Okay, now that's impressive to me. Neat.
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sony A7 II released!!
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Russell Evans
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If the mount isn't large enough for a FF sensor, how is it possible to have a FF sensor bouncing around in it?
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Hans vdC
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... any info on the AF and how close it would be to the a6000 ?
... which fps ?
... improvements to the EVF or not ?
... silent shutter ?
... how will IBIS work with OSS lenses ?
I held off the buy of the A7 to complement my A6000 to see what would be coming from Sony. Apart from the IBIS and info I got here, it seems like a somewhat minor improvement or am I wrong?
... which fps ?
... improvements to the EVF or not ?
... silent shutter ?
... how will IBIS work with OSS lenses ?
I held off the buy of the A7 to complement my A6000 to see what would be coming from Sony. Apart from the IBIS and info I got here, it seems like a somewhat minor improvement or am I wrong?
Absolutic
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So they increased the size to 600 grams in order to fit in IBIS. This is almost the weight of Nikon DF.
Sensitivity is EV (-1) nowhere close to EV(-4) of A7s
AF is clearly not based on A6000
Silent shutter of A7s is not mentioned, so it is safe to say it is not there
Likely the same sensor that is in A7 (otherwise would have said "a new sensor.")
It says AF is 30% better than A7. That does not explain much to me. Why not keep (-4) of A7s? Why not keep silent shutter feature. I am not even talking about 4K recording.
I was going to sell my A7r to get this, but now I am thinking about waiting for rumored A9 which supposedly per rumors site will get full A6000 autofocus. I assume IBIS will be build in as well. 47MP won't hurt either.
One thing I kind of would wanted and hoped for is build-in spring flash. I guess that ain't happening. I don't buy the argument that pro cameras don't have a build-in flash - Nikons up to D810 all have it.
Overall it is an exciting new product, IBIS in a full frame mirrorless camera..... coming from someone who have owned Olympus EM5 and EM1.....this is a great feature to have, especially on full frame sensor where any sort of shake is critical. I might sell my Oly EM1 to get this though....
Sensitivity is EV (-1) nowhere close to EV(-4) of A7s
AF is clearly not based on A6000
Silent shutter of A7s is not mentioned, so it is safe to say it is not there
Likely the same sensor that is in A7 (otherwise would have said "a new sensor.")
It says AF is 30% better than A7. That does not explain much to me. Why not keep (-4) of A7s? Why not keep silent shutter feature. I am not even talking about 4K recording.
I was going to sell my A7r to get this, but now I am thinking about waiting for rumored A9 which supposedly per rumors site will get full A6000 autofocus. I assume IBIS will be build in as well. 47MP won't hurt either.
One thing I kind of would wanted and hoped for is build-in spring flash. I guess that ain't happening. I don't buy the argument that pro cameras don't have a build-in flash - Nikons up to D810 all have it.
Overall it is an exciting new product, IBIS in a full frame mirrorless camera..... coming from someone who have owned Olympus EM5 and EM1.....this is a great feature to have, especially on full frame sensor where any sort of shake is critical. I might sell my Oly EM1 to get this though....
Awesome!!!!
Hear this, current FE lenses with OSS will also benefit from the 5-axis IBIS! (see picture). Sony is taking the 5-axis IBIS even further:
Are Sony becoming Apple of the camera market?! ;-)
There's even yet another custom button and the body and dials are metal now. The shutter button is perfectly placed and the grip is exactly how I wished it would be (narrower, more ergonomic and deeper). I must say, this looks like a more finished product than the A7. Impressive Sony!
Hear this, current FE lenses with OSS will also benefit from the 5-axis IBIS! (see picture). Sony is taking the 5-axis IBIS even further:
Are Sony becoming Apple of the camera market?! ;-)
There's even yet another custom button and the body and dials are metal now. The shutter button is perfectly placed and the grip is exactly how I wished it would be (narrower, more ergonomic and deeper). I must say, this looks like a more finished product than the A7. Impressive Sony!
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Very impressive specs. No doubt this is will be a worthwhile upgrade from the A7 and a maturing of Sony's FF mirrorless line.
I for one hope they are still cooking up either a Nex 7 replacement or a small, light FF body. The A7II body by itself weighs nearly as much as an A6000 with 16-70 attached. I hope Sony don't abandon the Nex philosophy of small size and weight with high quality. It's a very important differentiator and one of the most compelling reasons to buy them over a midrange DSLR.
