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New National Forest Service (USA) Rules?
- Thread starter dmanthree
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KENTGA
Veteran Member
This is outrageous. Let's start a petition.
Kent
Kent
David Nall
Forum Pro
What possible harm can there be from filming nature's wonders? Bring on the petition and post a link here.
2esetters
Senior Member
Did I read this correctly? The regulation applies only to journalists (i.e. professional photographers) and not to tourists?
Even if so, it is still outrageous. The petition is the right thing. Let's get one started; who has some legal knowledge so that we do it right?
HGreblo
dmanthree
Forum Pro
That's correct, it applies only to Journalists. But it's still an erosion of our first amendment rights and presents a very dangerous slippery slope for all of us. The intent of the original law was to prevent commercial shoots that exist only for profit, such as a movie production of ad campaign. I understand that. But journalists? If aliens landed and someone shot it they're automatically a journalist, aren't they? And who pays for these parks?
I think a petition is warranted if not for the journalists, but for all of us.
David Nall
Forum Pro
A recent Geico commercial comes to mind where the Geico Gecko ad was shot at Many Glacier inside Glacier National Park. I haven't seen it since jI saw it a few weeks ago. I don't really see any problem with that either. Dave
tarakanchik
Senior Member
First off I'm not a big fan of regulation and without looking into this proposed legislation, it at first appears to be more than it is. I've had to get permits from local & state parks departments for many years to not only shoot weddings but also to shoot models. The reasons cited were that " pro shoots are done for commercial reasons, they often involve equipment and people who often try to close off areas from the public in order that the public does not interfere with the shoot". Permits are issued on a case by case basis and are done so to give the general public unrestrictive access and the ability to view the parks without interference.
In my case I was told to do my shoot either very early or very late in the day, limit equipment and not to interfere with the general public access. I had no problem with that. I would have a problem, however, if I planned a trip to a National Park and found an area off limits because someone was shooting a commercial. I think it's those that they want o keep in check and to that extent I have no issue.
I also think that before everybody gets up in arms to contact the Park Service and or Senators & Congressmen to define this proposed legislation.
In my case I was told to do my shoot either very early or very late in the day, limit equipment and not to interfere with the general public access. I had no problem with that. I would have a problem, however, if I planned a trip to a National Park and found an area off limits because someone was shooting a commercial. I think it's those that they want o keep in check and to that extent I have no issue.
I also think that before everybody gets up in arms to contact the Park Service and or Senators & Congressmen to define this proposed legislation.
dmanthree
Forum Pro
hotdog321
Forum Pro
I believe the Nat. Forest Service quickly backed off from this stance once the lynch mobs started warming up the torches. There were a whole bunch of serious lawsuits about to be fired off.
I do see the necessity of requiring permits of big-time film crews shooting a movie and turning an area of forest into a three-ring circus. But NOT television video or still news photographers working a story since there is usually only a couple of people doing a standup.
I do see the necessity of requiring permits of big-time film crews shooting a movie and turning an area of forest into a three-ring circus. But NOT television video or still news photographers working a story since there is usually only a couple of people doing a standup.
KENTGA
Veteran Member
I fully concur with his response and hope that the Forest Service has backed off. Anyway, if you are out making photos, how do you or the Forest Service prove that you are or are not a "pro"?
I do think that the people who have photo workshops in some of the NP's do have to get some type of permit. A guy that I've been on workshops with wrote an article that, after a workshop, he and a couple of others when on an "informal" shoot at Zion and the Ranger really gave him a hassle about an "expired" permit. I'm not sure about the other US NP's and permitting.
By the way, the Forest Service is a seperate entity and I'm not sure if there is any overlap with the NP Service. Seems like I remember the Forest Service areas do not honor the Golden Age cards issued by the National Park Service.
Kent
I do think that the people who have photo workshops in some of the NP's do have to get some type of permit. A guy that I've been on workshops with wrote an article that, after a workshop, he and a couple of others when on an "informal" shoot at Zion and the Ranger really gave him a hassle about an "expired" permit. I'm not sure about the other US NP's and permitting.
By the way, the Forest Service is a seperate entity and I'm not sure if there is any overlap with the NP Service. Seems like I remember the Forest Service areas do not honor the Golden Age cards issued by the National Park Service.
Kent
dmanthree
Forum Pro
Translation: we got our asses kicked so we changed our mind.
Not really. From some of the really dumb and uninformed postings here and on Open Talk, it’s clear that no one read (i.e., the USFS documents or about what a Wilderness area is) past the hysterical articles written by city boys. Yeah, Esquire is where I get all my news about hiking and backpacking…The USFS had to post a reply to wake people out of their messaging stupor.
A couple good places to start learning:
As far as Wilderness areas go (a small subset of NPS, NF&WS, BLM and USFS lands) most people have never been in one except for those sharing certain NPS land.
A couple good places to start learning:
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As far as Wilderness areas go (a small subset of NPS, NF&WS, BLM and USFS lands) most people have never been in one except for those sharing certain NPS land.
67GP
Well-known member
I don't think this is a good idea at all but most of you are confusing designated Wilderness areas with National Parks and US Forest Service lands. You are not even permitted to ride a Mountain Bike in Wilderness areas. No roads no vehicles etc.--Dave
Ken Gosden
Senior Member
There is no overlap. I believe that the NPS already has similar rules in place. From what I have read this applies to wilderness areas. They are a very different animal under current regulations. Wilderness areas are supposed to be roadless and no use of mechanical transportation, including bicycles, is allowed; just horses and hikers. Not sure how a TV news crew would get very far in since they usually drag their gear in vans.
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