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MisterHairy said:
Digetydog said:
I have a law license. Sadly, some of my peers are not "professionals" despite what the State Bar says. A Professional is defined but what he/she accomplishes. They are not defined by a piece of paper.
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Ah. You will notice, if you read my words carefully, as one would hope you are capable of doing given your education, that I have only ever typed the word "profession". A professional is simply one who works for remuneration. The work which one undertakes whilst being a professional may not be a profession though but I think that you know that.
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I can't help but wonder where this new distinction--profession vs. professional--was twelve hours ago, when you wrote this:
MisterHairy said:
There is no such thing as a "pro" photographer since it is a trade and not a profession.
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So, if a "professional" now is "simply one who works for remuneration," then you are disagreeing with your earlier self--unless, of course, I am misunderstanding what you meant "pro" to abbreviate in this earlier missive of yours.

You've just written yourself into quite the tizzy on this one, Mister Hairy. Maybe it's time for further citation or another "Globally Accepted Directive?"

I, for one, can't wait.
 
Ah. A much more measured response but you have made a schoolboy error there. Not once have I typed the word "professional", only ever "profession".

One may be a professional window cleaner, a professional footballer, a professional web designer or even a professional hairdresser but none of these is a profession.

Typically, nowadays, the entry requirements for membership of a profession will be a minimum of a first degree (although typically higher) acquired from an approved institute which offers a syllabus which is approved by the appointed regulatory body for said profession. That regulating body is crucial in the definition too. All recognised professions have their own governing bodies in each practising territory although many (such as the IMechE and IEEE) cover multiple territories and these bodies are tasked with maintaining the standards of their respective professions.

Working for contracted remuneration makes one a professional but few professionals are occupied in a profession. It's a pedantic distinction, I agree, but the distinction exists nonetheless.

It is normally members of the higher trades, who wrongly consider their occupations as professions, who have issues with these definitions, but they are generally recognised and upheld. These are not my definitions.

One may not proclaim oneself to be a medical practitioner without appropriate qualification and regulatory membership, and the penalties for doing so may be severe. The same is true for Engineers, Solicitors/Lawyers and Judges as well as all of the other professions. One faces no such obstacles when proclaiming oneself to be a photographer, regardless of experience or capability or sensitivity to one's clients' needs.

It is perfectly legitimate to describe oneself as a "professional photographer" but one should not describe photography as a "profession". I think that you get that, but the distinction is important and worthy of repeating.
 
I do have a lefty BR sling strap, which is useful when I have to quickly attach a strap to a camera, without taking the time to attach to the strap lugs. I used a Sun Sniper sling strap previously, until I misplaced it. My wife uses the Sun Sniper with the metal cable inside the strap, for better cut-resistance. My Magpul single-point sling, made for rifles, beats both the BR and Sun Sniper for comfort. ;-) Really, however, I prefer that my cameras not hang upside down, so I only like using a sling strap when I can affix it to the tripod foot of a tele lens.


I wear a badge and pistol, and make evidentiary images at night, which incorporates elements of portrait, macro, still life, landscape, architecture, and PJ. I enjoy using both Canons and Nikons.



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I may be missing something but won't the camera still hang upside down, if the strap is connected to the lens tripod mount?
 
Optimus Prime Lens said:
I may be missing something but won't the camera still hang upside down, if the strap is connected to the lens tripod mount?
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Many, perhaps most tripod collars can be rotated. Some only rotate 90 degrees; some more than that. Even 90 degrees results in a much better carry angle, for me.

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I wear a badge and pistol, and make evidentiary images at night, which incorporates elements of portrait, macro, still life, landscape, architecture, and PJ. I enjoy using both Canons and Nikons.
 
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chuxter said:
Thank you for this straight forward and comprehensive approach to this question.

I think you take some beautiful pictures!
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Problem with this approach is that professional does not necessarily mean a practitioner of a profession.

Professional simply means one who undertakes a job of work for regular commensurate remuneration, perhaps as part of a contract or employment.

Professions represent a subset of all occupations where the distinction is one of regulation and required qualification for membership.

For example, to practise law or medicine (in first world countries) one must be appropriately qualified and fully subscribed to and recognised by the regulatory bodies for those professions. To practise photography, one must only have access to a camera. Even skill is not a prerequisite.
 
