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My new X2 is not producing the sharpest images I expected,,,,,Always wanted to try the R - lenses on Fuji ( which I do with 90mm and 180mm) .

I've been looking to get an R-21 ,24 or 28mm Which one would you recommend ??

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My new X2 is not producing the sharpest images I expected,,,,,Always wanted to try the R - lenses on Fuji ( which I do with 90mm and 180mm) .

I've been looking to get an R-21 ,24 or 28mm Which one would you recommend ??
If you want to get the best results out of Leica R lenses on a digital body, aside from using a Leica R9 with DMR fitted or an M typ 240 with R to M adapter, get a Sony A7 and a Novoflex NEX/LER mount adapter.

I have the Elmarit-R 24mm f/2.8, it is a wonderful lens although actually a Minolta design. The second series Elmarit-R 28mm f/2.8 is reputed to be one of the best 28mm lenses ever made. I've not tried any of the 21mm models, but I have the Elmarit-R 19mm f/2.8 v1: a Walter Mandler design that is just outstanding. And the v2 model is supposed to be even better...

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Thank you all.

What amazes me, is the price of old Manual Leica M lenses....??? And even the R ones -are not very cheap either...?!p
 
Thank you all.

What amazes me, is the price of old Manual Leica M lenses....??? And even the R ones -are not very cheap either...?!p
The latest R lenses got insanely expensive after they got discontinued. I was looking just another day a mint R9 from ebay, they were dead cheap. But no way i can afford 90mm 2.0 which is even more expensive than brand new used to be.
 
The APO-Summicron-R 90 ASPH is pretty identical to the M-mount version by all account except one private communication that claimed it had different field curvature, I think. So unless you need an R-mount version, it is better to go for the M-mount version, which is also lighter.

The APO-Macro-Elmarit 100mm is excellent though I also love the Zeiss Makro-Planar 100/2, they render differently, I think.

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Thank you all.

What amazes me, is the price of old Manual Leica M lenses....??? And even the R ones -are not very cheap either...?!p
The latest R lenses got insanely expensive after they got discontinued. I was looking just another day a mint R9 from ebay, they were dead cheap. But no way i can afford 90mm 2.0 which is even more expensive than brand new used to be.
I wouldn't say you need the ROM lenses to use an R8/R9 unless shutter priority is something your after, the previous 3cam designs should as I understand it work fine.
 
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If you are not satisfied with your X2 images, get one of Fuji's prime lenses. I assume you have a kit zoom lens now. Fuji lenses are generally very highly rated.

I am assuming that you are referring to the XE2 Fuji and not the Leica X2, that is.
 
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Thank you all.

What amazes me, is the price of old Manual Leica M lenses....??? And even the R ones -are not very cheap either...?!p
The latest R lenses got insanely expensive after they got discontinued. I was looking just another day a mint R9 from ebay, they were dead cheap. But no way i can afford 90mm 2.0 which is even more expensive than brand new used to be.
I wouldn't say you need the ROM lenses to use an R8/R9 unless shutter priority is something your after, the previous 3cam designs should as I understand it work fine.
3-cam R lenses work perfectly on the R8 and R9, and provide all exposure modes. I have the earlier Summicron-R 90mm f/2, circa 1981 production, and it works beautifully on the R8 as well as on the Sony A7. It's a Mandler design and shows his hand in its rendering qualities. A superb lens.

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To the OP: I would avoid the 24 which, as another poster noted, is actually a Minolta lens. The publicity literature of that era included lens element design diagrams; the Minolta 24 and the "Elmarit" were identical. I suspect that maybe the"Elmarit" was assembled and inspected in Germany rather than in Japan but I'd buy a genuine Leica lens, the 28 or 21. NB: All the telezooms Leica offered at the time were also basically Minolta lenses. E.g. a Minolta 80-200 f4.5 was $250 while the Leica 80-200 - identical lens design! - was a thousand dollars more, $1,250. Is assembly and inspection worth 4 times the value of the lens when those operations were done in Japan? Not to me.
 
To the OP: I would avoid the 24 which, as another poster noted, is actually a Minolta lens. The publicity literature of that era included lens element design diagrams; the Minolta 24 and the "Elmarit" were identical. I suspect that maybe the"Elmarit" was assembled and inspected in Germany rather than in Japan but I'd buy a genuine Leica lens, the 28 or 21. NB: All the telezooms Leica offered at the time were also basically Minolta lenses. E.g. a Minolta 80-200 f4.5 was $250 while the Leica 80-200 - identical lens design! - was a thousand dollars more, $1,250. Is assembly and inspection worth 4 times the value of the lens when those operations were done in Japan? Not to me.
I've never understood this "it isn't made by Leica in Germany, therefore it must be second rate" attitude.

For a period in the late 1970s/early 1980s, I had Minolta XD series SLRs and a complete lens kit, including the Minolta MD-Rokkor 24mm f/2.8.

Yes, the lens design was identical to the Elmarit-R 24mm f/2.8. Whether the Elmarit-R was actually produced in Japan by Minolta or assembled by Leica in Germany (or Canada) I'm not sure. And no, the Minolta and Leica lenses were not identical beyond the optical design; they performed quite differently.

