Canon Pro-100 and CISS System?

From what I have read, Canon printers and CISS systems do not play well with each other. Canon uses sponges in the Cartridges to regulate ink flow. For a reason that I do not know, the ciss systems can starve a Canon print head. You might ask the guy at precision colors about why this is. I buy ink from him as well and he told me not to use the ciss on a canon. If one were to work ok, I would get it in a heart beat. Refilling ink carts is messy and a bit time consuming. I would print even more if I had a ciss. I had one on my old epson r260 and it worked great until the printer just died of over use. Let me know if you find one that works with the Pro 100.

JSB said:

I need some advice. I'm currently refilling my original CLI-42 cartridges in my Canon Pro-100 printer using PrecisionColors ink. I have been using this successfully for almost a year. Refilling is a small inconvenience, however, a better system is something I would consider. I've noticed a number of CISS systems advertised on e-bay for the Pro-100. Here are a couple of links:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EMPTY-ink-s...2507?pt=US_Ink_Cartridges&hash=item3a987ed6bb

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Empty-CISS-...t=US_Empty_Ink_Cartridges&hash=item19fa0adbf0

I'm thinking about possibly using one of these devices. I would continue to purchase and use the PrecisionColors inks in the CISS. Does anyone have experience with a CISS system for the Pro-100? Any downside to using this type of system? I like the idea of a large reservoir of ink and not having to remove and replace cartridges. My only concern is the reset chips. I'm not sure how this works. Would I still have to reset chips periodically even though the cartridge would remain full with ink supplied by the CISS? Any thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

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Three words for you. No No and No!

It simply is not a good idea on ANY if not all CANON printers with carts that ride on the head carriage. The lateral forces of the ink ribbon back and forth will quite often break the seal between cart and print head. CANON carts seal mainly by contact and not mechanically like EPSON carts do.

You will have to live with the inconvenience of refilling. DO not fall for ANY of the EBAY claims!!

If it worked well I would've jumped on it myself.

Joe

jtoolman said:

jtoolman wrote:
It simply is not a good idea on ANY if not all CANON printers with carts that ride on the head carriage. The lateral forces of the ink ribbon back and forth will quite often break the seal between cart and print head. CANON carts seal mainly by contact and not mechanically like EPSON carts do.

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Agree. And thanks for providing an explanation. I've wondered about "why" CISS and Canon desktop printers was a poor idea.

jtoolman said:

You will have to live with the inconvenience of refilling. DO not fall for ANY of the EBAY claims!!

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With older CLI-8 based printers, you can readily get virgin empties and have the equivalent of a "poor man's CISS". If you had lots of printing to do in a relatively short time, it was ok to have 5 to 10+ sets of cartridges "at the ready".

For now (and maybe for a long time) ... it is expensive to build up an inventory of carts. You can get great prices on the Pro-100 (in the USA), but at some point it is a nuisance to have the bulky boxes in storage.

Yes. I accept a $120 investment/year to build up a supply of carts/chips. Of course, it would be great if someone sold a set of the eight chips, as Precision Colors offer empty, clean compatible carts at a very fair price. I see chips available for refilling and rechipping laser toner cartridges.

Gesture said:

Gesture wrote:
Yes. I accept a $120 investment/year to build up a supply of carts/chips.

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I'm unclear what the $120 buys ... yet another Pro-100 from Canon on rebate? Or a set of eight CLI-42 cartridges?

Do you intend to build up an inventory of carts year by year? Or only expect to make so few prints per year that a set of CLI-42 will suffice?

Gradually build up sets of carts. Not interested at present at picking up another Pro-100. Also, some of my original carts are getting near replacement stage, so I accept that owning the Pro-100 means buying those $16 carts at times. Still a great value overall, I believe.

Dye printers don't suffice for everything but what I like about the Pro-100 is its image quality, no banding, no clogs, paper tracking, all of which surpass my Epson 1400 by a great margin.

Just got Pro-100 and I'm interested in a CISS system.

Looks like there is a new one that came out from inkproducts.com



Anyone tried it and can comment about this system?

rexb610 said:

Just got Pro-100 and I'm interested in a CISS system.

Looks like there is a new one that came out from inkproducts.com

http://www.inkproducts.com/ink-store441/product.php?productid=1288&page=1

Anyone tried it and can comment about this system?

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Oh my here we go again!

CISS on a CANON printer? The answer is NO....NO.... and oh yeah...NOOOOO!

Regardless of ANY claim by these companies, a CISS unit is NOT recommended for use on a CANON printer where the carts ride on top of the print head.

The contact point where carts seal against the print head is just that. Passive contact!

There is no ink stem and sealing O ring like on EPSON printer ( yes you can use CISS on EPSON without much problems ). However on a CANON the ink ribbon will be exerting constant reciprocating lateral forces against the damper set ( Your CISS Carts ) as you print. Though it MIGHT work at first it will very likely fail. And once it does fail, you will begin to starve your print head which will ultimately lead to having to buy a new print head.

Learn to refill and reset your original carts. That is your BEST option. Or go ahead and risk your print head by using a CISS.

If I sound like a know it all on this subject I apologize but actually I do know what I am talking about and I am simply trying to save you from spending $$$ on a bad idea though they sure make it sound good. These companies should be shot for even thinking about offering these options!

Go to precisioncolor and get their refill kit for the PRO-100. You will not be sorry!

Joe

I bought the deluxe package from Precision Inks and could not be happier. They do an outstanding job!! WELL WORTH THE MONEY and easy as pie.

rexb610 said:

Just got Pro-100 and I'm interested in a CISS system.

Looks like there is a new one that came out from inkproducts.com

http://www.inkproducts.com/ink-store441/product.php?productid=1288&page=1

Anyone tried it and can comment about this system?

