Feeling intimidated by fullframers.....

NCV said:

Without my big 300mm 2.8 bazooka I would never taken these shots: http://nigelvoak.blogspot.it/2013/11/another-age.html .

So let’s be serious, these lenses have their uses and an equivalent FL to the 300 2.8 for M43 has only just appeared.

Shure I only carried the 300 2.8 when I was certain it was needed.

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GTOz said:

Yikes, shouldn't have used that word "intimidated" from the previous thread. Never intended this to be more than a bit of a laugh, but it seems to have got onto the "Top Threads" list and that word is attracting people who don't usually frequent the MFT forum, and they are taking me seriously....

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Le Frog said:

NCV said:

Without my big 300mm 2.8 bazooka I would never taken these shots: http://nigelvoak.blogspot.it/2013/11/another-age.html .

So let’s be serious, these lenses have their uses and an equivalent FL to the 300 2.8 for M43 has only just appeared.

Shure I only carried the 300 2.8 when I was certain it was needed.

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I really envy you!

Yesterday Kenny Barron with Dave Holland were in town. I did not dare to take my camera with me. And I was at the perfect spot for some great shots*. So, when I saw someone else from the audience taking pictures undisturbed (he even moved around a bit before returning to his table!) you can imagine how I felt.

:-(

:-x

* (no need for a bazooka, my Sigma 60/2.8 would have been enough!)

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NCV said:

GTOz said:

Yikes, shouldn't have used that word "intimidated" from the previous thread. Never intended this to be more than a bit of a laugh, but it seems to have got onto the "Top Threads" list and that word is attracting people who don't usually frequent the MFT forum, and they are taking me seriously....

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You will learn that a sense of humour is a rare and dangerous thing on camera gear forums.

I made the same mistake recently citing the current buzzword in a title to a post about part exchanging gear and as we say here in Italy "the skies opened" and the storm of replies from people half of whom did not even bother to read what I had wrote in the OP started.

A joke in reply on another post caused a similar storm. So do not be tempted to use humour here. Camera gear and all the technical stuff that surrounds it is a deadly serious business.

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GTOz said:

NCV said:

GTOz said:

Yikes, shouldn't have used that word "intimidated" from the previous thread. Never intended this to be more than a bit of a laugh, but it seems to have got onto the "Top Threads" list and that word is attracting people who don't usually frequent the MFT forum, and they are taking me seriously....

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You will learn that a sense of humour is a rare and dangerous thing on camera gear forums.

I made the same mistake recently citing the current buzzword in a title to a post about part exchanging gear and as we say here in Italy "the skies opened" and the storm of replies from people half of whom did not even bother to read what I had wrote in the OP started.

A joke in reply on another post caused a similar storm. So do not be tempted to use humour here. Camera gear and all the technical stuff that surrounds it is a deadly serious business.

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Hmmm... thanks for that, you may be right.

Now lets talk about equivalence....or maybe decentring

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NCV said:

GTOz said:

Yikes, shouldn't have used that word "intimidated" from the previous thread. Never intended this to be more than a bit of a laugh, but it seems to have got onto the "Top Threads" list and that word is attracting people who don't usually frequent the MFT forum, and they are taking me seriously....

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You will learn that a sense of humour is a rare and dangerous thing on camera gear forums.

I made the same mistake recently citing the current buzzword in a title to a post about part exchanging gear and as we say here in Italy "the skies opened" and the storm of replies from people half of whom did not even bother to read what I had wrote in the OP started.

A joke in reply on another post caused a similar storm. So do not be tempted to use humour here. Camera gear and all the technical stuff that surrounds it is a deadly serious business.

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NCV said:

GTOz said:

NCV said:

GTOz said:

Yikes, shouldn't have used that word "intimidated" from the previous thread. Never intended this to be more than a bit of a laugh, but it seems to have got onto the "Top Threads" list and that word is attracting people who don't usually frequent the MFT forum, and they are taking me seriously....

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You will learn that a sense of humour is a rare and dangerous thing on camera gear forums.

I made the same mistake recently citing the current buzzword in a title to a post about part exchanging gear and as we say here in Italy "the skies opened" and the storm of replies from people half of whom did not even bother to read what I had wrote in the OP started.

A joke in reply on another post caused a similar storm. So do not be tempted to use humour here. Camera gear and all the technical stuff that surrounds it is a deadly serious business.

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Hmmm... thanks for that, you may be right.

Now lets talk about equivalence....or maybe decentring

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Now you have started something bad bad bad!!!!!!!

Now the saddest elements of these forums will be here in 1/1000 of a second to explain their theory to you now as a punishment.

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Tom Caldwell said:

Guy Parsons said:

I honestly think that I make them feel stupid for carrying so much kit, when I get what I need with the E-P5 and 12-40mm or occasionally pull out the E-PL5 with 45-150mm and then sometimes use 9-18mm or 9mm fishy - and all kept in a little bag that they hardly notice.

I'm happy. They are just keeping chiropractors rich.

One thing I notice a lot, they are stuck with a fixed eye height view of the world, with the E-P5 and use of tilt LCD I am taking both low and high viewpoint shots all the time with no problems.

Regards.... Guy

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Guy

Funnily enough I subscribe to the big dslr kit. I took a Lowepro backpack crammed with gear on as carry-on luggage to Malaysia and back some years ago pretentending that it was not heavy at all. Luckily I was not asked to weigh it ...

I got some great images for my trouble. There is no doubt that it was the only way to go at the time. Then we went on a touring holiday in Australia and I had multiple bodies and lenses. Worked well, even though there might have been more camera gear than personal luggage.

It is not such a great burden if you were serious about what you were doing. But now the wife says "only take one camera" - but which one? So I use smaller cameras and lenses and one much smaller bag can hide a lot of sins and she, good wife that she is, pretends not to notice.

