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Did a photo shoot for my collueges at work today for a promo. I used a good tripod - shot at F11, iso800 and shutter was around 1/70th to 1/90th. I used the 18-55 lens. Fotos look really good until i crop to 100% where they seem really noisy. I thought this camera would be bettrr at 800 iso and in hindsight its my fault for not paying attention to iso setting. I am just a hobbyist so no harm done and people were happy with the fotos but i am quite disappointed. I also shot some selfies with the same group with my sony rx100m3 handheld in front of us and they foto's turned out awesome.

Sorry i cant post pics here cause they are my coworkers but i would be willing to maybe email a couple to someone if they need to see.

Any help would great appreciated
 
What were the settings on your sony? Settings matter. They are the difference in a good photo or a bad one.
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Picsmcgee said:
MrChristopher said:
What were the settings on your sony? Settings matter. They are the difference in a good photo or a bad one.
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iso400, f5, 1/125th but didnt take full group shots - only selfies with 2-4 people
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My mistake because i shouldnt have mentioned the sony because it was a totally separate thing - no tripod - less people - more a point and shoot shots. I am not really interested in comparing the 2 cameras - more looking for help how i could have avoided the noise - maybe 800 was just too high - which still would surprise me for sure. It was my mistake for not dropping the iso down especially when i was on a sturdy tripod
 
Without the photo it's all painful speculation. Go take another one of people who would not mind if you posted it. And you're correct, the Sony shot is irrelevant.
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iso seems ok in relation to the shutter speed.

did you shoot raw or jpeg?

also did you turn off the IS on the lens using the tripod?

Most people don't view a photo at 100% crop so if it looks good at the normal viewing size then you should be happy. Also i find sometimes noise can show more detail and make the image look sharper.
 
OnCam said:
iso seems ok in relation to the shutter speed.

did you shoot raw or jpeg?

also did you turn off the IS on the lens using the tripod?

Most people don't view a photo at 100% crop so if it looks good at the normal viewing size then you should be happy. Also i find sometimes noise can show more detail and make the image look sharper.

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I shot JPEG and unfortunately made the mistake of not turning off IS either. Again if someone really thinks they can help if they see the foto - i could likely email it. Just dont feel comfortable posting it here.
 
Picsmcgee said:
OnCam said:
iso seems ok in relation to the shutter speed.

did you shoot raw or jpeg?

also did you turn off the IS on the lens using the tripod?

Most people don't view a photo at 100% crop so if it looks good at the normal viewing size then you should be happy. Also i find sometimes noise can show more detail and make the image look sharper.

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I shot JPEG and unfortunately made the mistake of not turning off IS either. Again if someone really thinks they can help if they see the foto - i could likely email it. Just dont feel comfortable posting it here.
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Popphoto rated the iso at MODERATE at 800 iso and unacceptable at 1600 so maybe 800 was too high
 
Picsmcgee said:
Did a photo shoot for my collueges at work today for a promo. I used a good tripod - shot at F11, iso800 and shutter was around 1/70th to 1/90th. I used the 18-55 lens. Fotos look really good until i crop to 100% where they seem really noisy. I thought this camera would be bettrr at 800 iso and in hindsight its my fault for not paying attention to iso setting. I am just a hobbyist so no harm done and people were happy with the fotos but i am quite disappointed. I also shot some selfies with the same group with my sony rx100m3 handheld in front of us and they foto's turned out awesome.

Sorry i cant post pics here cause they are my coworkers but i would be willing to maybe email a couple to someone if they need to see.

Any help would great appreciated
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On occasion you need to use artificial lighting to enhance the shot. Lighting with White Balance could be a factor. Film simulation mode can be a factor.

I would first understand what the natural lighting is and if it was correct to use it. I have turned off and unscrewed lightbulbs if needed to make decisions.

A camera and lens no matter how good there are is just part of it. You have to understand how to light or it is possible the exposure will be bad no matter what you do in camera.

Oh, and by artificial light I mean you may need strobes with light stands to balance what ever the scene may be. You light larger groups differently that just one subject etc..
 
