Ricoh GR - why isn't it more popular?

Leporello, you have a good point, 28 has been my only focal length thanks to ricoh, but I am still not very comfortable with it. The thing is, the original GRD had two conversion lenses, adding 21 and 40 to the system. That actually turned the 28 into a very useful main lens. Alone, not so sure...and if I really need to pick one lens I would also prefer 35. But let's go for a minute to the other heated thread on this forum: crop mode...it is useful to remember that there were tons of posts here, only few years ago, asking for a 35 mm prime GRD with the 1 1/8 sensor, which was the sensor size at the time. So my guess is many people should be perfectly happy with a 28 equiv apsc cropped to 35.
Crop is crop. It means an afterthought.

An afterthought means no original intent, no respect for the 35mm, and no deliberate commitment towards it.

Because any image size can be cropped from any original, and any FoV calculated to "fit" the illusion of a real focal length, it really only confirms the statement above — that Ricoh and Pentax both have a penchant for completely missing the mark.

Don't sell me very expensive suit and give me scissors with it. I prefer the original hemming and perfect fit.

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Not the best analogy there, because when you switch to crop mode it does let you frame and compose at the desired focal length. It also let's you save a cropped raw file. So indeed one can use it as intended not as an afterthought. Look, if you are purist in that sense, anything less than a full frame is an expensive suit cut with scissors. After all, the gr is equipped with a19 mm lens, almost same focal length as a "dedicated" micro four thirds camera with 20 mm lens attached to it. Is an Olympus with a 20 mm more "real" 40 mm than a GR with 19 mm cropped to 35 or 40? Of course, we still have the megapixel issue. In a "dedicated" modern camera you will get higher resolution, this is very true, but everyone was more than happy with a 10 mp sensor until few years ago.

More on scissors: can't remember, was is the pana lx line which came with a larger sensor in order to accommodate different image ratios? They were also cutting and throwing a portion of the image each time you pressed the shutter to give you a final image. Actually, as you well know, an image is created in circle, so photography is cutting with scissors to begin with.

of course, I would prefer a "true" apsc to a cropped one, but everything is relative. Gr cropped to 35 will give you a larger sensor (negative) than what you would get in an Olympus, or Panasonic with their "real" 35 or 40 . It is important to keep that in mind especially if you don't mind to live with a 10 mp image.
 
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I think it depends on more than one reason.

1. Ricoh is today not the most famous of brands. It is a big silence from the company (Sweden)

2. It is a 28mm fixed lens camera. I think most people would prefer a fixed zoom lens: 24...28 -70 / 2,8-4,0

3. The minimalistic design of the camera does not appeal to everyone.

But I like my GR very much;)
 
I ordered a GR when it first came out. I also picked up a wifi enabled sd card. This was my first camera purchase done purely on faith since no stores in my area carried them. And then I waited and waited and waited. After three months of basically no stock and repeated emails that kept moving back my expected delivery I finally cancelled my order. I looked at the coolpix a which was available locally but was too expensive and I decided to hold off until I could use the GR in person.

Eventually sony announced the rx100 mk2 and being Sony they showed up in stores within the week. The GR still nowhere to be found. While in the store testing the RX100 I talked with another buyer who also considered the GR. We both ended up with the RX 100 and I'm guessing he is as happy with his as I am with mine.

For a lot of us who want a small, flexible, go anywhere camera the rx100 is the current default choice. If Ricoh had a better supply chain I would be shooting a GR right now but Sony is good enough and arguably more flexible.
 
Not the best analogy there, because when you switch to crop mode it does let you frame and compose at the desired focal length. It also let's you save a cropped raw file. So indeed one can use it as intended not as an afterthought. Look, if you are purist in that sense, anything less than a full frame is an expensive suit cut with scissors. After all, the gr is equipped with a19 mm lens, almost same focal length as a "dedicated" micro four thirds camera with 20 mm lens attached to it. Is an Olympus with a 20 mm more "real" 40 mm than a GR with 19 mm cropped to 35 or 40? Of course, we still have the megapixel issue. In a "dedicated" modern camera you will get higher resolution, this is very true, but everyone was more than happy with a 10 mp sensor until few years ago.

