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Hi anyone buy from this seller on ebay? very low prices & include VAT? seems under the actual cost price(at least here in Denmark) of the D810

as a business I can buy without VAT in the EU, but seller won't sell it that way,even though they are VAT reg.??

is this a red flag? hard to know who to trust these days

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Nikon digital bodies come with a warranty which applies only in Europe if an official EEC import, only in USA if an official USA import etc.

In the UK one importer seems to claim their grey imports can be repaired in Manchester - by a firm who is not listed by Nikon as an official repairer.

What co-operation you might get on a D810 grey import warranty is unclear if you do not send it back to the Far East or wherever it was intended to be sold.

VAT can only be paid by companies based in the EEC so if the source is outside the EEC VAT is unlikely to have been paid. Some firms act as agents rather than retailers. My advice is check the web site very carefully and get a VAT registration number before parting with any money to avoid the risk of being caught for VAT as an extra.
 
shutterbobby said:
A Owens said:
shutterbobby said:
Hi anyone buy from this seller on ebay? very low prices & include VAT? seems under the actual cost price(at least here in Denmark) of the D810

as a business I can buy without VAT in the EU, but seller won't sell it that way,even though they are VAT reg.??

is this a red flag? hard to know who to trust these days

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321561129654?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Thanks
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shutterbobby said:
Hi anyone buy from this seller on ebay? very low prices & include VAT? seems under the actual cost price(at least here in Denmark) of the D810

as a business I can buy without VAT in the EU, but seller won't sell it that way,even though they are VAT reg.??

is this a red flag? hard to know who to trust these days
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Trust??? You ARE joking right? You 'trust' yourself, and your 'better=half'.

No one else. Not your political representative, your banker, your local cops.

Not anyone!

;-)
 
ImageAmateur said:
shutterbobby said:
is this a red flag? hard to know who to trust these days
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Trust??? You ARE joking right? You 'trust' yourself, and your 'better=half'.

No one else. Not your political representative, your banker, your local cops.
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I can see how you'd read the OP's statement differently than from the perspective of how it's written.

Some countries (probably most) seem to me to have the default assumption that anyone you don't know is not really trustworthy. This includes also local government officials, etc.

Denmark is (or at least used to be) different. The basic assumption here is that you trust other people, unless you have a specific reason or previous experience to tell you otherwise. This has shaped our industry landscape and how we do business also, including the cooperative movements that originated some 200 years back. Some claim it goes back to the Vikings or even before, and that social trust been a strong influential shaper on our society and has created stability and a lot of wealth.

Trust on the internet, of course, is not a default assumption that you should follow blindly... :-)

Anyway, nothing to do with the ebay seller, but since you brought it up, here you go.

- Per.
 
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Per Baekgaard said:
ImageAmateur said:
shutterbobby said:
is this a red flag? hard to know who to trust these days
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Trust??? You ARE joking right? You 'trust' yourself, and your 'better=half'.

No one else. Not your political representative, your banker, your local cops.
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I can see how you'd read the OP's statement differently than from the perspective of how it's written.

Some countries (probably most) seem to me to have the default assumption that anyone you don't know is not really trustworthy. This includes also local government officials, etc.

Denmark is (or at least used to be) different. The basic assumption here is that you trust other people, unless you have a specific reason or previous experience to tell you otherwise. This has shaped our industry landscape and how we do business also, including the cooperative movements that originated some 200 years back. Some claim it goes back to the Vikings or even before, and that social trust been a strong influential shaper on our society and has created stability and a lot of wealth.
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After haved lived & worked in DK for 20 yrs now with my own business, I can say that 99% of the time I can trust Danish people.I give them an instrument for say £2000 and they can try it for a week or so & either buy or return ,never any problems & no legal paperwork needed. Would never!! do this is the US for example.For me trust is important & gives me lifetime customers.

Per Baekgaard said:
Trust on the internet, of course, is not a default assumption that you should follow blindly... :-)

Anyway, nothing to do with the ebay seller, but since you brought it up, here you go.

- Per.
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A Owens said:
shutterbobby said:
A Owens said:
shutterbobby said:
Hi anyone buy from this seller on ebay? very low prices & include VAT? seems under the actual cost price(at least here in Denmark) of the D810

as a business I can buy without VAT in the EU, but seller won't sell it that way,even though they are VAT reg.??

is this a red flag? hard to know who to trust these days

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321561129654?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Thanks
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shutterbobby said:
Hi I was not insulting UK members,only the online sellers in the UK who claim to be VAT reg. but will not sell without VAT.. or give me a VAT invoice
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UK based companies registered for VAT have by law to give you a VAT invoice on request.

