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Noting that most new advanced fixed lens compacts have two dimensional leveling and as I have become to love shooting my RX-100 III leveled up and down as well as left and right to get dead-on upright verticals, I am a little disappointed with my otherwise excellent Fuji camera in the lack of a second level indicator to quickly nail dead-on straight ahead level photos.
 
+1 to your observation
 
Fuji is so accommodating in adding requests for features that I fear they will turn these nicely designed little cameras into the overfeatured and complicated messes of other makers. Really? Even more leveling?
 
win39 said:
Fuji is so accommodating in adding requests for features that I fear they will turn these nicely designed little cameras into the overfeatured and complicated messes of other makers. Really? Even more leveling?
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I think along the same lines. I don't care for this additional feature the slightest, same for video.

Cheers,

E.
 
win39 said:
Fuji is so accommodating in adding requests for features that I fear they will turn these nicely designed little cameras into the overfeatured and complicated messes of other makers. Really? Even more leveling?
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Exactly so. Mine doesn't have an auto compose feature or creative thinking control either!

Is the viewfinder not cluttered enough for you? Are photographers today totally reliant on machines doing everything for them with no input. Look through the viewfinder and decide for yourself if the horizon is level and verticals upright - it really isn't that hard.
 
Vic Chapman said:
win39 said:
Fuji is so accommodating in adding requests for features that I fear they will turn these nicely designed little cameras into the overfeatured and complicated messes of other makers. Really? Even more leveling?
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Exactly so. Mine doesn't have an auto compose feature or creative thinking control either!

Is the viewfinder not cluttered enough for you? Are photographers today totally reliant on machines doing everything for them with no input. Look through the viewfinder and decide for yourself if the horizon is level and verticals upright - it really isn't that hard.
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... nor is doing any adjustment in PP too onerous either. My Ricohs have levelling indicators & they can be handy at times when there are no apparent verticals to relate framing to, but in the main they are a distraction & are switched off.

 
I think cameras aren't pure enough for you. Better go back to painting on cave walls, that's the only pure solution.

Meanwhile those of us using expensive electronic devices will expect the benefits of using expensive electronic devices.
 
accupix said:
Noting that most new advanced fixed lens compacts have two dimensional leveling and as I have become to love shooting my RX-100 III leveled up and down as well as left and right to get dead-on upright verticals, I am a little disappointed with my otherwise excellent Fuji camera in the lack of a second level indicator to quickly nail dead-on straight ahead level photos.
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I agree. My little Powershot S120 has a better level than the X-E2 and it also takes up much less space on the screen. The X-E2 level is quite intrusive despite lacking in functionality. My NEX-6 had a better level too - and again it took up much less screen space.

It's sad the "pure of mind" brigade are picking on you. The straw man stuff is awful - you didn't ask for your camera to take creative control, just add a better version of an existing feature. A bitter and unhappy lot they are.
 
And who says all photos are supposed to be level in any direction. They are guides not laws.
 
Grumpyrocker said:
accupix said:
Noting that most new advanced fixed lens compacts have two dimensional leveling and as I have become to love shooting my RX-100 III leveled up and down as well as left and right to get dead-on upright verticals, I am a little disappointed with my otherwise excellent Fuji camera in the lack of a second level indicator to quickly nail dead-on straight ahead level photos.
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I agree. My little Powershot S120 has a better level than the X-E2 and it also takes up much less space on the screen. The X-E2 level is quite intrusive despite lacking in functionality. My NEX-6 had a better level too - and again it took up much less screen space.

It's sad the "pure of mind" brigade are picking on you. The straw man stuff is awful - you didn't ask for your camera to take creative control, just add a better version of an existing feature. A bitter and unhappy lot they are.
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I agree that that some of the replies were pretty silly, but equally I think the answer to the original question is 'yes'.

If you want a more detailed answer, I'd say that in all my time using a camera I have never wanted a 'lens axis level' indicator. If there are features (architectural verticals, for example) that are significant then I'd reckon on getting them right by eye.
 
Grumpyrocker said:
accupix said:
Noting that most new advanced fixed lens compacts have two dimensional leveling and as I have become to love shooting my RX-100 III leveled up and down as well as left and right to get dead-on upright verticals, I am a little disappointed with my otherwise excellent Fuji camera in the lack of a second level indicator to quickly nail dead-on straight ahead level photos.
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I agree. My little Powershot S120 has a better level than the X-E2 and it also takes up much less space on the screen. The X-E2 level is quite intrusive despite lacking in functionality. My NEX-6 had a better level too - and again it took up much less screen space.

