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Laurence Matson
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I am not sure we want to get into another flame war about this. The megapixel count is quite irrelevant here unless you are interested in useless discussions.
Do a search in this forum if you want to read the full discussions. They go back 18 months now.
The truth is in the image. However, as you indicated in the Mark's thread, you see the 10D image as superior. Fair enough. Buy it and enjoy it.
Laurence
http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/sd9_images
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
Do a search in this forum if you want to read the full discussions. They go back 18 months now.
The truth is in the image. However, as you indicated in the Mark's thread, you see the 10D image as superior. Fair enough. Buy it and enjoy it.
Laurence
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Sifodyas
Forum Enthusiast
Last I checked, a 10D was £1250 (without lens), while a SD9 is £899 (no lens), or £1249 with a 17-35mm EX lens (warehouse express).
The images produced by the camera speak volumes. The rest is down to personal choice.
(Edit: ParkCameras sell the SD9 with a 15-30 EX lens fo £1269).
The images produced by the camera speak volumes. The rest is down to personal choice.
(Edit: ParkCameras sell the SD9 with a 15-30 EX lens fo £1269).
K Joseph
Senior Member
Thanks for the friendly reminder clickdotinc.
I'm still in 'awe' concerning the sharpness and detail produced by this chip. Every so often, i'm under the impression that my chip grows with usage, but now that you've put it into prospective, now I understand this isn't the case. Never the less i LOVE my camera
But enjoy which ever tool you pic... after all, cameras don't make great photos.. Photographers do
Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
I'm still in 'awe' concerning the sharpness and detail produced by this chip. Every so often, i'm under the impression that my chip grows with usage, but now that you've put it into prospective, now I understand this isn't the case. Never the less i LOVE my camera
But enjoy which ever tool you pic... after all, cameras don't make great photos.. Photographers do
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Sigma SD9
24-70EX
Olympus c4040z
http://kwietone0.tripod.com
Gallery
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/kosly_joseph
MdjHtown
Senior Member
To be fair to clickdotinc if you look at the fence and the foliage on Marks picture they are sharper on the Canon 10D compared to the SD9. However if you look at the fountain the SD9 is sharper. To me the two shots are not focussing on the same subject and so it is not really a good comparison (apples and oranges and all that, which it was anyway because of the different lenses used as was pointed out). If however Mark was trying his hardest to focus the 10D on the fountain then I would say the results of the 10D are dissapointing (or it is all Mark's fault).
What I would really like is for somebody to post two pictures and not tell us which is shot with which camera. Then we can vote and later he reveals which shot was made with which camera.
If the Sigma SD9 is only a 3mp camera it must be all down to the superb photographers who are using this camera
Enjoy your 10D clicdotinc. I know I am enjoying my SD9.
Cheers,
Marcel
What I would really like is for somebody to post two pictures and not tell us which is shot with which camera. Then we can vote and later he reveals which shot was made with which camera.
If the Sigma SD9 is only a 3mp camera it must be all down to the superb photographers who are using this camera
Enjoy your 10D clicdotinc. I know I am enjoying my SD9.
Cheers,
Marcel
Marky boy
Senior Member
Whilst I respect everyones opinions, unless you have compared both at first hand, you are not really qualified to make this kind of judgement and as such you should not be so quick to dismiss something you know nothing about.
We use both professionaly and if you read through the entire thread you already made comment on, you may learn that this is not all about pixel count.
The Foveon chip certainly does something a bit special.
Have a look at one, you might actually surprise yourself!
£899 inc a 24-70 lens (photo factory) pretty good value against a 10D.
As I said before, both good, both different.
We use both professionaly and if you read through the entire thread you already made comment on, you may learn that this is not all about pixel count.
The Foveon chip certainly does something a bit special.
Have a look at one, you might actually surprise yourself!
£899 inc a 24-70 lens (photo factory) pretty good value against a 10D.
As I said before, both good, both different.
Marky boy
Senior Member
If however Mark was trying his hardest to focus the
The 10D had problems focusing on the small area of the fountain and the reason the fence and greenery look better on the 10D is that is where it was focusing, despite the sensor telling us differently!
The Sigma on the other hand, focused bang on every time and every picture we took with the Sigma on the bird was tack sharp.