Care is needed as several apparent UK online sellers are based in the Far East and do not pay the VAT.

Their terms and conditions usually make it clear they pay no taxes, the buyer is responsible for all taxes, breach of trademark and even breach of EEC electrical regulations if the charger is not CE marked.

Often newly launched items advertised at 20% or less below UK street are grey imports with no European warranty on a Nikon body and no VAT paid.

If you read the customs link provided earlier you cannot have an item "VAT free" from a UK VAT registered retailer without the retailer carrying out considerable detailed paperwork and investigation likely to take maybe a couple of hours work and perhaps 2 weeks overall to complete the "due diligence" checks. It is likely the cost of doing the checks for a one-off order would exceed the profit on a D810 so I can understand UK (and probably other EEC retailers) not being prepared to ship without charging VAT.

It is straightforward for a UK VAT registered buyer to offset VAT paid to a VAT registered company outside the UK as part of their quarterly VAT return. When I did VAT returns for the photographic company I used to own there was an appropriate section on the VAT return form. If your country makes such offset recoveries "difficult" that is hardly the fault of anybody in the UK.

If in fact you are looking at a grey import with 20% or more off with no VAT paid you have to add the VAT to the advertised cost and factor in the "negative value" of any body warranty issue having to go back to whichever Nikon company outside the EEC gave the warranty.

--
Leonard Shepherd
Is where you are in photography best defined by your recent photos or the equipment you own?
 
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Leonard Shepherd said:
shutterbobby said:
Hi I was not insulting UK members,only the online sellers in the UK who claim to be VAT reg. but will not sell without VAT.. or give me a VAT invoice
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UK based companies registered for VAT have by law to give you a VAT invoice on request.

Care is needed as several apparent UK online sellers are based in the Far East and do not pay the VAT.

Their terms and conditions usually make it clear they pay no taxes, the buyer is responsible for all taxes, breach of trademark and even breach of EEC electrical regulations if the charger is not CE marked.

Often newly launched items advertised at 20% or less below UK street are grey imports with no European warranty on a Nikon body and no VAT paid.

If you read the customs link provided earlier you cannot have an item "VAT free" from a UK VAT registered retailer without the retailer carrying out considerable detailed paperwork and investigation likely to take maybe a couple of hours work and perhaps 2 weeks overall to complete the "due diligence" checks. It is likely the cost of doing the checks for a one-off order would exceed the profit on a D810 so I can understand UK (and probably other EEC retailers) not being prepared to ship without charging VAT.
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all that is needed is to put the VAT # in here..1 min max,that's what I do if I sell out of DK,are there more rules in the UK

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Leonard Shepherd said:
It is straightforward for a UK VAT registered buyer to offset VAT paid to a VAT registered company outside the UK as part of their quarterly VAT return. When I did VAT returns for the photographic company I used to own there was an appropriate section on the VAT return form. If your country makes such offset recoveries "difficult" that is hardly the fault of anybody in the UK.

If in fact you are looking at a grey import with 20% or more off with no VAT paid you have to add the VAT to the advertised cost and factor in the "negative value" of any body warranty issue having to go back to whichever Nikon company outside the EEC gave the warranty.
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many prices are less than what a dealer here pays from Nikon? so I wonder if they pump up the prices so much for EU residents?

And yes warranty is important on such an expensive camera,just trying to understand it all a bit better..
 
shutterbobby said:
Leonard Shepherd said:
shutterbobby said:
Hi I was not insulting UK members,only the online sellers in the UK who claim to be VAT reg. but will not sell without VAT.. or give me a VAT invoice
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UK based companies registered for VAT have by law to give you a VAT invoice on request.

Care is needed as several apparent UK online sellers are based in the Far East and do not pay the VAT.

Their terms and conditions usually make it clear they pay no taxes, the buyer is responsible for all taxes, breach of trademark and even breach of EEC electrical regulations if the charger is not CE marked.

Often newly launched items advertised at 20% or less below UK street are grey imports with no European warranty on a Nikon body and no VAT paid.

