This time I will buy a GM the GM5

As it happens, I have a 3 stop ND filter for just this purpose. However it would be nice not to need it as it is nuisance to use, especially going back and forth between indoors where I need all the light I can get and a sunny outside.

Mark
I know how you feel. The faster readout/better electronic shutter of the Nikon V1 is the feature I miss the most on the mFT cameras.
 
Well I was rather regretting in some ways buying the G6 .... but love it in many ways. For me i love the smallness of the GM1 but also would miss the bviewfinder ( thats age for you) ... but personally i love to have a small camera in a small bag on a belt .. It does not get squished in pockets ....but it means I am not tempted to put it down while drinking a coffee etc .... so if I can f9ind a small Good BELT bag foir it then I will go for it ... in preference .. but if not then its the GM! for me .....



Personally I think there is room for



GM! ... pocket

GM5 ... belt



then G6 / GX7 ... each will have a market ... I am only sorry that Panasonic may drop G6 line as it is an incredibly easy camera to use .. very ergonomic ... wonderful ....



but dont knock GM1 or GM5 they BOTH have a place ... and one of them will be mine ... also the GM% means the GM1 will drop in price .. so we are all happy
 
Hi

I think the original GM1 is a real marvel, and it was very brave of Panasonic to make the body as small asit could have been while still remaing useable. With the GM5 we now have the option of an EVF. I have a GM1 which I use with a clearviewer so I do not feel the need to change. I also use the flash in bounce mode occasionally. I just wish I could use the flash to control my FL600r.

Yes the 1/50 sync speed is slow, but I really like the 1/16000 speed because it lets me use the 35-100 f2.8 wide open in bright light. If its a tradeoff, then it is a worthwhile one for me.

Berni
 
ND filters are a workaround for not having a high enough shutter speed.
Hmmm, Bright light, slow shutter speed, DOF control, waterfalls... have you done any of these?
 
ND filters are a workaround for not having a high enough shutter speed.
Hmmm, Bright light, slow shutter speed, DOF control, waterfalls... have you done any of these?
Obviously not, otherwise he would have realized how important ND filters are for certain types of shooting.
 
Hmmm, Bright light, slow shutter speed, DOF control, waterfalls... have you done any of these?
I do have a ND filter I use for slow shutter speeds. But for bright light and DOF control the only reason you need a ND filter is because your max shutter speed is too slow. I do not normally carry a tripod around so there is a limit to how slow a shutter speed I can use anyways. DOF control in bright light is easily the most common reason for needing a ND filter.
 
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re waterfalls/slow shutter speed

In that case it is a work around so you don't have to come back later when the sun has gone down! ;-)
 
Do you know if the accessory grip of the GM1 works on the GM5?
 
Do you know if the accessory grip of the GM1 works on the GM5?
I'm wondering if the Franiec GM1 grip will also fit the GM5. I'd much rather go that route if I were to buy a GM5.
 
Seems strange that of all the new cameras DPR chose to give the GM5 only a couple page preview or hands on report even though by far the smallest ILC with an EVF rather than the much fuller longer previews given for the others? Does this make a difference, yes it does since DPR measures its popularity contest by the number of pages looked at thus GM5 is ranked lower than others than it would have been. Same thing happened when the GM1 debuted last year I believe. Ever wonder why big DSLRs seem to dominate this "popularity contest" just look at the length of their reviews!
 
Well, to offer an alternative point of view, my disappointment with the GM5 is that it's too big. I like the fact that the GM1 is tiny, and can easily slip into my pocket with a small lens like the 12-32mm attached. Anything that makes it larger defeats its purpose, to me. I understand that there are compromises when making a tiny camera, but I'm more than willing to accept them in order to get a super-capable tiny camera.

If things like grip, flash, and comfort with large lenses mattered a lot to me I wouldn't get the GM1. There are many other options in m43.
Well I have to agree. If the GM1 were to be superseded by the GM5 it would be a black day indeed.

The GM1 makes its mark by being the smallest physical size interchangeable lens camera that has a reasonable sized sensor on board. That is something that should never be discounted despite many suggestions from those that would buy one if only it had ... (list).

A good move to supplement the GM1 with a camera with more conveniences for those that cannot live without them. But I think I could handle a GM5 as a backup camera for my GM1 ;)

Next task - lets try and convince those that see it as a cute little point and shoot of modest abilities of the fact that this is one quite capable camera despite its size.

For many small size = a toy and therefore no-good.
 
Well, to offer an alternative point of view, my disappointment with the GM5 is that it's too big. I like the fact that the GM1 is tiny, and can easily slip into my pocket with a small lens like the 12-32mm attached. Anything that makes it larger defeats its purpose, to me. I understand that there are compromises when making a tiny camera, but I'm more than willing to accept them in order to get a super-capable tiny camera.

If things like grip, flash, and comfort with large lenses mattered a lot to me I wouldn't get the GM1. There are many other options in m43.
If you have pockets large enough to fit a GM1 with the 12-32 attached, the extra 5mm of height and 6mm of depth of the GM5 shouldn't make a difference.

