Is the Samsung NX1 competitive with the GH4?

I too hope we get a higher MP m43's camera in a few years to really take advantage of some of these lenses we have on offer. I think 24MP would be more than enough for all but the utmost demanding photographers as far as resolution is concerned. Of course as I'm sure you know, just adding MP won't do the system any favors (just look at the latest Nikon 1 series with higher MP... their images look worse than their older generation Nikon 1's). I'm banking on organic sensors penciling out close to what the lab tests have shown, and I predict we will see them within 3 years. Until then, at least for what I shoot, I'm more than satisfied with an almost pocketable D7000.
No need for that yet, I think. Judging from where the 1'' Sony sensor is in MP and high ISO, and where the latest FF sensors are, I bet they can make a 24MP m43 sensor with about half of stop better ISO. All current m43 cameras use a bit older tech sensors by today standards. I'm sure we'll see the next step in 2015, and I would bet they will almost equal 24 apsc from today. Sure APSC will also move one step further, that's why al these ,,versus,, talks are just nonsense. You know what you want, you know what you need so why not buy that ? Is that simple. I don't think one m43 shooter made this choice thinking they will get ff iq and dof, that would be ridiculous. Yet so, so many posts here from ff equivalent fans seems to imply, that we were just idiots.
 
Nothing can beat an mFT camera. This is a universal truth. My G1 is way better than any camera that Samsung will be make.
Do you really own G1? Can you prove it?

And, please, be careful with English grammar

Nothing can stop universal truth preacher.

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Camera in bag tends to stay in bag...
My G1 is on loan to Panasonic. Every day Panasonic engineers and coders perform animal sacrifices to it.
I understand you pain and your sacrifice. Also I'd like to express my deepest condolences on your great loss. That loss is not just your own , but for the Mankind and Universal Truth as a whole.

I dearly missed your ingenious photos.

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Camera in bag tends to stay in bag...
You sir have insulted me and I demand an apology. I would never soil myself and take pictures with my camera out of wedlock. Don't you know that the act of taking pictures outside of marriage is a sin? I'm not going to loosen up that tight shutter plane or dirtified the virgin sensor with photon until we are good and married.

My G1 is safely inside its original box, at night I may gently rub the box respectfully for a few minutes before putting it back in the specially built, vibration dampened, climate control chasity box.

She is now at Panansonic to be their muse.
 
Nothing can beat an mFT camera. This is a universal truth. My G1 is way better than any camera that Samsung will be make.
Do you really own G1? Can you prove it?

And, please, be careful with English grammar

Nothing can stop universal truth preacher.

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Camera in bag tends to stay in bag...
My G1 is on loan to Panasonic. Every day Panasonic engineers and coders perform animal sacrifices to it.
I understand you pain and your sacrifice. Also I'd like to express my deepest condolences on your great loss. That loss is not just your own , but for the Mankind and Universal Truth as a whole.

I dearly missed your ingenious photos.

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Camera in bag tends to stay in bag...
You sir have insulted me and I demand an apology. I would never soil myself and take pictures with my camera out of wedlock. Don't you know that the act of taking pictures outside of marriage is a sin? I'm not going to loosen up that tight shutter plane or dirtified the virgin sensor with photon until we are good and married.

My G1 is safely inside its original box, at night I may gently rub the box respectfully for a few minutes before putting it back in the specially built, vibration dampened, climate control chasity box.

She is now at Panansonic to be their muse.
take your camera with original box in bed during your night sleep. You have to start somehow, in some subtle ways...

Did you sin with any other camera meanwhile?

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Camera in bag tends to stay in bag...
 
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Nothing can beat an mFT camera. This is a universal truth. My G1 is way better than any camera that Samsung will be make.
Do you really own G1? Can you prove it?

And, please, be careful with English grammar

Nothing can stop universal truth preacher.

