There are several definitions of "professional". You seem to deny most of them exist.
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Simple man
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Dictionary.com give some insight regarding professional. In defining the word it also leads to definitions for other words. Profession, learned profession etc.
Boiler installers, gardeners and builders are in fact professions. Some get upset about it. But in the truest since of the word; they are professionals. See dictionary.com for their example "he's a professional builder". (Which suggest someone in one of the building trades.)
A synonym for profession is employment.
The words "learned profession" refer to any of 3 vocations theology, law and medicine; areas that require a high degree of learning. The original language root ties the word back to "profess". It was religiously used as a public profession of religious faith and devotion. Over time it came to apply to various stages of learning. Then in the 1600's began to be applied to people's occupations in general.
So people who say certain jobs that are not related to medicine, theology or law are some what incorrect when claiming the word "professional" cannot be used in reference to a general occupation; occupations with which a person earns a living. Gardeners, boiler installers and photographers who are earning a living in their respected fields. Are in fact professionals. Unlike doctors, lawyers and theologians that are not mere professionals; they are learned professionals.
Professional also carries a definition that can easily be applied to photography. It has the definition as follows " a person who earns a living in a sport or other occupation* that is frequently engaged in by amateurs".
Photography is definitely an occupation that is frequently engaged in by amateurs. The vast majority of people I know are not professional. Though the quality of work some of them produce compares to or even excels that of some professionals. Nevertheless they do not make a living doing it; there for they are not pro.
Why do people argue so much over the word pro? If you make a living doing it. Your a pro. (Pro being a shortened form of the word professional).
*Occupation of course being a persons usual work or business; which may or may not require higher learning.
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Yeah, yeah definitely. That is one definition of that particular Chinese character. But it also has a slang meaning. It means "Free parking in rear". The Chinese man that you asked about its definition that nodded his head yes to the first definition…… Probably giggled himself to sleep thinking about its slang definition; and your new tattoo.
Joey Walker
Boiler installers, gardeners and builders are in fact professions. Some get upset about it. But in the truest since of the word; they are professionals. See dictionary.com for their example "he's a professional builder". (Which suggest someone in one of the building trades.)
A synonym for profession is employment.
The words "learned profession" refer to any of 3 vocations theology, law and medicine; areas that require a high degree of learning. The original language root ties the word back to "profess". It was religiously used as a public profession of religious faith and devotion. Over time it came to apply to various stages of learning. Then in the 1600's began to be applied to people's occupations in general.
So people who say certain jobs that are not related to medicine, theology or law are some what incorrect when claiming the word "professional" cannot be used in reference to a general occupation; occupations with which a person earns a living. Gardeners, boiler installers and photographers who are earning a living in their respected fields. Are in fact professionals. Unlike doctors, lawyers and theologians that are not mere professionals; they are learned professionals.
Professional also carries a definition that can easily be applied to photography. It has the definition as follows " a person who earns a living in a sport or other occupation* that is frequently engaged in by amateurs".
Photography is definitely an occupation that is frequently engaged in by amateurs. The vast majority of people I know are not professional. Though the quality of work some of them produce compares to or even excels that of some professionals. Nevertheless they do not make a living doing it; there for they are not pro.
Why do people argue so much over the word pro? If you make a living doing it. Your a pro. (Pro being a shortened form of the word professional).
*Occupation of course being a persons usual work or business; which may or may not require higher learning.
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Yeah, yeah definitely. That is one definition of that particular Chinese character. But it also has a slang meaning. It means "Free parking in rear". The Chinese man that you asked about its definition that nodded his head yes to the first definition…… Probably giggled himself to sleep thinking about its slang definition; and your new tattoo.
Joey Walker
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I don't think the OP and I are snobs. I was just being a devils advocate and suggesting that segregation is not always a bad thing [even in this insane, PC world]. I gave no clue as to which "side" I would inhabit! I may be an intermediate who enjoys skiing with novices more than the hot-dog experts.
mais51
Senior Member
Never used the trap that come with the camera - when I got my F3 back in 1982 the first thing I did was bough a new comfort trap and replaced the eye piece. Now every Nikon came with a trap loudly telling the world what kind of camera it is - my D70 just came with a plain vanilla trap with a simple Nikon word on.
Regarding pro-equipment if you want to joint Nikon Professional Services (NPS) you must have pro-grade cameras and lenses and they tell you what kind of Nikon gears qualify as pro-grade:
Professional grade camera bodies, from the list below
- D4s, D4, D3x, D3s, D3, D810, D800e, D800, D750, D700, D610, D600, Df, D300s
Professional grade lenses (these include Nikkor f2.8 zooms, f1.4 primes and our 200mm and larger super tele primes).
So there is no need to create a new Pro-forum.
Digetydog
Senior Member
I have a law license. Sadly, some of my peers are not "professionals" despite what the State Bar says. A Professional is defined but what he/she accomplishes. They are not defined by a piece of paper.
After re-reading the OP's post several times, I'm not really sure he intended it to be a snob post, but rather an honest segmenting of FX bodies.