The Sigma is not perfect however......... but what camera is?
I do like the Sigma and reckon the people knocking it have never tried it.
The example posted was typical of the 10D shots taken with the L lens.
The 10D had problems focusing on the small area of the fountain and the reason the fence and greenery look better on the 10D is that is where it was focusing, despite the sensor telling us differently!
The Sigma on the other hand, focused bang on every time and every picture we took with the Sigma on the bird was tack sharp.
The Sigma is not perfect however......... but what camera is?
I do like the Sigma and reckon the people knocking it have never tried it.
allen Bock91889
Leading Member
If you can not see the difference and you are hung up on pixel count then you should buy the 10D you will not be happy with the SD9. The SD9 is not for everyone. But I am enjoying my camera very much.
Happy shooting and enjoy what ever you buy.
Allen
Happy shooting and enjoy what ever you buy.
Allen
...by Foveon's standards.
I'm not sure how spreading out the red, green, and blue sensors, which adds the requirement to interpolate both pixel color and position and results in spatial and mathematical artifacts, plus the need for a blur filter could ever make image quality better.
I viewed a lot of images and played with the software before choosing. The SD-9's 14MP RAW output was substantially smoother, more precise, and completely artifact free. The Canon's interpolated 6MP image showed too much blur for this amount of money, as well as noticably lower resolution.
The Foveon sensor still has some growing pains, and the 10D was a close second place in front of the D100 then S2, but in the end the SD-9's pristine image quality was too strong to overlook. It didn't hurt that I got an SD-9, a 24-70mm, a 70-300mm, and an EF-500 flash, shipped, for the same cost as a 10D body... ...but that's not why I picked the Sigma.
I'm not sure how spreading out the red, green, and blue sensors, which adds the requirement to interpolate both pixel color and position and results in spatial and mathematical artifacts, plus the need for a blur filter could ever make image quality better.
I viewed a lot of images and played with the software before choosing. The SD-9's 14MP RAW output was substantially smoother, more precise, and completely artifact free. The Canon's interpolated 6MP image showed too much blur for this amount of money, as well as noticably lower resolution.
The Foveon sensor still has some growing pains, and the 10D was a close second place in front of the D100 then S2, but in the end the SD-9's pristine image quality was too strong to overlook. It didn't hurt that I got an SD-9, a 24-70mm, a 70-300mm, and an EF-500 flash, shipped, for the same cost as a 10D body... ...but that's not why I picked the Sigma.
Thomas Ko
Leading Member
u know what, a 6M Foveon X3 Sensor will beat 1Ds's resolution...
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70-200/2.8
rick decker
Forum Pro
Sounds like male PIXEL ENVY! We don't have it here on the Sigma Forum although I would jump at 6mp.
You might read this thread if you haven't yet:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=5348279
(SD-9 Arrived Yesterday by Mark Boy on this forum)
Here are the TOP TEN reasons for choosing the 10D over the SD9:
10. I get more megapixels for the mega bucks.
9. I won't irritate my hand rubbing it over Canon's silky smooth images.
The snake in the SD9 picture was so life-like it bit my hand.
8. I am down to my last disposable camera and need a new line.
7. I was a computer systems manager in the 70's and 80's and I always bought IBM
6. More people shoot the Canon so it has to be better. I follow the herd.
5. Everyone knows Sigma lenses Scuck.
4. Accurate AF is important to me. I own the ruler company that Canon now packages with their 10D.
3. The Canon forum has nicer people and nicer posts.
2. The NRA recommends it (because of the name).
AND THE NUMBER ONE REASON TO CHOOSE CANON 10D:
1. My handle has the word "IDIOT" in it.
Now please don't take it personally, buy your 10D and have a lot of fun. I have seen some great pictures from it.
.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........
http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
You might read this thread if you haven't yet:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=5348279
(SD-9 Arrived Yesterday by Mark Boy on this forum)
Here are the TOP TEN reasons for choosing the 10D over the SD9:
10. I get more megapixels for the mega bucks.
9. I won't irritate my hand rubbing it over Canon's silky smooth images.
The snake in the SD9 picture was so life-like it bit my hand.
