You are perfectly describing a GH4 here (with PDAF exchanged by DOF, which works just as good or better)
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Zephir 750
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Right, it was about time.
slartz
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Well, I'd like to keep some features in:You are perfectly describing a GH4 here (with PDAF exchanged by DOF, which works just as good or better)
- Great IBIS
- Great OOC JPEGs
- Perfect balance of small size and comfortable grip and button layout
- Sub 500grams Body
- Plenty Customizable Buttons
MatsP
Senior Member
Yes I know they are dependent on others, but three years after Sony made the 4/3 16 MP sensor exclusively for Olympus you could expect some development from them.
Zephir 750
Senior Member
That's exactly what I was hoping for.
julieng
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rurikw
Senior Member
I can understand your point of view. It's just that I am so addicted to the tilt and swivel screen and take almost as many photos in portrait orientation often overhead and from all kinds of awkward positions. People have different needs obviously so I think it could be quite a smart move if someone introduced interchangeable screens.
slartz
Senior Member
Smaller and lighter.
IBIS, IBIS, and IBIS again
Better colors in OOC JPEGs
Very good ergonomics (2x2 and all)
Did I mention IBIS?
Incredible weather sealing with 12-40 "Kit" lens.
Doesn't the gh4 have stabilization and good ergonomics? The em5 needed an add on grip. That's not good ergonomics. And can't you use the 12-40 on the gh4, where using something like the 7-14 gives you purple blobs on Olympus? And I haven't seen the video specs for the em52, and they may be improved, but will they be as good?Smaller and lighter.
IBIS, IBIS, and IBIS again
Better colors in OOC JPEGs
Very good ergonomics (2x2 and all)
Did I mention IBIS?
Incredible weather sealing with 12-40 "Kit" lens.
I am looking at jumping in but can't decide, so I don't have a dog in this fight, just wondering what I missed.
Maybe, or maybe not. There are other M43 options that smaller and lighter.
This is for you. For me - no suspended sensor. I want sensor to be welded into the body, so I have proper sensor cooling, and no suspicions about shutter shock. There are other old fashion options to stabilize camera, and I know how to use them.IBIS, IBIS, and IBIS again
Come on. Keep this for yourself
2 x 2, 4 x 4, and whatever else. GH4 is perfect in hands, and straight forward in menu structure
Yes, you didDid I mention IBIS?
I think that in this case weather sealing is quite credible for those who may concerned.
julieng
Leading Member
Just because some soccer mom somewhere in South Elbonia bought a GH4 to video from the stans her kid playing baseball, in auto-everything mode using the built in mic, it should not devaluate the GH4 as a tool.
Yes I can imagine that some are going to shoot in merge mode by default. Their problem...
slartz
Senior Member
No stabilization for GH4... There's stabilization in some of the lenses (mainly the zoom ones) but not in most primes and also some zooms are missing.Doesn't the gh4 have stabilization and good ergonomics? The em5 needed an add on grip. That'sSmaller and lighter.
IBIS, IBIS, and IBIS again
Better colors in OOC JPEGs
Very good ergonomics (2x2 and all)
Did I mention IBIS?
Incredible weather sealing with 12-40 "Kit" lens.
You are right about EM5... I was referring to EM1
Can't use the 12-40 and still get IS.
If you want Video - GH4 is your friend. it's a killer cam for video. Oly is years behind no questions asked. I don't do Video. EM5 might have better video though. Keep in mind if u wanna shoot video with Prime lenses, lack of IBIS is a huge nono.
slartz
Senior Member
There are others for sure. But specifically EM1 is 497 grams vs 560grams of GH4. And physically, the GH4 is taller and thicker.
Fair enough. I love IS. I love getting IS in my primes. It's one of the main reasons for me to switch to Olympus...This is for you. For me - no suspended sensor. I want sensor to be welded into the body, so I have proper sensor cooling, and no suspicions about shutter shock. There are other old fashion options to stabilize camera, and I know how to use them.IBIS, IBIS, and IBIS again
Why? I can't express my opinions? I like the output from Olympus better, and I'd rather minimize RAW editing to extreme conditions only.
