No ETC, only digital zoom. As others have mentioned here ETC goes up to 2x whereas digital zoom is 4x. Personally I think that cropping the RAW photo produced better quality than the 4x digital zoom. ETC *might* produce a bit better quality but requires 2 steps (change file size, activate ETC) instead of 1 step of digital zoom (activate 2x or 4x)
ETC can be operated with a single step as follows (on the G6, GM1 & probably several other panasonic cameras)

Initial (one off) setup: Turn ETC on & assign image size to a Fn button.

To use ETC all you need to do is press the Fn button & as the image size changes the ETC will automatically zoom - so L (large) is no ETC, M (medium) is x1.4 ETC & S (small) is x2 ETC.

Works a treat !

On the G6 you can also assign the ETC to the zoom lever & then in custom settings set the Zoom function to zoom (default is auto which will be Exposure unless you attach a lens with electronic zoom). The problem with this approach is you need to leave the image size on the smallest setting - so all your pics will be smaller, but the upside is the zoom lever makes it feel like your prime lenses are zooms (as the zoom is linear - unlike the above approach described which increases the zoom in 2 steps.

There seems to be a fair amount of debate as to whether digital zoom is better than ETC.

I expect RAW will always be better than either digital or ETC, but obviously requires the most effort.

The problem I have with using digital zoom is I won't be able to stop myself pixel peeping & obviously I'm going to be disappointed !

For me ETC is a good compromise - it means I can get that further reach, whilst still being able to frame to taste & still get good results. Also you still get full AF & exposure functions in ETC - so you should stand a better chance of getting the right focus & exposure using ETC over cropping a full size image in PP. I don't know if AF & exposure work in digital zoom.

Some have commented how the jpeg artifacts are more apparent when using ETC - so maybe it's better to turn NR down & use highest quality jpg setting - that should combat it, but you'll probably also get more noise in your images.
Very nicely explained. Couldn't be more plain. The linear zoom when the zoom is assigned to the top lever and ETC active is a new one for me. This camera is a continual learning experience.

I wonder what happens when it is set as above and both digital and tele convertor zooms are active?
 
It's got a longer & faster lens.
 
anyone else experience with the digital zoom on the G6 ?
Digital zooms are mostly the same all over: They simply crop the full optical image, hence reducing the final resolution just as you would see when cropping on your PC. The only "magic" the G3 adds - and I expect the G6 to do the same - is that if you're not already using the full resolution of your sensor (say choosing 4:3M instead of full 4:3G), the camera will automatically use the higher resolution before zooming so that the final resolution of the cropped image will be the same as your chosen resolution (4:3M in this example).
 
Hi Adam,

My guess why they didn't make a G7 is that the G6 (and the G5 before it), has gone unrecognised and is stuck at a low price, is not selling volumes and therefore not generating sales, so there's no return on investment to make a G7. In their m4/3 range, they aren't selling
They need to understand that they just cannot sell another m4/3 camera in this day and age that still has an "old" sensor. This is the only cam on the market that still has the old sensor and how can you convince people to buy it in volume? The IQ improvement that comes with the new sensor is very real and EM10 is an excellent camera, which most will prefer over the G6.
 
It's got a longer & faster lens.

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Joking aside - it is a serious contender (if not better in some respects) & maybe that is why Panasonic pulled the G6 with 14-140 kit from the UK in May - so as not to compete with the FZ1000.

I've had a look at reviews & tests of the FZ1000 & it is very impressive - resolution, DR, & low light performance are all really good.

However- it's actually quite a big heavy camera - in fact as big/heavy as many DSLR's, and should you want to put a nice fast prime on it - well you can't.

Also if you have some existing M43 lenses and/or more than 1 M43 camera, then the FZ1000 isn't going to expand that setup is it.

So it's horses for courses. If you don't mind the bigger camera & don't have a set of M43 lenses you want to keep, then the FZ1000 is worth serious consideration (it's a shame it doesn't have a touch screen though).

I still think an M43 camera with some nice primes will produce better shots than an all in one. The smaller sensor on the FZ1000 will also reduce the effect of that nice bright lens, and no matter how good it is - it's not a MILC.

In terms of getting the longest reach telephoto with best image quality - the FX1000 will probably beat the G6 with 14-140 (& likely many other cameras/lenses too), so if that's what you're after then there's you're answer - but for many, including me; it's 1 of many types of pictures I like to take & the M43 system suits me best.