8. I am down to my last disposable camera and need a new line.
7. I was a computer systems manager in the 70's and 80's and I always bought IBM
6. More people shoot the Canon so it has to be better. I follow the herd.
5. Everyone knows Sigma lenses Scuck.
4. Accurate AF is important to me. I own the ruler company that Canon now packages with their 10D.
3. The Canon forum has nicer people and nicer posts.
2. The NRA recommends it (because of the name).
AND THE NUMBER ONE REASON TO CHOOSE CANON 10D:
1. My handle has the word "IDIOT" in it.
Now please don't take it personally, buy your 10D and have a lot of fun. I have seen some great pictures from it.
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http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
The kind of owner of SD9.
It shows.
I was going to buy an SD9 to test it out. I changed my mind.
It shows.
I was going to buy an SD9 to test it out. I changed my mind.
I was teasing too guys.
But seriously, I thought the fence and the foliage in the comparison clearly gives the 10D's picture a better one overall.
Now a serious question. And I might be a convert too.
If you up sample an SD9 image to 6MP and 12MP, you say the image is better than S2 and D10 ?
But seriously, I thought the fence and the foliage in the comparison clearly gives the 10D's picture a better one overall.
Now a serious question. And I might be a convert too.
If you up sample an SD9 image to 6MP and 12MP, you say the image is better than S2 and D10 ?
rick decker
Forum Pro
Well Henry, if I have caused you to change your mind, so be it. Just don't blame me if you regret it.
This was posted tongue-in-cheek and I said so at the end. If you have no sense of humor that's your problem. If someone posted that to me I would laugh and take it with a grain of salt. Maybe even recognize their creativity!!
.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........
http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
This was posted tongue-in-cheek and I said so at the end. If you have no sense of humor that's your problem. If someone posted that to me I would laugh and take it with a grain of salt. Maybe even recognize their creativity!!
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.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........
http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
rick decker
Forum Pro
My second oops today...first was at 6:15...I took you seriously..in fact I was about to add the 11th reason "Rick's Post". Please ignore my previous post if it is irreleveant disirregardless and nevertheless.
.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........
http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
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.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........
http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
Laurence Matson
Forum Pro
Henry,
As you know, it is almost impossible to compare images in this way over the Internet. What I think is better is worse to the next person.
My suggestion is the same as always, and it is what I did before I got my SD9.
Download one or two of the full-size images from the Users' Gallery after asking for permission. Print those out in your normal way and look at the results. Try to get a couple from any other cameras you are interested in. Make sure the images speak to your taste.
Having done that, you can make a sound judgement.
Obviously, the people in this forum are going to be biased toward the SD9. You will not get the best image about other cameras here. But having done that test, you can then come back with your specific questions.
As for myself, I had to do that once, and I was sure that I wanted this camera.
If you are just going to use it for the web, do the same test.
Laurence
http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/sd9_images
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
As you know, it is almost impossible to compare images in this way over the Internet. What I think is better is worse to the next person.
My suggestion is the same as always, and it is what I did before I got my SD9.
Download one or two of the full-size images from the Users' Gallery after asking for permission. Print those out in your normal way and look at the results. Try to get a couple from any other cameras you are interested in. Make sure the images speak to your taste.
Having done that, you can make a sound judgement.
Obviously, the people in this forum are going to be biased toward the SD9. You will not get the best image about other cameras here. But having done that test, you can then come back with your specific questions.
As for myself, I had to do that once, and I was sure that I wanted this camera.
If you are just going to use it for the web, do the same test.
Laurence
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http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/sd9_images
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
Joseph S Wisniewski
Forum Pro
Hey. The only person I know like that is Brenden, a.k.a. "group idiot". He's not a bad sort, aside from giving up Nikon for Canon, and drooling all over the pictures of the new Leica back...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/postersprofile.asp?poster=hjivigilhlig
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Ciao!
Joe
Stephen Waits
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rick decker
Forum Pro
Joe: I was just teasing him..didn't know he had changed his name. Some just don't like my sense of humor. I don't have anything against him and if I offended him....well that's just the way the pixels plummet or whatever they do!!.
.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........
http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
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.......Feel The Power.........Sigma.....SD9..........
http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
Stephen Waits
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