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First images of the soon to come E-M5II.

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Martin.au said:
I wonder if we're seeing some clever stratification of the OM-D line.

I'm wondering if Olympus are going E-M5 -> Landscapes and studio optimised. E-M1 -> wildlife, sport, like the D4/D810 combo.
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What is studio optimized in this day and age ?
Martin.au said:
That would make a lot of sense, and would be a persuasive argument for people to own both E-Mx models.
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Not enough to warrant an upgrade. My EM-5 will do me fine, thank you very much. I'm sure, like most camera manufacturers, they have a glut of new technology and are only willing to give out a tiny bit each model. Keeps us all coming to the trough. I was really hoping for an improved C-AF mode similar to, or if not better than the EM-1. Fair enough, I keep a little more jingle in my pocket. At least Olympus is bringing out more awesome glass. That is much more important.

Cheers

Wayne
 
Bangers and Mash said:
Not enough to warrant an upgrade. My EM-5 will do me fine, thank you very much. I'm sure, like most camera manufacturers, they have a glut of new technology and are only willing to give out a tiny bit each model. Keeps us all coming to the trough. I was really hoping for an improved C-AF mode similar to, or if not better than the EM-1. Fair enough, I keep a little more jingle in my pocket. At least Olympus is bringing out more awesome glass. That is much more important.

Cheers

Wayne
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forget C-AF within the M43rd's system.

it's not good enough.
 
amonsul said:
I mean they should have developed a new sensor.
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Olympus does not develop any sensors that I know of. They could have selected a different sensor from a third party, with higher pixel density, but I do not believe that any sensor currently available on the market can deliver a higher resolution while at the same time equal/higher Signal/Noise ratio AND equal/higher DR, hence there would be a performance cost to using a higher density sensor at the expense of Noise and/or DR and the overall performance would drop below that currently offered on APS-C 24Mpix (which is marginally superior still to the best 16Mpix M43 sensor available right now).

Photosites on 16Mpix M43 sensor are 1.08x smaller than those of a 24Mpix APS-C sensor, and would be 1.63x smaller if it were 24Mpix M43 sensor, how can M43 possibly compete on Noise and DR with such smaller photosites? Hence, noise control is perhaps the most challenging issue with M43 at the moment. Recent developments on NR algorithms have closed the gap, but nonetheless, the sensor technology still has to come a long way and the RAW noise data hasn't changed all that much in the past two years.

Don't you think that Olympus wouldn't jump on it if it was such a sensor available? This is what every camera manufacturer dream of.

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Roger
 
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I dunno, the GH4 has pretty great C-AF without PDAF, even when it can't use DFD (like when using an Olympus lens). Maybe they just brute forced it with a honkin' CPU, which they'd presumably need for 4k video anyway?
 
amonsul said:
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http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-first-images-of-the-new-olympus-e-m5ii/

No info on EVF yet but I am disappointed to see Olympus uses the same E-5m sensor :(
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The sensor is still only part of the equation. As a former shooter of the old E-system DSLR's I remember people being disappointed that the E-5 used the old sensor, but the improvements that Olympus had made in getting better output from that same sensor were huge, and I'd just as soon they go with a similar formula until they are ready to upgrade to a much better sensor.

As a second body for my EM-1, and hopefully a better landscape camera, this will do nicely. If I wanted/needed a huge improvement, I would just change formats now.

Cheers,

Wally
 
rogerstpierre said:
amonsul said:
I mean they should have developed a new sensor.
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Olympus does not develop any sensors that I know of. They could have selected a different sensor from a third party, with higher pixel density, but I do not believe that any sensor currently available on the market can deliver a higher resolution while at the same time equal/higher Signal/Noise ratio AND equal/higher DR, hence there would be a performance cost to using a higher density sensor at the expense of Noise and/or DR and the overall performance would drop below that currently offered on APS-C 24Mpix (which is marginally superior still to the best 16Mpix M43 sensor available right now).

Photosites on 16Mpix M43 sensor are 1.08x smaller than those of a 24Mpix APS-C sensor, and would be 1.63x smaller if it were 24Mpix M43 sensor, how can M43 possibly compete on Noise and DR with such smaller photosites? Hence, noise control is perhaps the most challenging issue with M43 at the moment. Recent developments on NR algorithms have closed the gap, but nonetheless, the sensor technology still has to come a long way and the RAW noise data hasn't changed all that much in the past two years.