A couple of generations from now I expect the FZ1200 or whatever it's called, will be smaller, lighter & even better (with hopefully f1.8 at the wide end) - and maybe I will consider it again then.
 
Hi Adam,

My guess why they didn't make a G7 is that the G6 (and the G5 before it), has gone unrecognised and is stuck at a low price, is not selling volumes and therefore not generating sales, so there's no return on investment to make a G7. In their m4/3 range, they aren't selling
They need to understand that they just cannot sell another m4/3 camera in this day and age that still has an "old" sensor. This is the only cam on the market that still has the old sensor and how can you convince people to buy it in volume? The IQ improvement that comes with the new sensor is very real and EM10 is an excellent camera, which most will prefer over the G6.
What am I missing? I don't see the internet busting with e-m10 pictures better than I achieve with my g6. Nice camera the e-m10 but at the moment I still prefer g6.
 
Hi Adam,

My guess why they didn't make a G7 is that the G6 (and the G5 before it), has gone unrecognised and is stuck at a low price, is not selling volumes and therefore not generating sales, so there's no return on investment to make a G7. In their m4/3 range, they aren't selling
They need to understand that they just cannot sell another m4/3 camera in this day and age that still has an "old" sensor.
Read Thom Hogan ... the 12mp sensors are considered "old" ... but the 16mp sensors are not far apart at all in image quality.
This is the only cam on the market that still has the old sensor and how can you convince people to buy it in volume? The IQ improvement that comes with the new sensor is very real
The GH2-derived sensors have improved over the GH2 itself, but they still give up some shadow performance, no question. But the performance is otherwise excellent. And the video is better than an unhacked GH2 with full manual control.

I have no problem owning this camera, and the better sensor in my GM1 does not always beat the G6 ... it really depends on the lighting. The G6 stomps almost everything else out there with the bigger lenses on (GH series and EM1 excepted.)

All that said ... I would like to see a G7 with the GX7 sensor and DFD. And IBIS would be a nice bonus. But I'm not unhappy with the G6 at all ...
and EM10 is an excellent camera, which most will prefer over the G6.
It is ... but it is no G6 with the big lenses on. I am considering it to replace my EPM2 for primes.

Ya gotta fight the war ... not just a cherry-picked battle here and there. The G6 is a great all rounder ... despite the ancient :-) sensor ...
 
Hi Yannis.. i would definately not change the G6 for a GX7.. there is something quite lovely about picking up & using the G6.. and it does everything i ask of it & more.. I think Panny have designed the near perfect mini DSLR style camera.. one other thing i forgot is the electronic shutter.. i have it permanently on in both cameras to avoid vibrations. I got my GX7 in near mint condition from 'FFORDES' at a great price.. they are very different cameras and shooting with a rangefinder style has to be experienced to see if it suits you as a person.. it produces results of a very high order.. no wonder they are using the same sensor in the new LX100. I hope this answers your enquiry.. if not please let me know & i will check back in this forum tomorrow.. all best.
 
Hi Adam,

My guess why they didn't make a G7 is that the G6 (and the G5 before it), has gone unrecognised and is stuck at a low price, is not selling volumes and therefore not generating sales, so there's no return on investment to make a G7. In their m4/3 range, they aren't selling
They need to understand that they just cannot sell another m4/3 camera in this day and age that still has an "old" sensor. This is the only cam on the market that still has the old sensor and how can you convince people to buy it in volume? The IQ improvement that comes with the new sensor is very real and EM10 is an excellent camera, which most will prefer over the G6.
What am I missing? I don't see the internet busting with e-m10 pictures better than I achieve with my g6. Nice camera the e-m10 but at the moment I still prefer g6.
You are missing nothing ... the EM10 is a nice cam, but it is no G6 with the big lenses on ...

And the implication that no one should buy a camera with that sensor in it is fatuous. Even the 12mp sensor (which really is "old" :-) ) can make great images ... my GF3 still does. It all depends on the light ...
 
Thanks, bunker, for very nice explanation ... looking forward to trying it ... once I get my G6 (more and more decided ... getting there inch by inch, as they say in the metric world ...)

Cheers
 
Ya gotta fight the war ... not just a cherry-picked battle here and there. The G6 is a great all rounder ... despite the ancient :-) sensor ...
But G6 is not selling ...
 
