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the new GF7
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Why can't reviewers ever review the flash system on a new camera? Why, why??!!
No mention if the unit can handle wireless flash - if not, with no hot shoe you are pretty much stuck. This was my main issue with the original GM1 and while they fixed it with the GM5 you rarely heard about it...except from the complaints of owners who could not expand their flash abilities after the purchase.
Grrrr.
I can't prove it but I'm pretty sure that you can connect external flash via cable.
On the other hand I've lost interest to camera flash systems several years ago, that is why I'm curious to know why external flash is so important for you.
it has to be dumbed down in some ways.. its GF entry level and priced accordingly i see it as already stamping on the more expensive GM5 toes..
i recon they have got it about right for its target market but its bound to hit sales of the GM5.. or the GM5 price has to drop..
Panasonic Lumix GF7 Review
Reviewed, the brand new Panasonic Lumix GF7, the compact, stylish, selfie camera with interchangeable lenses.
www.ephotozine.com
i can post the link now weird..
trog
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A lot of us do use flash, and on-camera flash creates just about the worst output you can imagine. With numerous threads dedicated to 'which RF trigger works" to 'anyone work with this flash?', with 4 threads currently active right now, m43 flash compatibility and output quality is a constant discussion around here.
And yet it is almost always ignored by reviewers. Half the time they don't even discuss flash at all - DPR has completely removed flash tests from all their reviews in case you didn't notice. No discussion of flash system features (wireless control, exposure comp, power controls, etc) let alone if the fill system actually can be depended upon (ask the guys posting on the "underexposure" thread right now for that one). The reviewers have fixated on whether or not ISO 6400 is useable with noise comparisons...and have completely walked away from their responsibility on reporting on a system that more people probably use more often than ISO 6400.
As I mentioned before, I've lost interest in external flashes, that is why I do not follow discussions about this matter. On other hand you seem to use external flash, and I'd like to know under what circumstances you do it, and, maybe, you can post a sample or two.
Well, sometimes I use built-in flash, outdoors only, as fill in flash.
Agree, this is entry level non-inspiring camera, Panasonic clone of E-PL7.
TN Args
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Then stop asking the guy questions about flash use. Are you baiting him? Your questions are unnecessary: everyone knows flashes can be of great assistance to photographers.
all these things have to be taken for what they are i cant really understand people who moan about missing features on an entry level camera.. do they have no idea of price points and target markets..
what i see is sightly larger GM5 with maybe a dial and tiny viewfinder missing but a swivel screen and pop flash added.. which ether makes the GM5 way over priced or the GF7 very good value for money..
i like what i see and the price of what i see.. the GM1 is a bit too small the GM5 a bit too expensive the GF7 is about as right as it could be.. not perfect but Panasonic have moved in the right direction..
and as a bonus it wont suffer from shutter shock ether.. he he..
trog
what i see is sightly larger GM5 with maybe a dial and tiny viewfinder missing but a swivel screen and pop flash added.. which ether makes the GM5 way over priced or the GF7 very good value for money..
i like what i see and the price of what i see.. the GM1 is a bit too small the GM5 a bit too expensive the GF7 is about as right as it could be.. not perfect but Panasonic have moved in the right direction..
and as a bonus it wont suffer from shutter shock ether.. he he..
trog
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honeyiscool
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I think it's a camera for first time mirrorless buyers.
And in that sense, it's kind of amazing. OK, it's $599 right now is a non-starter but let's assume that by November, it's selling for $399-449. At that point, it'll compete with the A5100.
Don't forget that it comes with arguably THE best kit lens of any camera in its price range. The 12-32 is fantastic and gives the camera the right form factor without resorting to a power zoom, which reduces responsiveness and adds several seconds to startup, shutdown, and lens changes. When you consider what that lens has sold for retail in the last year or so, you'll practically be getting the camera for free once it goes below $400.
I wish the kit lens for any camera in the $400-600 range was as good as the 12-32mm.
I predict that by the time it ships, dealers will be offering the camera at about $499. By the end of the year, it'll be $399.
Paid $399 CDN for the Fuji X-A1. The 16-50 kit lens is great!
Well, my gripe is regarding reviews of all cameras, this new review of the GF7 simply falls under the premise and allowed me to voice my displeasure about it.
They don't have to test every camera's flash system but how about simply listing the capabilities? The reviewers have dismissed flash so much that sometimes you must dig for any scrap of information regarding it as if it doesn't even matter - that's my complaint. I know it is a beginner camera but even beginners want to know how far they can take their equipment as they grow into its capabilities, the premise of the soccer-mom Canikon sale in a nutshell.
peppermonkey
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ThePalindrome
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Just checked, the 5100 is $598 (reduced from $698) with the pancake lens, so it's already competing. Olympus is selling the PL7 for 499 if you take the normale non-pancake kit zoom, 599 with pancake zoom. Fuji is 499 with non-pancake zoom. So there all the same price IMO.
No, no they don't, your point is well taken. I'm not talking about wireless flash, I'm talking about any flash feature details - they are ALL missing from reviews. ALL details. Can the built-in flash be bounced (by holding the flash) and what kind of results? Can you at least take a decent snapshot with the flash system or is the rotten thing so poorly programmed that a family snapshot in the living room turns out to be an underexposed disaster? Does the flash clear the standard kit lens and not vignette or does the lens hood get in the way? Is there a lot of redeye with the popup flash and/or does the built-in redeye reduction actually work?
Even beginners want to know SOMETHING about the flash system they will get when buying a camera.
Even beginners want to know SOMETHING about the flash system they will get when buying a camera.
Hi,
If you follow the link, you will find some short infor about built-in flash
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www.dpreview.com
honeyiscool
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If we're allowing for sale prices, then the A5100 was $498 just a month ago and Olympus E-PL7 only recently came down in price. I'm assuming a world in which every camera is at a discount.
And the E-PL7 is $499 body only and $599 with the non-pancake and rather mediocre (IMO) 14-42 II. If we project to November of this year, I'd expect a lot of cameras to be around $400.
Fuji, I'm not sure, really understands the market of first time mirrorless buyers in the context of entry level. They seem to understand those who come from DSLRs and already have the photo bug, but their entry level stuff doesn't really appeal to first time "real" camera buyers the way that Panasonic tries.
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its a tiny little camera with tiny little pop up flash.. these things dont have enough power to bounce but they are handy for close up indoor shots.. as for having a hot shoe.. physically there isnt room and nether is there room for a viewfinder..
i know one thing and i have compared it.. its image quality will be up there at the top.. the same as a GX7 not entirely bad for a new GF entry level camera..
maybe folks are getting bored with each new offering.. the only thing i think is unusual here is the GF level price.. some people still think it too much though.. he he..
i have a little i40 flash.. hold that in one hand and the camera in another and it works quite well.. it can work with wireless but stills work well without.. who needs a hot shoe anyway i cant say as i do.. on a little camera it all feels well out of balance with a flash stuck on the top even my small i40..
trog
i know one thing and i have compared it.. its image quality will be up there at the top.. the same as a GX7 not entirely bad for a new GF entry level camera..
maybe folks are getting bored with each new offering.. the only thing i think is unusual here is the GF level price.. some people still think it too much though.. he he..
i have a little i40 flash.. hold that in one hand and the camera in another and it works quite well.. it can work with wireless but stills work well without.. who needs a hot shoe anyway i cant say as i do.. on a little camera it all feels well out of balance with a flash stuck on the top even my small i40..
trog
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