the 2nd option of the BS menu in the ZR400, not sure in the ZR850. For lower light levels, the best mode for near total dark scenes, allows focusing in those situations because of boosting the screen brightness. Better option when there's no direct source lights t on the picture frame. Maximum image resolution is reduced to 10 Mpx.

-HDR. Good alternative for night shots when there's some light sources in the frame. Better result when there's more light points in the shot taken.

-HS Night Scene, the old Night Scene, useful for night shots with sufficient available light.

Indoors:

Similar options than above. But for subjects not standing still, or if light is dim, the best option is to use the flash (Flash -> Auto and open, of course).

Landscapes, city: I prefer HDR for that. Better results when sun bright and there's contrast between shadows and highlights. If there's still daylight but not much (mainly if it's very cloudy), you can try with Aperture Priority with the higher aperture (lower f number), or Premium Auto. Low light comments can apply too. Important: Flash off, except for close shots in low light.

Remember the Multi SR Zoom to capture distant details.
One thing I know I will be doing is to take wrist shoots of my G-Shock watches against a background( I usually take that kind of photos to post on Facebook and watch forum WatchUseek since I am a G-Shock watch collector). So I wonder is there a setting where I can get a sharp focus on the watch on my wrist as well as on the scenery in the background?
Casio has exactly the feature that you are looking for:

* All-In-Focus Macro. In the Best Shot mode (for EX-ZR400 and probably other models, it's found in the mode dial option called "Focus Control", that includes too the "Blurred Background" feature). Not sure if any comparable camera of other brands have this feature.

If you haven't do it yet, get the manual here

http://support.casio.com/en/manual/manuallist.php?cid=001

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José Antonio
 
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If I use 900mm zoom I have to think to switch to SR zoom on the mode dial. Why not have just made this kick in automatically? Or put a multiframe switch somewhere?
Hi

Yes, it will be better not to change the dial mode and make Multi SR Zoom optional when using the digital zoom. As it's implemented, you can turn digital zoom on or off. If it's on, you can activate the single SR Zoom to substitute the normal digital zoom. So you get what you ask for, except that single SR Zoom has less quality than Multi SR Zoom.

I personally prefer to deactivate the digital zoom and use the dial mode to choose Multi SR Zoom, but yes, would be better to have the Multi SR Zoom as an option for digital zoom, not needing to use the mode dial.
 
I really like my 850. The only time I have reluctantly put it down is for indoor candids. Maybe I haven't found the right mode but the results in low light for people watching indoors were less than I expected.

Otherwise, it's the most "fun" camera I own. Very fast with amazing tele shots due to the digital magic that it performs.
Hi Marty

You tried with Premium Auto Pro?

Of course, there are better cameras for that, but only if you spend much more money and forget about putting the camera in your pocket, but I honestly doubt any other similar camera could perform even close.

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José Antonio
I tried this last night and you are correct. It was better than what I have experienced in the past. But it was still hit and miss with regard to focus in low light.

Thanks for the tip.
Hi Marty

If light it's too low for focusing, then you should try the HS Night Shot, the one at the first places of the Best Shot list.

Apart from being the better option for very dim lighten scenes, it boost the brightness of the screen, so instead an almost black screen in those occasions, you get a view on the screen almost like what you see with the naked eye and it's very hard not to get a good focus.

The resolution descends to 10 MPx and it's very noisy in extremely dark situations (but when it's almost impossible to see something, still gets a picture much brighter than what the naked eye can see) but for normal indoors light, should be more than sufficient to get a very decent final image.
 
I really like my 850. The only time I have reluctantly put it down is for indoor candids. Maybe I haven't found the right mode but the results in low light for people watching indoors were less than I expected.

Otherwise, it's the most "fun" camera I own. Very fast with amazing tele shots due to the digital magic that it performs.
Hi Marty

You tried with Premium Auto Pro?

Of course, there are better cameras for that, but only if you spend much more money and forget about putting the camera in your pocket, but I honestly doubt any other similar camera could perform even close.

---

José Antonio
I tried this last night and you are correct. It was better than what I have experienced in the past. But it was still hit and miss with regard to focus in low light.

Thanks for the tip.
Hi Marty

If light it's too low for focusing, then you should try the HS Night Shot, the one at the first places of the Best Shot list.

Apart from being the better option for very dim lighten scenes, it boost the brightness of the screen, so instead an almost black screen in those occasions, you get a view on the screen almost like what you see with the naked eye and it's very hard not to get a good focus.

The resolution descends to 10 MPx and it's very noisy in extremely dark situations (but when it's almost impossible to see something, still gets a picture much brighter than what the naked eye can see) but for normal indoors light, should be more than sufficient to get a very decent final image.
 
It has special tricks up it's sleeve. First, the lens is always wide open - a good thing for sharpness with small-sensor cameras - and the "stop down" function is done with an internal neutral-density filter. This means no little blades to vary the aperture, so no "star-burst" pattern around streetlights and such.
AHA That explains why I could never do anything with depth of field. It's been driving me mad.

Thanks
 
It has special tricks up it's sleeve. First, the lens is always wide open - a good thing for sharpness with small-sensor cameras - and the "stop down" function is done with an internal neutral-density filter. This means no little blades to vary the aperture, so no "star-burst" pattern around streetlights and such.
AHA That explains why I could never do anything with depth of field. It's been driving me mad.

Thanks
This small size sensor is losing so much already to diffraction so an even tinier aperture would mush things up even more. The neutral density filter is quite a good idea to help retain some detail.

The aperture is f/3.5 at the wide end and goes down from there as you zoom.

To get greater depth of field there's a best Shot mode called All in Focus Macro or some name like that. Download the PDF chart from http://support.casio.com/common/support/download_files/en/001/faq_pdf/ZR850/EXZR850_BS_E.pdf and explore what the camera does for each best Shot setting.

Regards..... Guy
 

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