Rexgig0 said:
Optimus Prime Lens said:
I may be missing something but won't the camera still hang upside down, if the strap is connected to the lens tripod mount?
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Many, perhaps most tripod collars can be rotated. Some only rotate 90 degrees; some more than that. Even 90 degrees results in a much better carry angle, for me.
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...and what are you using for attachment if you change lenses often and especially if you now and then (or more often) use a prime without collar? It seems pretty inane to attach the strap to the lens in my opinion. Quite a lot of trouble to change lens, so please explain, what is the advantage in this "magic strap" compared to standard strap attachment?
 
Rick Knepper said:
carlvalle com said:
So since the newer FX Nikons are now equipped with what used to be known as the amateur interface, should we now classify the D800 D810 and D4 D3 as Pro cameras? much the same as the D200, D300 in DX were called pro? Should the D600, D610, and D750 really be called "Pro" with their scene modes, and U1 U2 knobs? And what about the DF what the heck is that?

So should there then be a PRO FX forum and an amateur FX
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Optimus Prime Lens said:
I prefer that my cameras not hang upside down, so I only like using a sling strap when I can affix it to the tripod foot of a tele lens.
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How do you do when you change lens to a macro lens? Do you shift the strap to the camera tripod attachment, not use a strap with macro lens or shift the strap to the standard strap rings?

Seems very complicated in all the cases to use different strapping method.
 
MiraShootsNikon said:
MisterHairy said:
Digetydog said:
I have a law license. Sadly, some of my peers are not "professionals" despite what the State Bar says. A Professional is defined but what he/she accomplishes. They are not defined by a piece of paper.
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Ah. You will notice, if you read my words carefully, as one would hope you are capable of doing given your education, that I have only ever typed the word "profession". A professional is simply one who works for remuneration. The work which one undertakes whilst being a professional may not be a profession though but I think that you know that.
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I can't help but wonder where this new distinction--profession vs. professional--was twelve hours ago, when you wrote this:
MiraShootsNikon said:
There is no such thing as a "pro" photographer since it is a trade and not a profession.
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So, if a "professional" now is "simply one who works for remuneration," then you are disagreeing with your earlier self--unless, of course, I am misunderstanding what you meant "pro" to abbreviate in this earlier missive of yours.

You've just written yourself into quite the tizzy on this one, Mister Hairy. Maybe it's time for further citation or another "Globally Accepted Directive?"

I, for one, can't wait.
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Yep. You got me fair and square. It took a while. :-) It is not a new definition though.

It is noteworthy how it is always the tradesmen of the world who argue most avidly against the definition of professions.

I should thank you for your "snake oil" comment, by the way. It is exactly this sort of behaviour, that of selling "medicinal" practice without understanding, qualification or regulation, which led to the retention and indeed tightening of the regulation of the professions.

I am not in a tizzy, by the way. I have had a good night's sleep and it seems that you have suffered all of the anxiety over my cheeky comment.

To give a little context, I retired from a profession (MEng IMechE member with 25 years' consultancy and practice behind me) and moved into a more sedate occupation (owner of a commercial imaging "house") after making enough cash to dial life down a little and take it easy. I remain a member of the Engineering profession although I no longer practise it. I now only have an occupation or a trade. ;-)
 
Alan Brown said:
inasir1971 said:
n/t
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Then we would have no posts to look at :)
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Yes well, we can ALWAYS turn a thread into something else.

Look at this thread, there are at least three different subjects to discuss here:
  1. Use of the word Profession and Professional and definitions of those words.
  2. Straps and strapping method.
  3. Should amateurs be allowed to post here or not?
 
olyflyer said:
Rexgig0 said:
Optimus Prime Lens said:
I may be missing something but won't the camera still hang upside down, if the strap is connected to the lens tripod mount?
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Many, perhaps most tripod collars can be rotated. Some only rotate 90 degrees; some more than that. Even 90 degrees results in a much better carry angle, for me.
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...and what are you using for attachment if you change lenses often and especially if you now and then (or more often) use a prime without collar? It seems pretty inane to attach the strap to the lens in my opinion. Quite a lot of trouble to change lens, so please explain, what is the advantage in this "magic strap" compared to standard strap attachment?
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Who said it was "magic?" The BR sling strap is NOT my preferred carry method; I only use it occasionally. I simply answered Optimus Prime's question. As indicated above, I prefer straps that attach to the strap lugs, especially the Leica 14312 strap. I keep such a strap, attached to the strap lugs, adjusted long, so the camera is carried under one arm, while the strap passes over the opposite shoulder.