Chances are also that present day M4/3 kit is as good as olden days dslr kit. However I still think that a lens with huge object glass has a place in the world, just a pity I don't have the talent to use it to its fullest capability.

I am free and easy about the advantages of M4/3 as against the larger gear and vice versa and feel no necessity to impress any way, and no, I don't need chiropractors.

The most amusing thing I ever saw was a gun professional photographer running after a moving buggy at Sovereign Hill snapping a notable with a dslr to his eye and two dslr bodies flapping about his person ... and an assistant running behind with another spare. Being famous allows you the luxury of looking ridiculous and for a fat feee I would not care either. Impressive gear, unfortunately my 5D and TS-E 24mm 3.5mm tilt shift and monopod just made me another tourist nobody. Pity they would not allow me to bring in my pack mule loaded up with the rest of my kit .....

The moral of the story was that no matter how impressive your gear if you don't have the contacts you are just another nobody with more money than sense. Long live common sense practicality, every person with a camera or mobile phone is a photographer and their work is potentially just as good as any.

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rovingtim said:

NCV said:

GTOz said:

NCV said:

GTOz said:

Yikes, shouldn't have used that word "intimidated" from the previous thread. Never intended this to be more than a bit of a laugh, but it seems to have got onto the "Top Threads" list and that word is attracting people who don't usually frequent the MFT forum, and they are taking me seriously....

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You will learn that a sense of humour is a rare and dangerous thing on camera gear forums.

I made the same mistake recently citing the current buzzword in a title to a post about part exchanging gear and as we say here in Italy "the skies opened" and the storm of replies from people half of whom did not even bother to read what I had wrote in the OP started.

A joke in reply on another post caused a similar storm. So do not be tempted to use humour here. Camera gear and all the technical stuff that surrounds it is a deadly serious business.

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Hmmm... thanks for that, you may be right.

Now lets talk about equivalence....or maybe decentring

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Now you have started something bad bad bad!!!!!!!

Now the saddest elements of these forums will be here in 1/1000 of a second to explain their theory to you now as a punishment.

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Impart wrong information, and people will respond vigorously. Sad ... but true.

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NCV said:

Wrong 1 nano second

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Bob Tullis said:

Not all DSLR owners lug their gear about - some just carry their kit like anybody else. Heck, some of my best friends use DSLRs [g].

I see a a bit of disrespect for the DSLR crowd in these two topics - overcompensating for one's own insecurities? Respect is a two way street.

If I have an accident in the field, I'd hope I'm among DSLR owners who won't slip a disk or hip while trying to help me.

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GTOz said:

Yikes, shouldn't have used that word "intimidated" ...

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LearningForeverIHope said:

Bob Tullis said:

... If I have an accident in the field, I'd hope I'm among DSLR owners who won't slip a disk or hip while trying to help me.

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As I said once before, whenever a thread turns into a remake of Some Soap Opera one must find the posts where no one replied to read some real sense. The rest is just some vast cathartic orgy.

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Tan68 said:

LearningForeverIHope said:

Bob Tullis said:

... If I have an accident in the field, I'd hope I'm among DSLR owners who won't slip a disk or hip while trying to help me.

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As I said once before, whenever a thread turns into a remake of Some Soap Opera one must find the posts where no one replied to read some real sense. The rest is just some vast cathartic orgy.

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I wasn't sure what Bob meant here. I think he would hope either to not cause injury to anyone who helped him or that he is strong enough to help someone like the guy in the picture.

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Tan68 said:

As far as the rest of it, he made me feel embarrassed and disloyal :^|

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Tan68 said:

I don't own a 4/3 anything. There was nothing I could say...

For injured gear hounds, I recommend getting them out of the harness first, then lift.

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Tan68 said:

Vast.. even incipient cathartic orgy is unpleasant.

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Henry McA said:

What always surprises me is that people equate the cost/weight/volume/(quality) of gear with the photographic skill (aka professionalism) of the photographer.

People don´t want to be perceived as nobodies or tourists and that´s why they have to prove their worth with their gear (to compensate a lack of self esteem I believe). That´s ridiculous of course.

Often it´s not the pro photographer with the big gun, no - it´s a tourist. When I visited some botanical gardens in Sweden last year I saw many middle aged guys with pro level dslr kits and my first thought was: "wow, the royal family must be here somewhere" - but how disappointed I was when I realized that these people belonged to 4 tourist busses. Same thing happens all over the world at any photogenic location.

A pro usually knows what kind of gear he/she is going to need for the job, so they won´t overload themselves. What also limits their gear is simply the huge cost factor - they tend to only buy/rent what they really need - and most of the time the economical sensible choice is not the Canon 1DX or Nikon D4 with a huge lens, just to photograph a flower or bird. (I´m not talking wildlife here)

Seeing these people makes me sad, because usually they don´t talk to their wives and children, they don´t seem to be able to enjoy the moment, they are too busy looking through their viewfinders and chasing the fantasy of being a pro photographer, they sweat and ruin they bodies with too much weight. Back at home they go through thousands of pictures they took in 4 houres and have maybe 5 keepers that they post on the internet where they get approval from people just like themselves. Throwing busswords around and talking about gear details endlessly. Now they feel that it´s worth it but in the back of their mind they know that they are just taking snapshots and could never make a living from photography. They photograph to distract themselves from their boring lives. And that´s sad.

Sorry, I´m in a mood today and the picture of that "well hung" fellow hit a nerve.

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GTOz said:

Yikes, shouldn't have used that word "intimidated" from the previous thread. Never intended this to be more than a bit of a laugh, but it seems to have got onto the "Top Threads" list and that word is attracting people who don't usually frequent the MFT forum, and they are taking me seriously....

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