More on scissors: can't remember, was is the pana lx line which came with a larger sensor in order to accommodate different image ratios? They were also cutting and throwing a portion of the image each time you pressed the shutter to give you a final image. Actually, as you well know, an image is created in circle, so photography is cutting with scissors to begin with.

of course, I would prefer a "true" apsc to a cropped one, but everything is relative. Gr cropped to 35 will give you a larger sensor (negative) than what you would get in an Olympus, or Panasonic with their "real" 35 or 40 . It is important to keep that in mind especially if you don't mind to live with a 10 mp image.
Again, cropping is an afterthought. It is always left for later and 'software can sort that out'. Can we beg future camera manufacturers they supply their cameras with a 20mm lens, and a 400 MP sensor, as the any crop can pulled out with a satisfactorily high number of pixels? Is THAT the future of imaging — serving all suits and all shirts and coats with scissors?

What really matters in a camera is a design and intent behind a specific sensor size and lens design.

Digression: However, I am not advocating inserting a 35mm sensor in a GR. The camera will increase in size. But is another lens possible? Of course.

If 28mm lens is preferred for some doctrinal Ricoh's values, there is a lot to be gained by introducing a 35mm, and 43mm lens designs in a separate GR design.

And now the pragmatic issue: can a 35mm camera do a 28mm shot? Of course — digital photography allows it through simple and seamless panning, if needed. If a puny iPhone can do that, why not the almighty GR? Panning was impossible in film — and that impediment of film the GR concept faithfully replicates — to the last problem — in the digital form.

Panning adds more pixels to the image, yet cropping removes them. Which is better?

So I see the GR design today as a faithful resurrection of all the problems film imaging had, and which Ricoh never really rethought in the digital form. The GR is practically a film camera. Aways was, always is. And I think it needs to be rethought.

28mm GR had some practical sense in the film era, for the Japanese market, but nowadays for the world market, I don't think so.

If the GR is compliant to the 28 mm lens, then I must suppose it is for the sake of tradition and not so much to address any practical issue in the digital photography when it addresses none — it only complicates the issue by cropping of the scene to more desirable simulated focal lengths and losing precious lens information.

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Not the best analogy there, because when you switch to crop mode it does let you frame and compose at the desired focal length. It also let's you save a cropped raw file. So indeed one can use it as intended not as an afterthought. Look, if you are purist in that sense, anything less than a full frame is an expensive suit cut with scissors. After all, the gr is equipped with a19 mm lens, almost same focal length as a "dedicated" micro four thirds camera with 20 mm lens attached to it. Is an Olympus with a 20 mm more "real" 40 mm than a GR with 19 mm cropped to 35 or 40? Of course, we still have the megapixel issue. In a "dedicated" modern camera you will get higher resolution, this is very true, but everyone was more than happy with a 10 mp sensor until few years ago.

More on scissors: can't remember, was is the pana lx line which came with a larger sensor in order to accommodate different image ratios? They were also cutting and throwing a portion of the image each time you pressed the shutter to give you a final image. Actually, as you well know, an image is created in circle, so photography is cutting with scissors to begin with.

of course, I would prefer a "true" apsc to a cropped one, but everything is relative. Gr cropped to 35 will give you a larger sensor (negative) than what you would get in an Olympus, or Panasonic with their "real" 35 or 40 . It is important to keep that in mind especially if you don't mind to live with a 10 mp image.
Again, cropping is an afterthought. It is always left for later and 'software can sort that out'. Can we beg future camera manufacturers they supply their cameras with a 20mm lens, and a 400 MP sensor, as the any crop can pulled out with a satisfactorily high number of pixels? Is THAT the future of imaging — serving all suits and all shirts and coats with scissors?

What really matters in a camera is a design and intent behind a specific sensor size and lens design.

Digression: However, I am not advocating inserting a 35mm sensor in a GR. The camera will increase in size. But is another lens possible? Of course.

If 28mm lens is preferred for some doctrinal Ricoh's values, there is a lot to be gained by introducing a 35mm, and 43mm lens designs in a separate GR design.