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Camera in bag tends to stay in bag...
My G1 is on loan to Panasonic. Every day Panasonic engineers and coders perform animal sacrifices to it.
I understand you pain and your sacrifice. Also I'd like to express my deepest condolences on your great loss. That loss is not just your own , but for the Mankind and Universal Truth as a whole.

I dearly missed your ingenious photos.

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Camera in bag tends to stay in bag...
You sir have insulted me and I demand an apology. I would never soil myself and take pictures with my camera out of wedlock. Don't you know that the act of taking pictures outside of marriage is a sin? I'm not going to loosen up that tight shutter plane or dirtified the virgin sensor with photon until we are good and married.

My G1 is safely inside its original box, at night I may gently rub the box respectfully for a few minutes before putting it back in the specially built, vibration dampened, climate control chasity box.

She is now at Panansonic to be their muse.
take your camera with original box in bed during your night sleep. You have to start somehow, in some subtle ways...

Did you sin with any other camera meanwhile?

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Camera in bag tends to stay in bag...
I have sinned in heart with many cameras but I've only half pressed their shutter buttons. Heaven forbid that I should ever fully release the shutter and let my photons into their sensor chambers.

Of course, if I were to trigger image capture, I would fully support our creation and will pay for its hosting until it turns 18 years of age. I'm no dead beat photographer. I don't spray and leave.
 
Nothing can beat an mFT camera. This is a universal truth. My G1 is way better than any camera that Samsung will be make.
Do you really own G1? Can you prove it?

And, please, be careful with English grammar

Nothing can stop universal truth preacher.
 
Maybe I haven't looked at the NX line enough, but why would I choose it over the established market leaders of M43, Fuji X, or Sony?

It's as good in general, but is it better?

More to the point, it doesn't appear to excel in one area over the other choices.

M43 has the size optimized lenses, the broad range of lenses, the video of the GH4, the polished photographic package and IBIS of the EM1, and the high end Panny and Oly glass.

Sony has the FF sensor, and good integration with the somewhat size optimized E mount lenses.

Fuji has the X-Trans sensor with its lovely color, and the wicked sharp Fujinon lenses. It's Leica on a budget.

If Pentax had thrown in with NX, the system might have been a major player. Pentax lenses exhibit that bit of extra IQ one finds in the serious optical companies, that might have given NX that 'better than anyone else' in at least one area. But, Pentax didn't.

I don't question that the NX line is a good one, and that Samsung's lens efforts have been surprisingly good. But, is there a compelling reason to choose it over the more established lines, with their 'excellent in all areas, outstanding in some' nature, and their broader product line?
 
Five pages of pointless arguments, based on inaccurate or blatantly wrong information in many cases. Five pages about sensor size in the abstract. And no info at all about how the cameras might actually compare. What an incredibly worthless thread, a complete waste of bytes on a database server.
 
Five pages of pointless arguments, based on inaccurate or blatantly wrong information in many cases. Five pages about sensor size in the abstract. And no info at all about how the cameras might actually compare. What an incredibly worthless thread, a complete waste of bytes on a database server.
Hit the flat view button then its only one page :-)
 
What I've seen of the Sammy glass indicates that it is quite good.

But...

If you're looking at a GH4 grade body, that is a fairly high end body, which means you'll be wanting fairly high end glass to get the most out of that body.

In that respect, there is no comparison. µ43 not only has far more high end glass, it is actively developing more high end glass than any mirrorless company. Even Sony can't keep up, let alone a company with a much smaller presence like Samsung.

Body specs aside, a camera is only as good as the lens mounted, and it is only as flexible as the lens line that can work on it.
It would be a big mistake to under estimate Samsung. They came from nowhere to dominate the television and the cell phone market. Cameras aren't going to be any different. Lucky for Olympus and Panasonic they didn't get into M43. APSC camera makers should be a little leery of them.