I do not change lenses often, when using this set-up, because I use only one long tele lens with a tripod foot. I would rather carry a second camera, with a compact prime lens, or my Nikon A, than swap the tele for a closer-range shot. If I did wish to remove the big tele, and affix a different lens, however, the strap being attached to the tripod foot would allow the big tele to be left hanging, which could be convenient in its own way.
 
olyflyer said:
Optimus Prime Lens said:
I prefer that my cameras not hang upside down, so I only like using a sling strap when I can affix it to the tripod foot of a tele lens.
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How do you do when you change lens to a macro lens? Do you shift the strap to the camera tripod attachment, not use a strap with macro lens or shift the strap to the standard strap rings?

Seems very complicated in all the cases to use different strapping method.
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I rarely, if ever, use my long tele and a macro lens on the same camera, during the same shoot. I normally use the BR sling strap with just one lens, my Canon EF 400mm 5.6L. (Its tripod foot, when loosened, rotates 360 degrees.) A second camera will usually ride in a belt pouch or bag, to be used in preference to changing lenses.
 
Ok, you want a Pro FX Forum where you would find yourself more comfortable right?

Can we have a peek at your Pro work that would be suitable for that Pro Forum? :-D
 
Virtual Photon said:
We were in Sedona having lunch and I started chuckling cause this guy in line had a D4 with a 24-70. Nice camera. Nice lens. Pricey equipment right. When my wife asked me why I was laughing I said that the only reason I noticed was because his yellow and black strap said "Nikon D4" and the only reason anyone would put that strap on was to let EVERYONE know he'd just dropped 7K on camera equipment. I mean the guy can't afford a 40 buck comfortable strap? The pros I know roll their eyes when I tell them that story

My point is, the equipment sure don't make you a pro (and neither does the strap). I have some very good equipment and I sure wouldn't consider myself a pro.
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It may be worth a chuckle if it was a D4 strap on a Coolpix S3100, but if its on a D4? It's a D4 strap. Maybe it's me, but I don't see the problem ... I did see a photographer using a Fender guitar strap on a Mamiya once, but that's a different story.
 
Stuart001 said:
Virtual Photon said:
We were in Sedona having lunch and I started chuckling cause this guy in line had a D4 with a 24-70. Nice camera. Nice lens. Pricey equipment right. When my wife asked me why I was laughing I said that the only reason I noticed was because his yellow and black strap said "Nikon D4" and the only reason anyone would put that strap on was to let EVERYONE know he'd just dropped 7K on camera equipment. I mean the guy can't afford a 40 buck comfortable strap? The pros I know roll their eyes when I tell them that story

My point is, the equipment sure don't make you a pro (and neither does the strap). I have some very good equipment and I sure wouldn't consider myself a pro.
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It may be worth a chuckle if it was a D4 strap on a Coolpix S3100, but if its on a D4? It's a D4 strap. Maybe it's me, but I don't see the problem ... I did see a photographer using a Fender guitar strap on a Mamiya once, but that's a different story.
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I have a very old Nikon strap - the one Nikon used to sell for $35 as an optional accessory back in the 80s - that strap was used with my F3 now it is with my D800



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Good idea

Even though I do not have FX it is overcrowded.

Regards

Roger.
 
chuxter said:
JP Scherrer said:
Apparently you are just as snob as the OP !
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I don't think the OP and I are snobs. I was just being a devils advocate and suggesting that segregation is not always a bad thing [even in this insane, PC world]. I gave no clue as to which "side" I would inhabit! I may be an intermediate who enjoys skiing with novices more than the hot-dog experts. :-)
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Since you admit that SEGREGATION -in any form- can be good or useful, I can only say that we don't share the same views, hence there's no way to keep discussing this subject (or any other).

:-P
 
.....and he allready got 100 comments to this post -where BTW he hasn't posted ONE comment after the OP- I believe he can be very proud !

More than 95% of us agree to find his proposal to be stupid, but the thread keeps growing....

That's a good start in DPReview !

:-D
 
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