Don't you think that Olympus wouldn't jump on it if it was such a sensor available? This is what every camera manufacturer dream of.
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intruder61 said:
Bangers and Mash said:
Not enough to warrant an upgrade. My EM-5 will do me fine, thank you very much. I'm sure, like most camera manufacturers, they have a glut of new technology and are only willing to give out a tiny bit each model. Keeps us all coming to the trough. I was really hoping for an improved C-AF mode similar to, or if not better than the EM-1. Fair enough, I keep a little more jingle in my pocket. At least Olympus is bringing out more awesome glass. That is much more important.

Cheers

Wayne
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forget C-AF within the M43rd's system.

it's not good enough.
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Never say never. The sophistication of the software continues to improve.
 
I would guess that the new 14-150mm lens is optically very similar to the existing design. There may be more metal and less plastic in the body. If it turnes out to be weather-sealed, this could be a new single kit lens approach.

Herbert
 
LaMesa said:
I would guess that the new 14-150mm lens is optically very similar to the existing design. There may be more metal and less plastic in the body. If it turnes out to be weather-sealed, this could be a new single kit lens approach.
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I must admit, that new lens is almost as intriguing as all the camera rumors. I'm assuming it'll be weather sealed from looking at it. As much as I have not been a fan of superzooms in the past, that would be a really great kit if it is weather sealed, something to reduce my overall bulk on long hikes when I'm less concerned with ultimate IQ and more concerned with just getting the shot.

Wally
 
re the new 14-150-- I agree and hope that it is "good one", and weather sealed. I can't see just cosmetic changes making much sense. I used to own the Pan/Leica 14-150 and it was a superb lens on the Oly 4/3 bodies, so high quality super zooms can be made, but at what cost?

JL
 
400trix said:
intruder61 said:
Bangers and Mash said:
Not enough to warrant an upgrade. My EM-5 will do me fine, thank you very much. I'm sure, like most camera manufacturers, they have a glut of new technology and are only willing to give out a tiny bit each model. Keeps us all coming to the trough. I was really hoping for an improved C-AF mode similar to, or if not better than the EM-1. Fair enough, I keep a little more jingle in my pocket. At least Olympus is bringing out more awesome glass. That is much more important.

Cheers

Wayne
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forget C-AF within the M43rd's system.

it's not good enough.
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Never say never. The sophistication of the software continues to improve.
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Paulmorgan said:
Martin.au said:
I wonder if we're seeing some clever stratification of the OM-D line.

I'm wondering if Olympus are going E-M5 -> Landscapes and studio optimised. E-M1 -> wildlife, sport, like the D4/D810 combo.
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What is studio optimized in this day and age ?
Paulmorgan said:
That would make a lot of sense, and would be a persuasive argument for people to own both E-Mx models.
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There are certain features that are better in studio settings than in rapid-fire settings. For instance, the fully articulated screen (which I prefer on a tripod) vs. a tilt screen (which I prefer handheld).
 
jharvey said:
It also probably means that those who do want the larger grip can use the same one they already have for the Mark 1.
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I hope the original grip fits, because I would not like to spend another $300 AUD on it.
 
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Ah, that classic OM pentaprism look gives me a woody! LOL Personally, I find the original OM1/OM2 to be among the nicest looking cameras ever made.

Refined grip, with the shutter release moved forward a bit, allowing for some additional buttons on top. Nice. The back view shows that the hinge for the LCD appears to be on the left, indicating it may be fully articulated.

Please sneak in a silent electronic shutter.
 
Martin.au said:
I wonder if we're seeing some clever stratification of the OM-D line.

I'm wondering if Olympus are going E-M5 -> Landscapes and studio optimised. E-M1 -> wildlife, sport, like the D4/D810 combo.
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SPORT? I don't think Olympus is actually trying to attract sport shooters. If they had, they'd build a PROPER pdaf based CAF solution.

The CAF on EM1 is far from attracting sports shooters. and it's not just because it's not a DSLR. The Sony A6000 kicks it hand down despite being half the camera. If Oly wants EM1 to be a sports camera - I would say they should think about (in EM1-II)

- Much improved PDAF based C-AF

- Much faster shooting with C-AF (6.5fps is hardly fast today)

- Much better "viewfinder usability" during continuous shooting
Martin.au said:
That would make a lot of sense, and would be a persuasive argument for people to own both E-Mx models.
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Also - I can hardly see the EM1 trying to compete with D4... the EM1 is clearly a PRO Camera, which meets in terms of build quality and ergonomics other "Pro Level" cameras in the DSLR world like 5DIII, D810, 7DII (if we're looking at crop), etc. It does NOT compete against 1D or D4... even when you add a grip (you can add a grip on D810)

For me - the EM5 is simply the middle range camera. you can't compare it with D810 - it's more of a midrange camera - just look at max shutter (1/4000, REALLY?!?!?!), while the EM1 is a top-of-the-line Pro, rugged camera.