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1) TVs and phones: not a system, no investment. Want a new one: buy wahtever you like.
2) Systemcams/DSLRs: buy another body (brandwise) means buying new lenses too.
3) Because of lenses, just one exciting body is not enough. There is more need for consistency otherwise you jumped ship but the brand simply does not deliver.
4) BEcause of the lenses, people will compare those too. What compelling reason is there for an APS-c DSLR user (the largest gains are there) to go for a Samsung? The lenses are not smaller in general nor lighter.

So the choicemaking in the TV and Phone cams is different and much more comparable with buying a P&S cam I think.

Samsung has chosen to minimize the difference between its high end NX1 and DSLRs, one advantage (smaller body and lenses) has been eliminated (in their High IQ line of lenses). I think Fuji has made a muhc more sensible choice.
 
Have you guys LOOKED at Samsung's lenses? There are, at least on paper, some really nice options. What does m4/3 have that you would miss in Samsung?
 
What I've seen of the Sammy glass indicates that it is quite good.

But...

If you're looking at a GH4 grade body, that is a fairly high end body, which means you'll be wanting fairly high end glass to get the most out of that body.

In that respect, there is no comparison. µ43 not only has far more high end glass, it is actively developing more high end glass than any mirrorless company. Even Sony can't keep up, let alone a company with a much smaller presence like Samsung.

Body specs aside, a camera is only as good as the lens mounted, and it is only as flexible as the lens line that can work on it.
It would be a big mistake to under estimate Samsung.
Right, but it's no bigger mistake than to underestimate any big player in any area. And many big players just don't deliver.

OP question is asked too early. Wait for reviews and then read them. There are no full NX1 reviews now, so the thread is mostly about about speculations.
They came from nowhere to dominate the television and the cell phone market.
They were actually trying for many years before that, but they were mostly unknown.
Cameras aren't going to be any different.
Wrong. Cameras are certainly different from smartphones. So are Windows tablets that Samsung recently decided to stop manufacturing.

It would be too short-sighted to equate cameras and smartphones. Mobile market (smartphones and their components, displays, memory, etc) is what giving Samsung most profit. Computers, cameras, washing machines and refrigerators are all secondary.

They launched NX systems several years ago and so far it failed to gain any popularity. It looks like Samsung doesn't care. Even if NX1 becomes a gem (again, no reviews at this time), it's unlikely that they will shift focus to cameras.

Samsung's mobile department is now in troubles - even though they are a largest cellphone maker, they are losing market share. Mobile is likely where they will focus on in future. For Samsung it will be a tough fight with Apple and Chinese manufacturers for mobile dominance.

I doubt they have resources to focus on cameras too. Otherwise, they would have put way more marketing efforts in NX system earlier, when they didn't have troubles, but they haven't done that.

OP should have waited for reviews at least. Then, if reviews are positive (as I expect), one needs to consider lenses availability. Samsung lenses are severely lacking at this time comparing to micro 4/3, with no clear roadmap.

Then, only if two points above (reviews and lenses) are cleared, one may need to think about future - will they pay enough attention to camera considering that they haven't before, and now, when they are losing mobile dominance?
Lucky for Olympus and Panasonic they didn't get into M43.
Don't overestimate Samsung too. They haven't changed APS-C market after several years; they wouldn't affect m4/3 market either, even if they were smart enough to join m4/3.
 
I think they are serious about the camera business. Cell phone cameras are in an an arms race right now and they are a key item consumers look for. I think Samsung realizes that there is a big potential market of people migrating to conventional cameras from cells. They have the biggest slice of the cell market and some brand loyalty. They make their own sensors and have a talented and large research department. Canon and Nikon don't have a big presence in the APSC mirror less market so there is an opening that they can exploit.The latest model from Samsung appears to be a big leap in engineering from the previous models. To me that says they are getting committed.
 
What I've seen of the Sammy glass indicates that it is quite good.

But...

If you're looking at a GH4 grade body, that is a fairly high end body, which means you'll be wanting fairly high end glass to get the most out of that body.