Ya gotta fight the war ... not just a cherry-picked battle here and there. The G6 is a great all rounder ... despite the ancient :-) sensor ...
But G6 is not selling ...
Do you have any sources to cite? Any sales figures?

The G6 is selling for about $ 750 with the kit lens at B&H with similar prices at Adorama and Amazon. If it isn't selling, Panasonic and the retailers seem in no hurry to get rid of the unsold G6s.
 
Got mine for $669 with two lenses at Christmas. Glad I did. The 45-150 is quite a nice surprise.

What difference does it make to a potential buyer whether or not the camera is selling in large numbers? A good body that's easy to use. I love the rocker switch for EV adjustment.
 
Ya gotta fight the war ... not just a cherry-picked battle here and there. The G6 is a great all rounder ... despite the ancient :-) sensor ...
But G6 is not selling ...
The performance of all of m4/3 is bad. The G6 is not popular on this forum ... let's not pretend that this is a direct measure of what sells and what does not.
 
Got mine for $669 with two lenses at Christmas. Glad I did. The 45-150 is quite a nice surprise.
Got my kit for $619cad earlier this year and sold the kit lens and a bundled full copy of Lightroom to lower the body price to less than any used copy I've seen.

Needless to say, I am thrilled. That was a momentary discount, and the kit is back up to near 700.
What difference does it make to a potential buyer whether or not the camera is selling in large numbers? A good body that's easy to use. I love the rocker switch for EV adjustment.
Yes ... those who buy what is popular are more collectors than photographers :-)
 
Ya gotta fight the war ... not just a cherry-picked battle here and there. The G6 is a great all rounder ... despite the ancient :-) sensor ...
But G6 is not selling ...
Do you have any sources to cite? Any sales figures?
Best selling G6 configuration in Japan is currently 99th.


G6 is currently 98th best selling CSC on AmazonUS.

The G6 is selling for about $ 750 with the kit lens at B&H with similar prices at Adorama and Amazon. If it isn't selling, Panasonic and the retailers seem in no hurry to get rid of the unsold G6s.

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Current price could mean that Panasonic production has been low for some time and/or they believe that this model is relatively price inelastic.
 
Ya gotta fight the war ... not just a cherry-picked battle here and there. The G6 is a great all rounder ... despite the ancient :-) sensor ...
But G6 is not selling ...
Do you have any sources to cite? Any sales figures?
Best selling G6 configuration in Japan is currently 99th.

http://bcnranking.jp/item/0008/4902704801555.html

G6 is currently 98th best selling CSC on AmazonUS.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/3109924011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_e_1_4_last#5
The G6 is selling for about $ 750 with the kit lens at B&H with similar prices at Adorama and Amazon. If it isn't selling, Panasonic and the retailers seem in no hurry to get rid of the unsold G6s.

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Current price could mean that Panasonic production has been low for some time and/or they believe that this model is relatively price inelastic.
I see the G6 on the Japanese page.

The Amazon ranking seems to change in the course of hours. One thing of note: cameras priced well below $ 1000 dominate the list.

The price of a new G6 in the USA is now $ 200 higher than it was a few months ago. That makes the G6 seem like less of a bargain.

I bought a used G6 from B&H for $ 420 in early March 2014. Two months later, I bought another used G6 for $ 530. B&H has a used G6 for sale for $ 635 right now. The new price has been ~ $ 100 above the used price at each of those times.

My guess is that Panasonic has changed their marketing strategy in the USA. Fewer events with sale prices and those events are restricted to selected products. They may get fewer sales but those sales will be profitable.

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I ordered my G6 the other day. Dithered for too long and missed the free 2nd lens deal last month and then one from the Panasonic Outlet on Ebay for £369. Got mine from Amazon Warehouse UK 'used' (but more likely a 'changed my mind' return), for £353. No warranty but if that's important to you Panasonic are currently running a '5 year' promotion. To me £353 was a good price and I won't feel bad if I change it later. This is my first decent camera, that I have been inspired to buy after reading the excellent review on Cameralabs. Up against a D3300, GX7, Canon 600/60D. The Panasonic just seems to have everything. Good luck with your decision!
 
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Price in Europe has just gone up from 750 to 780€ on Amazon for the kit with the 14-140 lens ... now coming down around a euro a day ... to what level ? !!!!
 

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