I'll give you that. I LOVE the ergonomics of the EM1, but I'm sure I'll be happy with GH 4 in that sense too...
I believe the GH4 is properly weather sealed - I do not have anything to base it on, but from the way its built it feels that way. HOWEVER, I have read a lot of complaining threads on the 12-35/2.8IS in terms of weather sealing. It is sealed to some degree, but it cannot withstand REAL abuse in terms of weather. After reading quite a bit of threads here on DPR on ppl who had moisture getting into their 12-35 - I would not be very comfortable walking with it in the rain uncovered. The 12-40 is really truly sealed. (and the 12-40 won't go on a GH4 cause then u get no IS...)Yes, you didDid I mention IBIS?
I think that in this case weather sealing is quite credible for those who may concerned.
Anyway - to each his own. we have plenty of selection options - I think this thread started with "Why would anyone choose EM1 over GH4" - so here are the reasons. They may not apply to everyone, but for me, the size and weight, IBIS, Colors, Weather Sealing and Ergonomics are the main reasons. If I prioritized video or tracking AF, or dedicated ISO buttons, I'd take Panasonic.
slartz
Senior Member
The EM1 does not need a grip
and for EM5 - you can put just the landscape grip - it's not so heavy
in any case - to each his own
and for EM5 - you can put just the landscape grip - it's not so heavy
in any case - to each his own
MatsP
Senior Member
Retro styled or not, it's a beautiful design, and that's not unimportant to many, including me. Can't help I think the typical DSLR design is ugly (which the GH4 reminds me on) while a classic slr like an OM1 is an excellent piece of design and functionality. I'm probably old enough to appreciate the EM5II design because it reminds me of a classic slr, but it has modern dslr-like controls, which I have nothing against.
Jim Salvas
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I haven't seen anyone mention it yet, but there is a new icon on the mode dial, between the SCN and movie icon. I'd guess that's the 40mp mode.
I need IS when I use lens with FL longer than 75mm handheld. I keep OIS on my primary 14-45 ZOOM "OFF" all the time for the very same reason - I want to avoid vibration.There are others for sure. But specifically EM1 is 497 grams vs 560grams of GH4. And physically, the GH4 is taller and thicker.
Fair enough. I love IS. I love getting IS in my primes. It's one of the main reasons for me to switch to Olympus...This is for you. For me - no suspended sensor. I want sensor to be welded into the body, so I have proper sensor cooling, and no suspicions about shutter shock. There are other old fashion options to stabilize camera, and I know how to use them.IBIS, IBIS, and IBIS again
RAW editing takes less time than JEPG editing, that is why I use RAW.
I do not do video, I use GH2, I have no reasons to replace it.I'll give you that. I LOVE the ergonomics of the EM1, but I'm sure I'll be happy with GH 4 in that sense too...
I believe the GH4 is properly weather sealed - I do not have anything to base it on, but from the way its built it feels that way. HOWEVER, I have read a lot of complaining threads on the 12-35/2.8IS in terms of weather sealing. It is sealed to some degree, but it cannot withstand REAL abuse in terms of weather. After reading quite a bit of threads here on DPR on ppl who had moisture getting into their 12-35 - I would not be very comfortable walking with it in the rain uncovered. The 12-40 is really truly sealed. (and the 12-40 won't go on a GH4 cause then u get no IS...)Yes, you didDid I mention IBIS?
I think that in this case weather sealing is quite credible for those who may concerned.
Anyway - to each his own. we have plenty of selection options - I think this thread started with "Why would anyone choose EM1 over GH4" - so here are the reasons. They may not apply to everyone, but for me, the size and weight, IBIS, Colors, Weather Sealing and Ergonomics are the main reasons. If I prioritized video or tracking AF, or dedicated ISO buttons, I'd take Panasonic.
My problems with Olympus are:
1 for a long time Oly did not produce camera with built-in EVF, so I got used to Panasonic.
2. I do not trust the brand that sells enormous amounts of refurbished and reconditioned products (other words I have quality concerns)
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