In that respect, there is no comparison. µ43 not only has far more high end glass, it is actively developing more high end glass than any mirrorless company. Even Sony can't keep up, let alone a company with a much smaller presence like Samsung.

Body specs aside, a camera is only as good as the lens mounted, and it is only as flexible as the lens line that can work on it.
Hmmm, maybe you should do a bit of research first.

Here's much more expensive Leica 15mm f1.7/ vs Samsung NX 30mm f2,I don't really like to quote DXO, but some people like it and it is easy to compare. I think the Samsung looks pretty good by any standard against the Panasonic Leica.



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So it is size most likely. And that is the comparison. As a system, if you want a high end cam, the NX1 is not providing singificant size reduction. While Oly and Panny are doing so and those who buy into them do know that it is not without its downsides (I hope). NX1 needs to do a lot MUHC better than a D7100 or 7200 to get Nikon and/or Canon users abandon ship. It is not going to happen I think.
And for those who wnet in it for size: they are not going to be happy with what Samsung gives them there I think.

But we'll see. I hope it is a very good cam. The lenses are really good already btw, so no reason to hesitate there I think.
It is funny you talked about smaller size yet the GH4 is actually a bit more heavier than the Samsung NX1 (size is similar), yet the NX1 has a larger sensor and higher spec.
 
Without a doubt they have potential. But they were the worst of all in figuring out what they need to make. They were here in 2010, sooner than Sony. And then they derailed. Body wise. The lenses are good though optically. But I stand by my point that their choice for large and heavy lenses is a mistake.

Look at their macro lens and compare it to the 60 mm weathersealed Oly macro. It weighs more than twice as much!
Their 85 mm f1.4: big and heavy!

And that is the story of their system. And in this way, they simply have to compete with more than just DSLR APS-cs. It is also competing with the FF Sony mirrorless cams now...
I have my non-educated guess:

Sony bought Minolta, thus SONY did not start from the scratch.

Panasonic paired with Olympus, and got some know-how and something to mock-up for starters.

Samsung had started from the scratch.

Also, I believe that Samsung follows oriental mentality: either very small or very big.
 
But, is there a compelling reason to choose it over the more established lines, with their 'excellent in all areas, outstanding in some' nature, and their broader product line?
Here is my reason for using Samsung NX as my main camera (note my gear), lens size (has the most pancake lens, 10/f3.5, 16/f2.4, 20/f2.8, 30/f2, 45/f1.8, 16-50 pancake zoom), lens quality (compare to Sony), price is the lowest (in my area), best UI of the camera that I have, color is fairly accurate (better than Fuji or Sony, important for me since I use a lot of legacy lens). That is just for me, others will have other priorities.
 
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Especially glass that are attached to cameras with completely different megapixel numbers. The only way to better compare the glass is to shoot the same subject with both, and do a normalized to print viewing angle on the screen (This is not at 100% viewing, its more like using dpreviews studio tool and hitting the print button) and checking sharpness in the center, corners etc. The reason for this is that, to more objectively test lens quality we have to first normalize the sensors/cameras.

I have used that 30mm on an NX30 (my co-worker has one). Its good lens, but it was not as sharp as the Panny 15mm I tested against it using my EM-10 and when I had the PL15 using the method I described above.
 
Especially glass that are attached to cameras with completely different megapixel numbers. The only way to better compare the glass is to shoot the same subject with both, and do a normalized to print viewing angle on the screen (This is not at 100% viewing, its more like using dpreviews studio tool and hitting the print button) and checking sharpness in the center, corners etc. The reason for this is that, to more objectively test lens quality we have to first normalize the sensors/cameras.

I have used that 30mm on an NX30 (my co-worker has one). Its good lens, but it was not as sharp as the Panny 15mm I tested against it using my EM-10 and when I had the PL15 using the method I described above.
Why do we have to do tests. Don't we all know that mFT have the best lenses? That is obvious isn't it? don't you know that only mFT lens maker sknow how to make lenses.
 

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