GM1 vs GM5 (size comparison)
Lets not get sidetracked by thinking the GM1/5 is only good if it fits in a pocket? Fitting in a pocket if you wish is a bonus, not a reason for being. A GM1 + Nocticron is not pocketable.

What does get lost in the static is that with small camera bodies even millimetres get important.

The biggest problem with the GM1 is that of itself it is very small indeed but fit a lens and physically larger cameras such as the Rioch GR suddenly become smaller. If you do try and keep the size of the GM1 to "pocketable" you do the camera a great dis-service by self-restricting the lenses that might be used on it to those of the smallest dimensions. This is about where the false comparisons with the RX100 (for example) crop up. To me being pocketable is only if it suits the occasion - the camera is "small format" and I don't need it to be "always pocketable" and limit what the camera can do for me.

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Tom Caldwell
 
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Well, to offer an alternative point of view, my disappointment with the GM5 is that it's too big. I like the fact that the GM1 is tiny, and can easily slip into my pocket with a small lens like the 12-32mm attached. Anything that makes it larger defeats its purpose, to me. I understand that there are compromises when making a tiny camera, but I'm more than willing to accept them in order to get a super-capable tiny camera.

If things like grip, flash, and comfort with large lenses mattered a lot to me I wouldn't get the GM1. There are many other options in m43.
It`s 4.6mm shorter and 5.7mm thinner, about the same weight. The GM5 will slip into the same pockets as the GM1 does, unless of course, you are wearing skinny jeans. If you don`t know what skinny jeans are, ask your teenage kids;-)
 
Well, to offer an alternative point of view, my disappointment with the GM5 is that it's too big. I like the fact that the GM1 is tiny, and can easily slip into my pocket with a small lens like the 12-32mm attached. Anything that makes it larger defeats its purpose, to me. I understand that there are compromises when making a tiny camera, but I'm more than willing to accept them in order to get a super-capable tiny camera.

If things like grip, flash, and comfort with large lenses mattered a lot to me I wouldn't get the GM1. There are many other options in m43.
If you have pockets large enough to fit a GM1 with the 12-32 attached, the extra 5mm of height and 6mm of depth of the GM5 shouldn't make a difference.

GM1 vs GM5 (size comparison)
I fit the GM1 + 12-32mm in the pocket of nearly every pair of pants I own, including jeans. It's a snug fit, which is why the extra dize of the GM5 DOES make a difference--to me. I get that it may not to you, or even to most users, but to me it's definitely a drawback.
It's definitely a drawback to me too.
 
Seems strange that of all the new cameras DPR chose to give the GM5 only a couple page preview or hands on report even though by far the smallest ILC with an EVF rather than the much fuller longer previews given for the others? Does this make a difference, yes it does since DPR measures its popularity contest by the number of pages looked at thus GM5 is ranked lower than others than it would have been. Same thing happened when the GM1 debuted last year I believe. Ever wonder why big DSLRs seem to dominate this "popularity contest" just look at the length of their reviews!
The GM1 seems to have had very good reviews - at least none of the ones I read seemed to have a bad word about them including that of dpreview. I also seem to remember the GM1 rating highly on "most popular camera" chart for quite some time.

Until the GM1/5 are seen to be proper cameras and not sub-standard toys then they will not get their place in the sun.

Comparing the GM1 to the RX100 as is frequently done is only an index of how little many understand about what the GM1 truly is. Those that have been bellyaching about no evf seem to have had their wish in the GM5 (thanks Panasonic) but again they seem to be missing the message that the GM1 is truly small and is a full capability serious camera and not a toy.

Seeing the GM1 as principally a toy, a backup camera, or "one for the wife" is also to miss what the GM1 is all about.

I called the GM1 a "game changer" a while back but many have not yet twigged as to what game this was. The game is a fully capable camera so small that it is regarded as a cute little toy when it is not. Throw bits back in to make it convenient and it is just another camera. Limit the lenses used so that it remains pocketable then it is just another self-constructed point'n'shoot.
 
Hi

Living in Hong Kong I can tell you that having a shutter speed above 1/4000 is very useful and convienient. On the size question, even if you carry a bag, smaller is generally better. I can fit my Em5 with the 12-32 and GM1 with the 35-100 f2.8 in a very small bag. I also have the 9mm bodycap in there. I have most of my bases are pretty well covered that way.

During my working week, the GM1 with 12-32 is small enough to earn a place in my work bag. Before the GM1, my EM5 (with landscape grip) and Pana 20mm used to sometimes come with me, but it's prescence was always noticed and it got left at home a lot of the time.
 
The GM5 will slip into the same pockets as the GM1 does, unless of course, you are wearing skinny jeans.
It was the protruding EVF of the GX7 that made me buy the GM1.

With the GM5 having a similarly protruding EVF, it will have this same "stickiness" that the GX7 has.

FWIW, the lens itself is completely round and does not "catch" all that much. The EVF does.
 
The Franiec grip on my GM1 will remain with it. I have already ordered another one for the GM5. It is a much better (and better looking) alternative than the over priced and strange looking one from Panasonic.
 

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