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Hi,

I just noticed for the first time that all Fujifilm cameras have new camera profiles like Camera Astia, Camera Provia and Camera Velvia in Lightroom. However, I cannot find the location of the these profiles. All other profiles are there, like Nikon D40 etc., but the Fujifilm profiles are not (except for the Adobe Standard profiles). Are they hidden now? They don't even show up in DNG Profile Editor.

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Martijn
 
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Are you using the latest version of LR? The Fuji profiles are available for my X-E2, and X-E1. Also they are only available for RAW files.
 
Jim Cassatt said:
Are you using the latest version of LR? The Fuji profiles are available for my X-E2, and X-E1. Also they are only available for RAW files.

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This is the important part: camera profiles are a available only for raw files.
 
They seem to be contained in the Fujifilm X-x#(Camera Model) Adobe Standard.dcp (.dcp Which I take as Digital Camera Profile). They are in 2 locations

C:\Users\All Users\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\Adobe Standard

And

C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\Adobe Standard

One of those is for Lightroom and the other for ACR.

They are not Fuji supplied profiles. Adobe created them to match, as close as possible, the Fuji In Camera settings/options.
 
Thanks, I'll see if I'm able to subtract them from the Adobe Standard file. I didn't know multiple profiles could be embedded in one file.
 
martijnkruiten said:
I cannot find any reference to any of the camera specific profiles inside the Adobe Standard profile. It's still a mystery to me where and why they've hidden them. Here's the profile in xml format: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8WhiGL3PYnFNFd4ZmRlTDliZzg/view?usp=sharing.
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I think I can confirm that. I made the Adobe standard profile 'invisible' (by putting a tilde in front of the filename). When I started Lr, the Adobe standard profile was no longer in the list, but the Camera emulations were still there.
 
robert1955 said:
martijnkruiten said:
I cannot find any reference to any of the camera specific profiles inside the Adobe Standard profile. It's still a mystery to me where and why they've hidden them. Here's the profile in xml format: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8WhiGL3PYnFNFd4ZmRlTDliZzg/view?usp=sharing.
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I think I can confirm that. I made the Adobe standard profile 'invisible' (by putting a tilde in front of the filename). When I started Lr, the Adobe standard profile was no longer in the list, but the Camera emulations were still there.
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Well maybe LR and ACR are reading these in camera profiles from the RAF RAW file. Maybe they are embedded in the RAW file.
 
Edward Chatlos said:
robert1955 said:
martijnkruiten said:
I cannot find any reference to any of the camera specific profiles inside the Adobe Standard profile. It's still a mystery to me where and why they've hidden them. Here's the profile in xml format: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8WhiGL3PYnFNFd4ZmRlTDliZzg/view?usp=sharing.
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I think I can confirm that. I made the Adobe standard profile 'invisible' (by putting a tilde in front of the filename). When I started Lr, the Adobe standard profile was no longer in the list, but the Camera emulations were still there.
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Well maybe LR and ACR are reading these in camera profiles from the RAF RAW file. Maybe they are embedded in the RAW file.
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As far as I know Adobe programs don't read the makers' profile tags from the raw files unless those files are DNG. Pentax offers the option of its own PEF or generic DNG for raw. In the Camera Calibration tab of LR/ACR you can find Embedded for DNGs but not for PEFs.

So while the profiles are embedded in the raw files they aren't normally accessible to LR/ACR., unless of course things have recently changed ...
 
I don't think anything has changed, since the Lightroom emulations are notably different from the Fujifilm SOOC jpegs. They must have hidden them on purpose for some reason. Maybe some kind of deal with Fujifilm. It's a shame, as I planned on applying the X100T profiles on my X100 pictures (Classic Chrome and Pro Neg. Std/Hi). It worked for me in the past with different cameras, though I can imagine it would fail this time because of vastly different image sensors. I'm still not sure if a camera profile is applied on a neutral base rendering of the raw image, or on the raw data directly. But that's for another post. It's sad I can't find this out for myself. I hope someone will be able to locate them.
 
martijnkruiten said:
I don't think anything has changed, since the Lightroom emulations are notably different from the Fujifilm SOOC jpegs. They must have hidden them on purpose for some reason. Maybe some kind of deal with Fujifilm. It's a shame, as I planned on applying the X100T profiles on my X100 pictures (Classic Chrome and Pro Neg. Std/Hi). It worked for me in the past with different cameras, though I can imagine it would fail this time because of vastly different image sensors. I'm still not sure if a camera profile is applied on a neutral base rendering of the raw image, or on the raw data directly. But that's for another post. It's sad I can't find this out for myself. I hope someone will be able to locate them.
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The Lightroom and ACR profiles are installed when you run installation to a specific location which was included in an earlier post. They are accessed by LR/ACR you are working with a raw file in the develop module Camera Calibration selection. What displays there are specific the the camera model of the raw file.

The profiles are specific to LR/ACR and only utilized by LR/ACR. They cannot be altered or utilized from any other location.

In addition every time a new or updated version of LR is installed they will be overwritten.

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If you use something like ExifTool and edit the camera type in the RAF, you can fool it - but in this case, I doubt whether this would work as you're dealing with different sensors.
 
Thanks for your help.

To be clear: I do know where the dcp files should be located, but they are not there for the Fujifilm cameras. For any other brand, they are where they should be. I'm also aware of what they do and how they are used. The thing is, Adobe DNG Profile Editor can access all dcp files if the proper raw file is selected, but not the camera specific Fujifilm dcp files. Again, this applies only to Fujifilm and not to any other camera brand that has camera specific profiles.

To summarize: dcp files are not there for Fujifilm, but are there for any other camera and Adobe DNG Profile Editor can access any dcp file for any camera, except for the Fujifilm camera specific dcp profiles. Just to make sure we are on the same level.

Now, if I understand you correctly, the Fujifilm dcp files are only there if you install Photoshop/Lightroom to a custom location? Is that what you are saying? If so, I will try that and see if they suddenly appear.
 
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martijnkruiten said:
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Now, if I understand you correctly, the Fujifilm dcp files are only there if you install Photoshop/Lightroom to a custom location? Is that what you are saying? If so, I will try that and see if they suddenly appear.
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Don't t5hink he is saying that. He is probably referring to this post by Edward Chatlos which gives the standard path
 
Very sad, because I wanted to to optimize the tone curves with adobe´s DNG-Profile-Editor.

Also the profile is not embedded in the DNG file. The colors of the Fujifilm emulation is nice, but most of the profiles are to contrasty.

In general I tweaked most of my Nikon Profile with adobe´s DNG-Editor, but the DNG does not contain the Fujifilm profiles.

I could not find the new DCP-File of any Fujifilm. Only the Adobe DCP for the Fujifilm is accesible.
 
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