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Ricoh GR - why isn't it more popular?
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SunsetMagnet
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Image quality wise, i guess we have reached a state where its very hard to get bad quality image with current generation of sensors. But do bear in mind, Sensor size do matter a lot.
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The recent LX100 looks particularly very delicious. Picture above taken with Xvario, a camera that has been criticised for everything (including by me as an owner), but then because of the feel and build, i am often inspired to bring it out just to shoot, nvm that there are dozens of much cheaper cameras out there that has similar or better sensors, inspiration keeps u motivated.
So why is Ricoh GR not more popular? Its superlight and nice to use, in fact its probably more popular than anything ricoh has released in the past 4 years. maybe it just lacks that edge in making ppl feel "inspired".
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Harold66
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Hello magnetoshot
First, I would like to congratulate you on the picture in your post. This is a very good snapshot. Well done.
As for the GR, I am not sure if GR sales goals by Ricoh were not avhieved. Lots of people on these threads seem to have some inside knowledge about what Ricoh sales of the GR are ir should be.
For almost any given electronic product , a lot of has to do with how wide and developed the network distribution and the brand recognition are. Because of these two things, I believe that a best- selling digital camera by Ricoh , or Pentax even, could not reach the same numbers than a product made by say, Canon or Sony.
I am quite certain that Ricoh is fully aware of it and that they calculate their break-even point and sales goals accordingly.
Harold
First, I would like to congratulate you on the picture in your post. This is a very good snapshot. Well done.
As for the GR, I am not sure if GR sales goals by Ricoh were not avhieved. Lots of people on these threads seem to have some inside knowledge about what Ricoh sales of the GR are ir should be.
For almost any given electronic product , a lot of has to do with how wide and developed the network distribution and the brand recognition are. Because of these two things, I believe that a best- selling digital camera by Ricoh , or Pentax even, could not reach the same numbers than a product made by say, Canon or Sony.
I am quite certain that Ricoh is fully aware of it and that they calculate their break-even point and sales goals accordingly.
Harold
SunsetMagnet
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ShutterNot
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I had to decide on either a Ricoh GR or a Nikon Coolpix A. The Nikon used to sell for close to a $1000 and that was not competitive since it did nothing for that premium vs the Ricoh.
I managed to find an unopened new USA Nikon Coolpix for $550. The lower price propably is due to Nikon introducing the Coolpix A II early next year. Who knows what Ricoh's plans are for the future. Given the low price and the NIKON focusing a bit better in low light, that is what I ended up buying. I already own a NIKON, so the menu system should be familiar. I have also always appreciated NIKON's rendering of colors.
For better or worse, I look forward to using that camera.
I managed to find an unopened new USA Nikon Coolpix for $550. The lower price propably is due to Nikon introducing the Coolpix A II early next year. Who knows what Ricoh's plans are for the future. Given the low price and the NIKON focusing a bit better in low light, that is what I ended up buying. I already own a NIKON, so the menu system should be familiar. I have also always appreciated NIKON's rendering of colors.
For better or worse, I look forward to using that camera.
hiplnsdrftr
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As much as I like it, my guess is the horrible back focusing.
And most consumers think they need a zoom, a flip screen, a touch screen, a viewfinder?
And most consumers think they need a zoom, a flip screen, a touch screen, a viewfinder?
ShutterNot
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OOPS. i did read it incorrectly. I guess it was confusing because you lumped large sensor in with all the things the camera is missing. The large sensor is a positive, not a negative or shortcoming, like the rest.
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SunsetMagnet
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Obviously I disagree. I wasn't a Nikon shooter, but liked the A so much that now I am one, with a DSLR setup having joined it.
ONLY wide open and in the corners. But yeah, that's there if it matters to your shooting.
Matter of opinion, of course. I think the Ricoh interface was the best I'd used in the days or more limited sensors when you were CONSTANTLY having to make adjustments and trading off among the exposure variables to get the best balance possible. Having the ISO instantly adjustable on the ADJ lever was brilliant with the GRD series because with those sensors, you had to adjust ISO a LOT. Not so much with today's sensors, which are so much more flexible. I actually find the Ricoh interface too complex and fiddly for the way I'd use either the GR or the A. With this generation of cameras with these sensors, I'll take a fully developed auto-ISO system over a dedicated ISO lever and Nikon has the best auto-ISO system I've ever seen.
I'm not saying the Nikon has a BETTER interface, but that they're both down to personal preference and after much back and forth (because I'd been a dedicated Ricoh shooter for a few years and was not easily swayed), I actually came to prefer the Nikon's simpler interface. It's a slimmed down version of the interface in Nikon's DSLRs, which have been evolving for many years and frankly are as well thought out and implemented as any interface I've used. They're different, but saying one is better is nothing but an opinion...
Pretty nice, but I actually prefer a focus ring for changing focus distance when zone focussing. Snap focus is easier for switching between AF and MF quickly and seamlessly, but the A is no slouch for this and once in manual focus, I find it much easier and quicker and more intuitive to switch focus distances with a ring. Again, both are excellent for street photography.
Yep, this is a clear advantage.
This is an option - its' of no importance to me, so I don't see it as an advantage, but I guess it could be to some.
Yep
Neither is the Nikon - they both suck.
I wouldn't try to talk anyone out of the GR if they prefer it, but I don't buy that it's not a close call or that there aren't as many reasons to prefer the Nikon as the Ricoh. Price was the big one, but with the Nikon going for $699 with it's normally very expensive OVF now, price isn't an issue for the moment. I don't know if Nikon is killing this line or if the rumors are correct that they're coming out with a new one with a 24mp sensor, but either way, they're down to price parity now, and an advantage for the Nikon if you value the OVF, which I don't.
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Harold66
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I am quite confident that by the first half of 2015 we will have a new version ( 24mp sensor) for both cameras
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john10001
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The only reason is price!
Harold66
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It is very rare that there is only one factor that explains sales level and of course in the case of the Ricoh GR , there are at least 2 bigger reasons than price level
Harold
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