The Davinator
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True. Another saying I like is "you're only as strong as your weakest link."
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New Canon almost as good as 5 year old Sony and Nikon cameras...
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LoOK at the images not someone's test numbers! Test numbers without real life correlation is pointless!The high iso ratings of the A77ii and A7ii are within the margin of error and essentially zero. In other words they are equal. I would also venture that for most photography DR is more important and in this area the A77ii has a significant advantage. DPR proved nothing.
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography because it causes people to fret over inconsequential issues.
Fogel70
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Retro cameras seems to be something a lot of users ask for, so Canon might be right on track. 
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moving_comfort
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The retro sensor in a modern body. DOH!Retro cameras seems to be something a lot of users ask for, so Canon might be right on track.
The Davinator
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The retro sensor in a modern body. DOH!Retro cameras seems to be something a lot of users ask for, so Canon might be right on track.
Canon has less dynamic range but not that much less.
Digital is good in low light but the worst in daylight and the cat in the bag is the issue with not the whole dynamic range of digital camera. Problem is the highlight overexposure room. There is no practical difference between 5D and D800, even D800 has only 0,5 stops of good highlight recovery, 5D even a bit less. They make the high iso a little better and dynamic range drops.
And then again Leica M3 is 60 years old and looks better and has more metal in body than Sony a7s.
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Darrell Spreen
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Each of these (and other) films were the sensors of the day.
Each film had its own color gamut, grain (noise), dynamic range, contrast, sharpness, etc. All were popular and were used by photographers who understood the qualities they offered. There were debates on which was best, but all had their strengths and weaknesses.
Why the cry for sensor equality? The real world differences are downright insignificant (DXO notwithstanding), especially when compared to the differences between the films of the past.
The majority of sample photos I see posted wouldn't exercise the full capabilities of sensors anyway.
Each film had its own color gamut, grain (noise), dynamic range, contrast, sharpness, etc. All were popular and were used by photographers who understood the qualities they offered. There were debates on which was best, but all had their strengths and weaknesses.
Why the cry for sensor equality? The real world differences are downright insignificant (DXO notwithstanding), especially when compared to the differences between the films of the past.
The majority of sample photos I see posted wouldn't exercise the full capabilities of sensors anyway.
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rickyred
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The Sony doesn't come close to the new 7D. AS a complete package. How many people on here actually take pictures??????
As a complete package? The Sony A77ii is a much better deal. You can see the pictures my husband and I have taken at our website in the signature. 95% are with the A77ii, with a few taken by the NEX5.
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Paul B Jones
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Nikon will respond, but at the moment the 7DM2 leads its class. Sony isn't even in the school yet.
tbcass
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Sample images on the net tend to have limited value because there is no way to know what settings were used and how stringent the the test shooting was. It only shows how a camera performs IQ wise under an extremely narrow range of environmental and and lighting conditions. So in essence I am just the opposite of you because, as a retired engineer, I tend to trust the data more than a few studio shots taken under a limited set of circumstances.
Pure data trumps anecdotal evidence every time for me but quite frankly I didn't see that much difference in those DPR RAW shots, certainly not to any significant degree.
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Look at the picture, not the pixels
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography because it causes people to fret over inconsequential issues.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63683676@N07/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
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ImageAmateur
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I am in awe..... that then some photogs are able to get such images as these with old Canon sensor tech.... as this 5D Flickriver stream.....
And I am no 'fanboy', currently I happen to have a Nikon.
But really, I have to wonder about all this sensor quibbling, when I see such as this...
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zakk9
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... which is the most recent Nikon competitor to the 7D II, the Canon is totally superior. As a Nikon user, using a D300 and other Nikon bodies for action photography, I would be more than thrilled to have a camera as good as the 7D II in the Nikon lineup. Photographers who can't make great photos with the new Canon should seriously consider taking up another hobby.
Paul B Jones
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Is it necessary to have an inferiority complex to own a Sony camera or just highly recommended?
tbcass
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You are absolutely right. All modern digital cameras are capable of excellent IQ when used within their limitations. In this case we are talking about APS-C or similar sensor sizes. All cameras produced in the last 6-8 years are capable of producing outstanding results. The difference is when pushing the sensors to limits with high iso. Even then all cameras with similar sized sensors produce images that are pretty much the same, so much so that we have to resort to pixel peeping to see the differences which some proudly proclaim are "huge" but in reality are quite small.
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