Having had both, the Leica lens is far better made and performs like a Leica lens ought to, with less evidence of decentering and better flare control. It produces the same color and quality as the other lenses in the R range. I use it on both the R8 and the Sony A7 ... it is terrific on both. Solid, precise, sharp throughout the range. An excellent Leica R lens.

I mean, what the heck? Leica introduced the lens in 1976 and never changed the optical formula, kept it in production and in the catalog until they closed the books in 2006. It went through two mount updates (original to 1990, ROM update possible to 1996, then with ROM to 2006). They must have thought it a decent enough lens to keep it in production and without any optical change for 22 years.

The 28mm and 21mm lenses each went through a few optical revisions along the way. Having used a 28mm v2 lens, it's great, but not substantively different in quality from the 24mm. I certainly wouldn't avoid it, even if the series 2 Elmarit-R 28mm f/2.8 might be the gods' gift to 28mm lenses for Middle Earth...

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I owned a R8. The 24mm and 35mm are OK lens, I liked my M lens over the Rs. in this focal range.The 19mm is a great lens, it so well correct and the 100mm F2.8 is a killer sharp lens. All the tele lens are some of the sharpest and best lens ever made.....but they are not AF. If you are young with good eyes and like film. This was a good MF camera, but the 24-50mm were not great. PS also the 80-200mm f/4 was super sharp, it was made by CZ, Japan...Contax great lens, light wt and fast to use.
 
I owned a R8. The 24mm and 35mm are OK lens, I liked my M lens over the Rs. in this focal range.The 19mm is a great lens, it so well correct and the 100mm F2.8 is a killer sharp lens. All the tele lens are some of the sharpest and best lens ever made.....but they are not AF. If you are young with good eyes and like film. This was a good MF camera, but the 24-50mm were not great. PS also the 80-200mm f/4 was super sharp, it was made by CZ, Japan...Contax great lens, light wt and fast to use.
I don't use zooms much so I don't really know which are good or bad.

BTW: I'm over 60, and have worn glasses since I was 6. I have no problem focusing manually with any camera. The R8 has a superb viewfinder and focusing screen, one of the easiest SLRs to focus ever.

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If you are looking at a Leica R lens in the 24mm range to use on a Fuji then IMO you are wasting your money. I love Leica (own the M240) but I also have an X-Pro1 and I can tell you the 23mm Fuji is outstanding....you are not gaining anything with buying a Leica R lens for it except weight, not to mention you lose AF.

You can see lots of examples from the Fuji 23mm on my Flickr page.

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Thank you all.

What amazes me, is the price of old Manual Leica M lenses....??? And even the R ones -are not very cheap either...?!p
The latest R lenses got insanely expensive after they got discontinued. I was looking just another day a mint R9 from ebay, they were dead cheap. But no way i can afford 90mm 2.0 which is even more expensive than brand new used to be.
They got insanely expensive when the M to R adaptor for the M-240 was released. They were orphans and "cheap" before that. Everyone who had dead R glass can finally use them again.
 
I owned a Leica R8, the 24mm lens was really made a Minolta design and/or made in Japan. It was a good lens, but not a great lens. Gave up on the Leica R system. The lens were to hint and miss. Do not get me wrong the lens like the long tele were some of the best one could buy, but no AF.
 
I owned a Leica R8, the 24mm lens was really made a Minolta design and/or made in Japan. It was a good lens, but not a great lens. Gave up on the Leica R system. The lens were to hint and miss. Do not get me wrong the lens like the long tele were some of the best one could buy, but no AF.
I have an R8 and I have that very lens.

The Elmarit-R 24mm is a Minolta design, but the Leica lens was made in Wetzlar by Leica, with Leica glass and coatings, Leica mount, and Leica quality control. It was produced continuously in the R mount from 1974 to 2004, with two mount upgrades for the ROM generation, but no optical changes.

It's actually quite a good performer, and a better performer than the Minolta original that its design was taken from (I had one of those back in the days that I was shooting with Minolta gear (ca 1978-1980)). People love to dis the Elmarit-R 24mm because it was a Minolta design, but I've compared it to a couple of the Elmarit-R 28mm lenses that people rave about and the differences in imaging quality are so small as to be nearly impossible to see without instrumentation.

Leica aren't stupid ... They wouldn't keep a poor performing lens in the lens catalog for their premier SLR system for 20 years. They were constantly improving all their R lenses over the years.

I have been using a fairly complete set of R lenses, all primes from 19mm to 180mm. While all but one of mine are older generation and not at the same level of performance as the late model APOs from the 1990s, there's not a one of them that is a poor performer. And all of them produce the signature Leica image rendering, IMO, which is why they're appealing to me.

Of course, I've now got the Leica M-P and have built up my lens kit for it such that I no longer really need the R lenses other than one or two. I'll likely keep the Summicron-R 90mm and Elmar-R 180mm as adjunct to my M-mount lenses, sell off the rest of the set as I have newer lenses now that are better suited to use with the M-P.

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