Sure, you can use the EM5 in a studio. it will do the work. but so will the EM1. And for Landscape? I mean - sure you can use it, but the EM1 is much better built to be taken outside for landscape photography. The EM5 is weather sealed, but it's far from having a D810/5DIII build quality to withstand rough terrain, rain, snow, etc.

The way I see it, Olympus are much more focused here:

EM1 - Top of the Line - Equiv to 7DII / 5DIII / D810

EM5 - Enthusiast Camera - Equiv to 6D / 70D / D600 / D7100 (maybe.. cause D7100 is kinda in between 70D and 7DII) - Although the 1/4000 shutter is kinda unacceptable in this category. Comparing it to mirrorless, the EM5 also fits the upcoming A7000, and to some degree even the XT1.

EM10 - Entry Level Camera - Equiv to APS-C "higher" entrylevel models like D5300, 700D, A6000, etc.
 
Peter 1745 said:
amonsul said:
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http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-first-images-of-the-new-olympus-e-m5ii/
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The things that catch my are
  1. New position of strap lugs. They are further forward than before. About time.
  2. Flash sync socket top right of picture.
  3. New button(??) on face of camera (bottom left of picture).
  4. Loss of accessory socket and no inbuilt flash.
  5. Articulating LCD screen
  6. 2x2 switch
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What is a 2x2 switch?
Peter 1745 said:
  1. 4 named function buttons with a probable 5th on the front
  2. No dedicated 'MySet' position on PASM dial
  3. On/off switch now on top next to PASM dial.
Most of the changes require little comment, however I am intrigued by the loss of the accessory port. It's not a great loss as I only ever used it for the the kit flash. But now it isn't there the current kit flashes won't work. This means there is likely to be new kit flash. Hopefully it will be small and have master/controller capabilities. Currently the smallest external flash (apart from the kit ones) with this capability is the FL-600R.

The inclusion of a flash sync socket means that Olympus is considering the needs of flash users even though none of the current Olympus flash units has a sync socket.

The only thing I don't like about the new body is the position of the on/off switch but it something I could learn to live with.

I would have preferred a couple of dedicated 'My Set' positions on the PASM dial but it may be that Olympus has improved My Set's software implementation and they may more user friendly on the LCD.

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Regards,
Peter
'Keep taking the photos'
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MatsP said:
Martin.au said:
I wonder if we're seeing some clever stratification of the OM-D line.

I'm wondering if Olympus are going E-M5 -> Landscapes and studio optimised. E-M1 -> wildlife, sport, like the D4/D810 combo.

That would make a lot of sense, and would be a persuasive argument for people to own both E-Mx models.
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Yes, I think so, and it's a wise step for Olympus to take I believe. But I thought they should take this step by bringing a new high-res sensor into EM5 and enhancing PDAF and low-light performance in EM1. Maybe there is no high-res MFT sensor available yet so they try sensor-shift instead. But as there are good 20MP 1" sensors it wouldn't be impossible to make a 24 MP mft one. So I'm a little confused.
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Oly doesn't make their own sensors so they're shackled by the roadmap and motivations of others... Now if we were talking about a Panasonic...
 
skylight126 said:
Interesting to see many welcome the articulating screen. Personally, I think articulating screen is cumbersome and is too flexy for touch screen even with locked positions. I know it will need just light tap and we are not pushing, but still, the swing out screen is not sturdy enough and practical. I was a big fan of articulating non-touch screen when I used Canon G series. Now I like the tilted screen on my OMD and Pen better. For me, this move is a more negative than positive.

Since the accessory port is missing and no built-in pop up flash, wondering if Olympus will include a bundle flash and if that flash can be a commander in wireless flash mode.

All the dials got modified and look more solid. Look like the PSAM now has middle locking button.

Does anyone know what the black circle thing (button?) next to AF assist beam is? And does it have built in wifi?
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I prefer the tilting screen myself, mostly because it's quicker to use and doesn't hang out there as much as the fully articulated... But I think the crowd that buys OMDs probably prefers the fully articulated option overall for it's greater versatility, whereas tilting seems like a better fit for PENs. You would've thought they'd put this on the E-M1 first tho...

The sensor shift stuff is interesting but if that's the new major highlight it'll be a pass for me, probably, might still take a look depending on how much video has improved. What I really want is a mid sized body with PDAF or DFD (+ possibly 4K video) and Oly/Panasonic seem to be dragging their feet on this
 
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