If you read the customs link provided earlier you cannot have an item "VAT free" from a UK VAT registered retailer without the retailer carrying out considerable detailed paperwork and investigation likely to take maybe a couple of hours work and perhaps 2 weeks overall to complete the "due diligence" checks. It is likely the cost of doing the checks for a one-off order would exceed the profit on a D810 so I can understand UK (and probably other EEC retailers) not being prepared to ship without charging VAT.
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all that is needed is to put the VAT # in here..1 min max,that's what I do if I sell out of DK,are there more rules in the UK

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/?locale=en
shutterbobby said:
It is straightforward for a UK VAT registered buyer to offset VAT paid to a VAT registered company outside the UK as part of their quarterly VAT return. When I did VAT returns for the photographic company I used to own there was an appropriate section on the VAT return form. If your country makes such offset recoveries "difficult" that is hardly the fault of anybody in the UK.

If in fact you are looking at a grey import with 20% or more off with no VAT paid you have to add the VAT to the advertised cost and factor in the "negative value" of any body warranty issue having to go back to whichever Nikon company outside the EEC gave the warranty.
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many prices are less than what a dealer here pays from Nikon? so I wonder if they pump up the prices so much for EU residents?

And yes warranty is important on such an expensive camera,just trying to understand it all a bit better..
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shutterbobby said:
all that is needed is to put the VAT # in here..1 min max,that's what I do if I sell out of DK,are there more rules in the UK

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/?locale=en
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shutterbobby said:
many prices are less than what a dealer here pays from Nikon? so I wonder if they pump up the prices so much for EU residents?

And yes warranty is important on such an expensive camera,just trying to understand it all a bit better.
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On your first point did you read the earlier UK Customs link? I guess not as it requires a UK retailer to carry much more due diligence than you imply.

On your second point UK prices which include VAT (and lens tax if a lens) are generally competitive compared to USA where city and state taxes are added to the ticket price.

The EEC has very strong consumer protection which generally included the right to an exchange or refund on private use purchases if a fault occurs within 6 months of new. This is factored into EEC prices. You do not get this protection on goods sourced outside the EEC.

Often there is a euro 75 charge from the Far East for express shipping compared to around euro 10 overnight in the EEC.

Most EEC official import Nikon bodies have a 2 year Nikon warranty once registered with Nikon.

One link earlier in the thread omitted comment on an instruction book - which for a D810 is just over 500 pages, though often you can download one from Nikon locally.

I paid UK £2099 for an official import D810 3 weeks ago. Grey import prices generally with no VAT paid and no EEC warranty seem to be between £1990 and £2135.

I cannot help you distinguish which prices are no VAT paid and no local warranty - my advice is you should do your own research as it is your money.

--
Leonard Shepherd
Is where you are in photography best defined by your recent photos or the equipment you own?
 
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Leonard Shepherd said:
shutterbobby said:
all that is needed is to put the VAT # in here..1 min max,that's what I do if I sell out of DK,are there more rules in the UK

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/?locale=en
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Leonard Shepherd said:
many prices are less than what a dealer here pays from Nikon? so I wonder if they pump up the prices so much for EU residents?

And yes warranty is important on such an expensive camera,just trying to understand it all a bit better.
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On your first point did you read the earlier UK Customs link? I guess not as it requires a UK retailer to carry much more due diligence than you imply.
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I did,same as here..proof it left with shipping papers etc.. I also export at times.though can be a pain!
Leonard Shepherd said:
On your second point UK prices which include VAT (and lens tax if a lens) are generally competitive compared to USA where city and state taxes are added to the ticket price.

The EEC has very strong consumer protection which generally included the right to an exchange or refund on private use purchases if a fault occurs within 6 months of new. This is factored into EEC prices. You do not get this protection on goods sourced outside the EEC.
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Only 6 months? we have 2 yrs here ..with 25% vat ..some maybe a trade off
Leonard Shepherd said:
Often there is a euro 75 charge from the Far East for express shipping compared to around euro 10 overnight in the EEC.
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Most EEC official import Nikon bodies have a 2 year Nikon warranty once registered with Nikon.

One link earlier in the thread omitted comment on an instruction book - which for a D810 is just over 500 pages, though often you can download one from Nikon locally.

I paid UK £2099 for an official import D810 3 weeks ago. Grey import prices generally with no VAT paid and no EEC warranty seem to be between £1990 and £2135.

can you share the link for your Nikon?
Leonard Shepherd said:
I cannot help you distinguish which prices are no VAT paid and no local warranty - my advice is you should do your own research as it is your money.
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