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ryan2007 said:
Picsmcgee said:
Did a photo shoot for my collueges at work today for a promo. I used a good tripod - shot at F11, iso800 and shutter was around 1/70th to 1/90th. I used the 18-55 lens. Fotos look really good until i crop to 100% where they seem really noisy. I thought this camera would be bettrr at 800 iso and in hindsight its my fault for not paying attention to iso setting. I am just a hobbyist so no harm done and people were happy with the fotos but i am quite disappointed. I also shot some selfies with the same group with my sony rx100m3 handheld in front of us and they foto's turned out awesome.

Sorry i cant post pics here cause they are my coworkers but i would be willing to maybe email a couple to someone if they need to see.

Any help would great appreciated
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On occasion you need to use artificial lighting to enhance the shot. Lighting with White Balance could be a factor. Film simulation mode can be a factor.

I would first understand what the natural lighting is and if it was correct to use it. I have turned off and unscrewed lightbulbs if needed to make decisions.

A camera and lens no matter how good there are is just part of it. You have to understand how to light or it is possible the exposure will be bad no matter what you do in camera.

Oh, and by artificial light I mean you may need strobes with light stands to balance what ever the scene may be. You light larger groups differently that just one subject etc..
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I understand what u are saying about the lighting - makes alot of sense. Would white balance and/or film simulation mode really make the foto NOISEY ????
 
ryan2007 said:
Picsmcgee said:
Did a photo shoot for my collueges at work today for a promo. I used a good tripod - shot at F11, iso800 and shutter was around 1/70th to 1/90th. I used the 18-55 lens. Fotos look really good until i crop to 100% where they seem really noisy. I thought this camera would be bettrr at 800 iso and in hindsight its my fault for not paying attention to iso setting. I am just a hobbyist so no harm done and people were happy with the fotos but i am quite disappointed. I also shot some selfies with the same group with my sony rx100m3 handheld in front of us and they foto's turned out awesome.

Sorry i cant post pics here cause they are my coworkers but i would be willing to maybe email a couple to someone if they need to see.

Any help would great appreciated
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On occasion you need to use artificial lighting to enhance the shot. Lighting with White Balance could be a factor. Film simulation mode can be a factor.

I would first understand what the natural lighting is and if it was correct to use it. I have turned off and unscrewed lightbulbs if needed to make decisions.

A camera and lens no matter how good there are is just part of it. You have to understand how to light or it is possible the exposure will be bad no matter what you do in camera.

Oh, and by artificial light I mean you may need strobes with light stands to balance what ever the scene may be. You light larger groups differently that just one subject etc..
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I verify that my film simulation mode was set to STD
 
ryan2007 said:
Picsmcgee said:
Did a photo shoot for my collueges at work today for a promo. I used a good tripod - shot at F11, iso800 and shutter was around 1/70th to 1/90th. I used the 18-55 lens. Fotos look really good until i crop to 100% where they seem really noisy. I thought this camera would be bettrr at 800 iso and in hindsight its my fault for not paying attention to iso setting. I am just a hobbyist so no harm done and people were happy with the fotos but i am quite disappointed. I also shot some selfies with the same group with my sony rx100m3 handheld in front of us and they foto's turned out awesome.

Sorry i cant post pics here cause they are my coworkers but i would be willing to maybe email a couple to someone if they need to see.

Any help would great appreciated
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On occasion you need to use artificial lighting to enhance the shot. Lighting with White Balance could be a factor. Film simulation mode can be a factor.

I would first understand what the natural lighting is and if it was correct to use it. I have turned off and unscrewed lightbulbs if needed to make decisions.

A camera and lens no matter how good there are is just part of it. You have to understand how to light or it is possible the exposure will be bad no matter what you do in camera.

Oh, and by artificial light I mean you may need strobes with light stands to balance what ever the scene may be. You light larger groups differently that just one subject etc..
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And my camera was set to auto white balance.
 
The best bet is not to crop to 100%

Did you have to make any ajustments in PP, e.g. to correct exposure or highlights?
 
You make no mention of the lighting conditions. Was it lit from the front or back lit? Sun or shade etc.

My photo was lit with a bounce flash from a wall behind me. Some PP in LR was used.



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I never shoot JPEG because I could never figure out the settings in my XE-2. I shoot only RAW and do PP using SilkyPics and ACDSEE. Before when I was "lazy" and only shooting JPEGs, I'd get a lot of dud pics and because I shot JPEGs trying to revive the pics in PP was basically futile. Get yourself a fast computer and learn how to PP. For me this saved my bacon.
 