It's sad the "pure of mind" brigade are picking on you. The straw man stuff is awful - you didn't ask for your camera to take creative control, just add a better version of an existing feature. A bitter and unhappy lot they are.
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The only one so far throwing the term "pure" around is you.

Just accept that different customers want different functionality and usability in their cameras.
 
accupix said:
Noting that most new advanced fixed lens compacts have two dimensional leveling and as I have become to love shooting my RX-100 III leveled up and down as well as left and right to get dead-on upright verticals, I am a little disappointed with my otherwise excellent Fuji camera in the lack of a second level indicator to quickly nail dead-on straight ahead level photos.
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Yes...you are over reacting.
 
I didn't even know any camera had that feature. I'm pretty happy with one level. The Coolpix A level is horribly slow to react and can only be shown on the screen by itself so I feel pretty good about the X-T1's level.
 
Whether you value bi-axis levels on a camera or not, there really is no excuse for buying any camera and then complaining about the lack of any one feature after. With so many magazines, review websites and manufacturers websites at hand all the info we need is out there.

I agree with the less is more camp but I accept that's not to everyone's taste.

Pat
 
I like having the roll axis level. It comes in quite handy if I'm holding the camera overhead. When I see the level line turn green I know I'm level. Much easier than trying to judge levelness by composition from an LCD screen at arms length.

OTOH, I see little need in a pitch level. I've owned previous cameras that had it, and never found the benefit in any of my photography. If a person 3' tall, and a person 6' 6" tall, are standing side by side, shooting the same scene, do both of them want their cameras level in pitch? I doubt it. Composition rules the proper pitch. But, I'm open to learn where it would be needed if someone has a suggestion.

Steve
 
Grumpyrocker said:
accupix said:
Noting that most new advanced fixed lens compacts have two dimensional leveling and as I have become to love shooting my RX-100 III leveled up and down as well as left and right to get dead-on upright verticals, I am a little disappointed with my otherwise excellent Fuji camera in the lack of a second level indicator to quickly nail dead-on straight ahead level photos.
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I agree. My little Powershot S120 has a better level than the X-E2 and it also takes up much less space on the screen. The X-E2 level is quite intrusive despite lacking in functionality. My NEX-6 had a better level too - and again it took up much less screen space.

It's sad the "pure of mind" brigade are picking on you. The straw man stuff is awful - you didn't ask for your camera to take creative control, just add a better version of an existing feature. A bitter and unhappy lot they are.
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The OP asked if they were over-reacting and I gave my opinion - what is the point of them asking if only you are allowed to give an opinion.

So-called photographers whinge about the silliest of needs and wants these days. I'd rather spend my money on better sensors and glass than on an extra line in the viewfinder that I won't use.

If there were a digital camera produced today that had just basic functions - say like a manual film camera but with a digital sensor and processor it would be much easier to use than the technological wonders we have now where we need to spend much longer setting up auto features and over-riding other auto features than we ever did just taking a reading, setting aperture and/or shutter, compose, focus and shoot.

That's why I like the Fuji X series especially with primes. The X-Pro1 or XT1 with 14 or 23mm for instance - I can see and setup ISO, aperture, shutter and focus distance by looking down at the camera and turning the dials. I don't need all the other stuff although admittedly my eyes aren't quite as good they were for ultra fast manual focus so sometimes I appreciate AF with longer lenses.
 
I agree with you Vic. The thing that attracted me to the X-T1 was the "retro" styling of controls. It's what I grew up on and appreciate the most. For me, the X-T1 strikes a very nice balance of old vs. new. The only thing I would really desire to change is to remove everything related to video. If I had need for a video camera, I'd buy one. But, I also realize I'm in the extreme minority on this. I just have to tolerate it.

Steve
 
Digital Shutterbug said:
I agree with you Vic. The thing that attracted me to the X-T1 was the "retro" styling of controls. It's what I grew up on and appreciate the most. For me, the X-T1 strikes a very nice balance of old vs. new. The only thing I would really desire to change is to remove everything related to video. If I had need for a video camera, I'd buy one. But, I also realize I'm in the extreme minority on this. I just have to tolerate it.

Steve
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I'm with you there I have 2 X cams and I've never used the video nor on 2 other still cameras but we are charged for it just the same. However, we apparently are dinosaurs.

Vic
 
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