I for one hope they are still cooking up either a Nex 7 replacement or a small, light FF body. The A7II body by itself weighs nearly as much as an A6000 with 16-70 attached. I hope Sony don't abandon the Nex philosophy of small size and weight with high quality. It's a very important differentiator and one of the most compelling reasons to buy them over a midrange DSLR.
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The current A7 does 5fps with tracking. It is ok with that too (both the A7s and A7r are a lot slower as only the A7 has hybrid AF).
The a7 tracking is as I said ok ....as long as the subject is not super quick. 30% better is just a bonus to me.
IBIS is the big thing.......and the better 50/60p video is nice too.
I have some nice fast old lenses I would love stabilized and recently got a APSC 50 1.8 OSS to use on the A7 (even with vignetting) because of the OSS (and it was cheap).....I have said Sony could make a mint by making the 50 1.8 OSS a FF lens......no more....and I look forward in a week or two to the Zeiss 55 1.8.
A mount lenses on EBAY just got a whole lot more expensive.
This thread might set a new record for fastest to 149 posts.
tsk1979
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What about other third party adapters? Will stabilization work?
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The new A7ii is only a few grams heavier than the Olympus OMD E-M1. Sure, most Olympus lenses are smaller, but if you use only a few Sony lenses that are not massive, then the size-weight advantage of M43 is negligible in comparison to the massive advantage in image quality.
Absolutic
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Well, Nikon DF is 700 grams without battery, 750 with battery I believe.
And D750 has a built-in commander flash that can be used at least for fill-in flash, plus 1300 shots per battery
you add any flash, like my HVL20m on the top of A7 Mark II, and you get the same weight right there. And to get to the same number of shots without having to keep changing batteries, you'd need to add the new grip (which luckily has space for two batteries) and now you are talking about even larger size and weight.
I guess what I am trying to say is my A7r weighs 465 grams with batteries, I think 400grams range is the maximum I'd want to keep my mirrorless at. After all, I sold off all my DSLR equipment due to its size and weight, the performance of my Canon 5DM3 was fine and I loved the AF speed (in any light) and was happy with pic quality. I was not happy with its 1 kilo weight and size.
As in, "eat your hat sigma"?
Absolutic
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well the only two native AF lenses I know that match your description are 35FE and 55FE.
24-70 is about the same size as Canon full frame 24-70/4 and 70-200/4 is actually heavier than 70-200/4 Canon.
As far as 85FE which is the lens I am waiting the most for, it is not even on the road map, so who knows how much it would weigh and what the size it would be. I hope they do 85 1.8 and not 1.4 to keep it manageable in terms of size and weight. At least now they dont have to worry about putting in extra weight of Image stabilizer in that 85!!!!
In any case, I am probably selling my Olympus EM1 to get this. The image quality advantage, as you pointed, is MASSIVE.
Funny that you don't mention the FE 16-35mm being significantly smaller than the DSLR lens counterparts. The FE 24-70mm f/4 is lighter than its Canon counterpart (460g vs 600g). The 70-200,, F/4 is an exception it seems ;-)
The AF is improved by 30%, both when it comes to focus acquisition and tracking. I hope video AF is like the A6000 now.
According to this site the sensor tech has evolved as well and claim that the sensor performs better than before: https://translate.google.com/transl...y.jp/ichigan/products/ILCE-7M2/feature_1.html
Sounds like a nice evolution to me, but the best thing is the IBIS and much improved design. I can live with those extra 125 grams.
According to this site the sensor tech has evolved as well and claim that the sensor performs better than before: https://translate.google.com/transl...y.jp/ichigan/products/ILCE-7M2/feature_1.html
Sounds like a nice evolution to me, but the best thing is the IBIS and much improved design. I can live with those extra 125 grams.
I wouldn't put a stake through the Olympus m43 just yet. After all like Sony does some serious business providing for the Apple iPhone and iPad lines, the cash from Sony for the Olympus IBIS technology may be enough to reduce the red ink on the camera division accounts.
That is even without any design and development fees that they may get for lens development etc. Sony only has so much internal design and development expertise so why not keep them busy on the higher end product ?
That is even without any design and development fees that they may get for lens development etc. Sony only has so much internal design and development expertise so why not keep them busy on the higher end product ?
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I wonder if they'll take the OS out of the lenses on the roadmap. It would be sad for current A7 series owners but on the other hand it benefits the future of the system (but I guess they won't seeing how they advertise combined OS).
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