Regardless, I would be delighted if we could have a special post for the snobs to hang out. I am totally an amateur, and don't even claim to be a very good one at that. But, I love photography and the gear that makes it possible. And I relish being able to pick the brains of those here that are willing to share their knowledge.
Those who aren't so disposed, fine for them, let them enjoy their secret self-congratulation society. No great loss.
Regardless, I would be delighted if we could have a special post for the snobs to hang out. I am totally an amateur, and don't even claim to be a very good one at that. But, I love photography and the gear that makes it possible. And I relish being able to pick the brains of those here that are willing to share their knowledge.
Those who aren't so disposed, fine for them, let them enjoy their secret self-congratulation society. No great loss.
Rich Rosen
Senior Member
Yea! The persecuted and paranoids forum.While I understand and agree with your whining about scene modes, I fail to see anything wrong with U1/U2. And Df deserves own forum, as least to rid off all naysayers
Murray Bowles
Senior Member
It is funny how that works. It seems the more you spend the worse strap you get? My Df strap is less comfortable than my D300 strap.
Antony John
Senior Member
as Pros make money from photography - and it would help keep the rats and mice out too.
Then again, aren't forums like this available elsewhere already?
Then again, aren't forums like this available elsewhere already?
backayonder
Senior Member
We could all just go out and take some pictures.
That guy is probably chuckling too because he made you green with envy. Win-win for both of you... all because of a strap.
j_photo
Veteran Member
Rexgig0
Veteran Member
Perhaps the subject of your story had just taken delivery of his D4, while his after-market strap was back-ordered?
Perhaps he likes Nikon straps? I have seen photographers, who appear to be shooting for money, using the factory-supplied straps. To some folks, any strap that performs adequately is OK. Is it "professional" to spend money unnecessarily on a mundane piece of equipment?
Third-party straps have become the subject of snob appeal/gear-acquisition syndrome, too.
FWIW, when I shoot at work, (forensic/evidentiary photography,) I do not normally use a strap, because if I let the camera hang, it will be against the equipment I wear on my duty belt, which is not kind to the exterior of my camera, flash, and lenses. Depending upon the environment, I may attach a strap to serve as a drop-safe tether.
My favorite strap for personal shooting is a factory-supplied strap, though I do not own a camera of that brand, so have to buy them as accessories. It is very comfortable, which is why I use this strap. The nylon is soft to the touch, and there is a just-right rubber gripping portion. It has snob appeal, if attached to the matching brand of camera, but with its very discreet logo, with no contrasting colors, probably not one in ten thousand shooters would notice that it is a Leica 14312 strap affixed to a Nikon SLR. ;-)
I do have a lefty BR sling strap, which is useful when I have to quickly attach a strap to a camera, without taking the time to attach to the strap lugs. I used a Sun Sniper sling strap previously, until I misplaced it. My wife uses the Sun Sniper with the metal cable inside the strap, for better cut-resistance. My Magpul single-point sling, made for rifles, beats both the BR and Sun Sniper for comfort. ;-) Really, however, I prefer that my cameras not hang upside down, so I only like using a sling strap when I can affix it to the tripod foot of a tele lens.
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I wear a badge and pistol, and make evidentiary images at night, which incorporates elements of portrait, macro, still life, landscape, architecture, and PJ. I enjoy using both Canons and Nikons.
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chlamchowder
Senior Member
If you don't like the yellow text, it takes less than five seconds to flip the strap around so the black part shows. The "yellow" side of the strap also does a better job of taking away sweat.
And I've never experienced neck bruising from camera straps. I have both a D600 and D3s, and use the stock straps on both. I personally think the included straps are quite nice. Spending $20-25 on aftermarket straps seems unnecessary when the included Nikon straps get the job done.
tommiejeep
Veteran Member
the Nikon straps may get the job done for you but there are many more that get the job done and are comfortable. The only Nikon strap I use is the one on the Df because it is not like the others. It is soft and very flexible so I can wrap it around like a wrist strap.
To me spending another $20-40 on a comfortable strap for a $2,000 plus camera is a no-brainer. I am not a fan of neck straps anyway but some times have to use them.
Just my 2 Rupees
To me spending another $20-40 on a comfortable strap for a $2,000 plus camera is a no-brainer. I am not a fan of neck straps anyway but some times have to use them.
Just my 2 Rupees
MisterHairy
Senior Member
Ah. You will notice, if you read my words carefully, as one would hope you are capable of doing given your education, that I have only ever typed the word "profession". A professional is simply one who works for remuneration. The work which one undertakes whilst being a professional may not be a profession though but I think that you know that.
MisterHairy
Senior Member
I hope the next time you require an MD or a good lawyer, that they are both fully qualified and accredited members of their professions. One would not want to be diagnosed by an MD who was not approved by the ruling body in his territory.
This is the distinction between a profession and an occupation; the qualification and accreditation by the appointed regulating body which ensure that the profession in well served by its members and in turn, so are its "customers". It essentially guarantees to maintain a prescribed quality of service. No such body exists for photography, which ever you slice it.
Rick Knepper
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