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I have an inkproducts.com CISS on a Canon iX6520 printer that I use in my office (a great all-around printer, BTW - even makes passable photos.) After wrestling with the issues of the system for over a year, I finally gave up and ordered a set of refillable carts -- which should actually arrive today!

As some others have noted, there is an issue of a seal between the cart and the printhead. The biggest problem is that when the seal is interrupted the system won't pull ink from the reservoirs, which then means constant re-priming. (Yes, I've followed the maker's directions to the letter.) It was great when it was new, but after a few months of use the problems started to show up.

The company has some great products (their inks for the iX6520 are an absolute dead-ringer for Canon inks in terms of color balance), they're nice folks and their customer service is pretty good, but from my experience I'd say a CISS on a Canon is definitely a no-go.

Ok. Thanks for the heads-up on the CISS. I've been looking around Precision color ink website and looks like they now offer Ultimate Refill Kit with 8 Ready to Fill Canon Cartridges.

I don't mind the extra price difference but I wonder what would be easier. Drilling holes into the existing cartridge or switching the chips in between cartridges? I'm thinking the latter but kind of worried about the damaging the chip during change out or not staying put after I swap them.

rexb610 said:

Ok. Thanks for the heads-up on the CISS. I've been looking around Precision color ink website and looks like they now offer Ultimate Refill Kit with 8 Ready to Fill Canon Cartridges.

I don't mind the extra price difference but I wonder what would be easier. Drilling holes into the existing cartridge or switching the chips in between cartridges? I'm thinking the latter but kind of worried about the damaging the chip during change out or not staying put after I swap them.

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That's the one I got.. 8 tanks included for 156. I kept the old carts in case something happens in the future I only need to flush, drill and go. Good luck. It is easy, just watch the videos on the website.
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Canon 60D, Sigma 17-50mm 2.8, canon 18-200mm, 50mm 1.8, and 85mm 1.8

Practice removing from the new carts first, so in case you do something wrong... feel free to pm me if you need...
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Canon 60D, Sigma 17-50mm 2.8, canon 18-200mm, 50mm 1.8, and 85mm 1.8

A $69 CISS system with chips??? Do you really think this is a wise choice on EBay for any kind of printer? For example, chips alone on my printer are over $100. Silicon for printers is not cheap. Then there is the price for the cartridges and the refill system.

I will go out on a limb here, but I would think there is an increased probability of air bubbles in such a system. If that were to happen, good luck getting the ink to once again flow through the print head, and then without having to replace the print head itself. At least this would be true for my Epson printer.

JMHO

Bob

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A photographer with an attitude.

I dont have one of these printers to look at but it does sound like a CISS system could be made that actually works with cannon. It would just require a bit more thought to cancel out that lateral strain on the carts and add sponges.

Granted its easier just to buy refils =).

I bought a CISS system on ebay for 69 dollars. Garbage. I would not even install it, once I got it and saw the instructions, I returned it. It's a mickey mouse setup, I would not risk our professional printer on this.

I am in Europe, and looking at the Octoinkjet solution from the UK-anyone have any experience with them specifically on the Canon Pro-100?

jerryprague said:

I bought a CISS system on ebay for 69 dollars. Garbage. I would not even install it, once I got it and saw the instructions, I returned it. It's a mickey mouse setup, I would not risk our professional printer on this.

I am in Europe, and looking at the Octoinkjet solution from the UK-anyone have any experience with them specifically on the Canon Pro-100?

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I can not commet on speficic inks of kit for any printer, I am in the USA but Martin, the owner is a top guy and I am 100% his products are tops!

Joe

JSB said:

I need some advice. I'm currently refilling my original CLI-42 cartridges in my Canon Pro-100 printer using PrecisionColors ink. I have been using this successfully for almost a year. Refilling is a small inconvenience, however, a better system is something I would consider. I've noticed a number of CISS systems advertised on e-bay for the Pro-100. Here are a couple of links:

I'm thinking about possibly using one of these devices. I would continue to purchase and use the PrecisionColors inks in the CISS. Does anyone have experience with a CISS system for the Pro-100? Any downside to using this type of system? I like the idea of a large reservoir of ink and not having to remove and replace cartridges. My only concern is the reset chips. I'm not sure how this works. Would I still have to reset chips periodically even though the cartridge would remain full with ink supplied by the CISS? Any thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

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Ran across this thread when trying to find the CISS I bought. A friend wants to try out the same thing for his pro 100 to sell some of his fine art prints.

I realized this thread is old but still unanswered and didn't have any good info. I can share my personal experience with a Pro-100 CISS, which I have been using for almost a year now. I printed thousands of pages through it and have not had a problem. The only issue was making sure the hose was positioned correctly when I set it up, after that it has run flawlessly.

You don't have to reset the chips. After printing for a while your printer driver will give you a popup saying the cartridge is "out of ink" - but its not actually out since its always getting fresh ink through the hose. You just click okay, then hold down the resume button on the printer like the popup tells you. Then the printer won't detect ink on that cartridge any more. You only do this once for each color then it never nags you again.

Other people here mentioned being worried about things like air bubbles and the sponges. I have had no issues whatsoever with those. After I got it set up it has been cranking out many many prints for me. Way easier and faster than refilling individual cartridges.

The link you posted was from a Canadian seller and that auction ended. It looked to be sort of a weird system design too.. But here is the one I got a while back. Came with installation instructions and I wouldn't have wanted to install it without some good instructions: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-Pro-1...idge-chip-Continuous-Ink-System-/291667225217

Looks like they have one with ink and also without ink if you want to use your own ink supplier.

hi, that link for ebay didn't work, do you know if its still available please ?