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Does the flash of the G7X tilt backwards in order to bounce it?

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Like the Sony RX100s, the Panasonic GM1?
 
2eyesee said:
photo perzon said:
Like the Sony RX100s, the Panasonic GM1?
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Unfortunately no, according to the DPR first impressions review (it's there in the Body and Design section).
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Yes, that would have been really nice since it can save a shot in many indoor situations. I can't believe Canon would not have thought about making it bouncable. Can't have been too hard to make it bouncable. Plenty of examples available. Makes you wonder why they didn't do it. Just another case of "we'll do that in the next model, but then we'll leave something else out"?
 
G-D said:
2eyesee said:
photo perzon said:
Like the Sony RX100s, the Panasonic GM1?
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Unfortunately no, according to the DPR first impressions review (it's there in the Body and Design section).
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Yes, that would have been really nice since it can save a shot in many indoor situations. I can't believe Canon would not have thought about making it bouncable. Can't have been too hard to make it bouncable. Plenty of examples available. Makes you wonder why they didn't do it. Just another case of "we'll do that in the next model, but then we'll leave something else out"?
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I sure LOOKS like it's meant to pivot. If not, expect it on the next model ... probably in 2016.

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damian5000 said:
It really does look like it's meant to pivot. I wonder (hoping) this is some oversight on the part of dpreview..?
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Well, it has been the case in the past where some common-place features were not listed in the specifications. It could well be an oversight. Guess we'll see.
 
Imaging resource dot com don't mention anything about the bouncability, but they do say the flash in the G7X has "a rather lengthy recycle time of ten (10) seconds". Say what? Just for fun, look at your watch and count ten seconds. Then take your next picture. Oops, where did that photo-opportunity go...

Come on, Canon.
 
G-D said:
2eyesee said:
photo perzon said:
Like the Sony RX100s, the Panasonic GM1?
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Unfortunately no, according to the DPR first impressions review (it's there in the Body and Design section).
Click to expand...
Yes, that would have been really nice since it can save a shot in many indoor situations. I can't believe Canon would not have thought about making it bouncable. Can't have been too hard to make it bouncable. Plenty of examples available. Makes you wonder why they didn't do it. Just another case of "we'll do that in the next model, but then we'll leave something else out"?
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Oh Canon is certainly aware of it and have thought of it. I can tell you for sure that the built in flash on the G1X-II will bend back for bounce. So, after the noise is all over with, we may find that the G7X does also. It surely looks like it would and looks very similar to the one on my G1X-II.
 
G-D said:
Imaging resource dot com don't mention anything about the bouncability, but they do say the flash in the G7X has "a rather lengthy recycle time of ten (10) seconds". Say what? Just for fun, look at your watch and count ten seconds. Then take your next picture. Oops, where did that photo-opportunity go...

Come on, Canon.
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I was told there is an easy hack to make the flash tiltable.

and firmware to shorten the recycle time.

Lena
 
Len_Gee said:
G-D said:
Imaging resource dot com don't mention anything about the bouncability, but they do say the flash in the G7X has "a rather lengthy recycle time of ten (10) seconds". Say what? Just for fun, look at your watch and count ten seconds. Then take your next picture. Oops, where did that photo-opportunity go...

Come on, Canon.
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I was told there is an easy hack to make the flash tiltable.

and firmware to shorten the recycle time.

Lena
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OK. Couple questions: who told you that, what's the hack, and does that mean the cams with 10-sec recycle time were preproduction models and/or will there be a new firmware available shortly already?
 
Have any of these small built in flashes actually got enough power to make bouncing them practical?

I don't know what the GN is since I haven't seen it stated anywhere (probably not looking hard enough) but generally these small units have a maximum range of 5-7m (with direct flash). Now subtract at least 2 stops for light losses (assuming the ceiling is actually white) and extra distance travelled by the light in bouncing and it doesn't sound like a recipe that is likely to be particularly useful.

But no doubt someone will put me right on this.
 
Marco Nero said:
damian5000 said:
It really does look like it's meant to pivot. I wonder (hoping) this is some oversight on the part of dpreview..?
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Well, it has been the case in the past where some common-place features were not listed in the specifications. It could well be an oversight. Guess we'll see.

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Regards,
Marco Nero.
www.pbase.com/nero_design
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It's no oversight. It didn't pivot at Canon's booth when I was at Photokina yesterday.
 
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meland said:
Have any of these small built in flashes actually got enough power to make bouncing them practical?

I don't know what the GN is since I haven't seen it stated anywhere (probably not looking hard enough) but generally these small units have a maximum range of 5-7m (with direct flash). Now subtract at least 2 stops for light losses (assuming the ceiling is actually white) and extra distance travelled by the light in bouncing and it doesn't sound like a recipe that is likely to be particularly useful.

But no doubt someone will put me right on this.
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When you're in a cathedral it's not gonna work, but when in a normal living room, of which the majority have white/beige ceilings, it will do a very good job. Even with a weaker flash it disperses the light evenly avoiding the harshly lighted areas contrasted with dark shadow areas that you usually get with direct flashes. Really nice.
 
G-D said:
meland said:
Have any of these small built in flashes actually got enough power to make bouncing them practical?

I don't know what the GN is since I haven't seen it stated anywhere (probably not looking hard enough) but generally these small units have a maximum range of 5-7m (with direct flash). Now subtract at least 2 stops for light losses (assuming the ceiling is actually white) and extra distance travelled by the light in bouncing and it doesn't sound like a recipe that is likely to be particularly useful.

But no doubt someone will put me right on this.
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When you're in a cathedral it's not gonna work, but when in a normal living room, of which the majority have white/beige ceilings, it will do a very good job. Even with a weaker flash it disperses the light evenly avoiding the harshly lighted areas contrasted with dark shadow areas that you usually get with direct flashes. Really nice.
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I totally understand the principle and indeed have used it successfully with many hammerhead units - I'm simply questioning the practicality with some of these tiny built in units.
 
meland said:
G-D said:
meland said:
Have any of these small built in flashes actually got enough power to make bouncing them practical?

I don't know what the GN is since I haven't seen it stated anywhere (probably not looking hard enough) but generally these small units have a maximum range of 5-7m (with direct flash). Now subtract at least 2 stops for light losses (assuming the ceiling is actually white) and extra distance travelled by the light in bouncing and it doesn't sound like a recipe that is likely to be particularly useful.

But no doubt someone will put me right on this.
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When you're in a cathedral it's not gonna work, but when in a normal living room, of which the majority have white/beige ceilings, it will do a very good job. Even with a weaker flash it disperses the light evenly avoiding the harshly lighted areas contrasted with dark shadow areas that you usually get with direct flashes. Really nice.
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I totally understand the principle and indeed have used it successfully with many hammerhead units - I'm simply questioning the practicality with some of these tiny built in units.
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Which is why I said "even with a weaker flash" but you probably missed that.
 
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