KennyXYZ said:
I never shoot JPEG because I could never figure out the settings in my XE-2. I shoot only RAW and do PP using SilkyPics and ACDSEE. Before when I was "lazy" and only shooting JPEGs, I'd get a lot of dud pics and because I shot JPEGs trying to revive the pics in PP was basically futile. Get yourself a fast computer and learn how to PP. For me this saved my bacon.
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I guess you must be converting from RAWs using Silkypics, then using ACDSee for JPG adjustment, since it doesn't recognise RAWs ... which is a real pity.

In fact if you get the JPG settings approximately right in camera (Iuse X-E2 as well), then adjustment in ACDSee is very quick and easy and loses very little.

As an example all these were taken in JPG & adjusted in ACDSee: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54175022

Admittedly very easy lighting ...

For low light trickier lighting higher ISO I'll tend to use RAW

I use ACDSee all the time - excellent programme & controls. New release v 8 out soon.
 
Picsmcgee said:
ryan2007 said:
Picsmcgee said:
Did a photo shoot for my collueges at work today for a promo. I used a good tripod - shot at F11, iso800 and shutter was around 1/70th to 1/90th. I used the 18-55 lens. Fotos look really good until i crop to 100% where they seem really noisy. I thought this camera would be bettrr at 800 iso and in hindsight its my fault for not paying attention to iso setting. I am just a hobbyist so no harm done and people were happy with the fotos but i am quite disappointed. I also shot some selfies with the same group with my sony rx100m3 handheld in front of us and they foto's turned out awesome.

Sorry i cant post pics here cause they are my coworkers but i would be willing to maybe email a couple to someone if they need to see.

Any help would great appreciated
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On occasion you need to use artificial lighting to enhance the shot. Lighting with White Balance could be a factor. Film simulation mode can be a factor.

I would first understand what the natural lighting is and if it was correct to use it. I have turned off and unscrewed lightbulbs if needed to make decisions.

A camera and lens no matter how good there are is just part of it. You have to understand how to light or it is possible the exposure will be bad no matter what you do in camera.

Oh, and by artificial light I mean you may need strobes with light stands to balance what ever the scene may be. You light larger groups differently that just one subject etc..
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I verify that my film simulation mode was set to STD
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Ok, yeah, if you use Velvia film simulation mode that is typically a very saturated look it maybe can make skin tones not look natural as an example. So you seem to be ok with the STD film mode.
 
Picsmcgee said:
ryan2007 said:
Picsmcgee said:
Did a photo shoot for my collueges at work today for a promo. I used a good tripod - shot at F11, iso800 and shutter was around 1/70th to 1/90th. I used the 18-55 lens. Fotos look really good until i crop to 100% where they seem really noisy. I thought this camera would be bettrr at 800 iso and in hindsight its my fault for not paying attention to iso setting. I am just a hobbyist so no harm done and people were happy with the fotos but i am quite disappointed. I also shot some selfies with the same group with my sony rx100m3 handheld in front of us and they foto's turned out awesome.

Sorry i cant post pics here cause they are my coworkers but i would be willing to maybe email a couple to someone if they need to see.

Any help would great appreciated
Click to expand...
On occasion you need to use artificial lighting to enhance the shot. Lighting with White Balance could be a factor. Film simulation mode can be a factor.

I would first understand what the natural lighting is and if it was correct to use it. I have turned off and unscrewed lightbulbs if needed to make decisions.

A camera and lens no matter how good there are is just part of it. You have to understand how to light or it is possible the exposure will be bad no matter what you do in camera.

Oh, and by artificial light I mean you may need strobes with light stands to balance what ever the scene may be. You light larger groups differently that just one subject etc..
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And my camera was set to auto white balance.
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If the colors looked ok, natural looking then it is not I think white balance.

The other idea I think I saw here was to turn off Image Stabilization when using a tripod, which is correct to do.

Plus, using a cable release or the cameras self timer if it is shorter than a 10 sec. wait is not a bad thing to do too.

That still leaves how the room or location was lit and how it was controlled. You can still mess up a shot you light as well.

Take a look at YouTube or Google search how to light a large group of people, I am sure their are a bunch of video out there.
 
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