And now the pragmatic issue: can a 35mm camera do a 28mm shot? Of course — digital photography allows it through simple and seamless panning, if needed. If a puny iPhone can do that, why not the almighty GR? Panning was impossible in film — and that impediment of film the GR concept faithfully replicates — to the last problem — in the digital form.

Panning adds more pixels to the image, yet cropping removes them. Which is better?

So I see the GR design today as a faithful resurrection of all the problems film imaging had, and which Ricoh never really rethought in the digital form. The GR is practically a film camera. Aways was, always is. And I think it needs to be rethought.

28mm GR had some practical sense in the film era, for the Japanese market, but nowadays for the world market, I don't think so.

If the GR is compliant to the 28 mm lens, then I must suppose it is for the sake of tradition and not so much to address any practical issue in the digital photography when it addresses none — it only complicates the issue by cropping of the scene to more desirable simulated focal lengths and losing precious lens information.

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You insist that it is an afterthought, which clearly depends on how you define an afterthought. Technologically speaking you are correct: the camera is doing things that it wasn't specifically designed to do so. There is no point in debating that. But photographically speaking it is *not* an afterthought, as I tried to explain in the previous post: you are framing and visualizing with the intent of making a picture with a narrower field of view.

a 19 mm GR vs a 20 mm OLY: one "acts like" a 28, the other "acts like" a 40! They are both "compromises" if you are thinking in purist sense. And of course, we are speaking in 35 mm film terms, which, by some, would also be regarded as a terrible compromise. But let's leave that aside...I invite anyone to check the resolution and quality of output from either of these cameras against their forefathers with 35 mm film and 40 mm lenses.

One thing for sure, technology brings new possibilities, and I can understand why some will oppose them. I remember my first reaction when I found out about image engines performing lens correction: it was the most appalling thing, a betrayal...or cooked raw files? how dare they jpegized raw! But I feel much more comfortable with these.

The number of things that happen to an image between the time that you press the shutter and by the time it is saved to your sd card is a very long list. And i would think considerable number of them would qualify as an afterthought by your logic. We may not like this, but we live in an era where purism is not what it used to be.
 
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"What really matters in a camera is a design and intent behind a specific sensor size and lens design"

And what really matters in a photo is design and intent behind what you are trying to capture. The crop mode lets me do the latter with plenty of quality despite the compromises so to me at least everything else is irrelevant.
 
I ordered a GR when it first came out. I also picked up a wifi enabled sd card. This was my first camera purchase done purely on faith since no stores in my area carried them. And then I waited and waited and waited. After three months of basically no stock and repeated emails that kept moving back my expected delivery I finally cancelled my order. I looked at the coolpix a which was available locally but was too expensive and I decided to hold off until I could use the GR in person.

Eventually sony announced the rx100 mk2 and being Sony they showed up in stores within the week. The GR still nowhere to be found. While in the store testing the RX100 I talked with another buyer who also considered the GR. We both ended up with the RX 100 and I'm guessing he is as happy with his as I am with mine.

For a lot of us who want a small, flexible, go anywhere camera the rx100 is the current default choice. If Ricoh had a better supply chain I would be shooting a GR right now but Sony is good enough and arguably more flexible.
Yes, the RX100 is a very nice camera. I have the old LX3 (love it) and wait for the grand successor LX100, said to be the best fixed lens camera ever;)
 
Not the best analogy there, because when you switch to crop mode it does let you frame and compose at the desired focal length. It also let's you save a cropped raw file. So indeed one can use it as intended not as an afterthought. Look, if you are purist in that sense, anything less than a full frame is an expensive suit cut with scissors. After all, the gr is equipped with a19 mm lens, almost same focal length as a "dedicated" micro four thirds camera with 20 mm lens attached to it. Is an Olympus with a 20 mm more "real" 40 mm than a GR with 19 mm cropped to 35 or 40? Of course, we still have the megapixel issue. In a "dedicated" modern camera you will get higher resolution, this is very true, but everyone was more than happy with a 10 mp sensor until few years ago.

More on scissors: can't remember, was is the pana lx line which came with a larger sensor in order to accommodate different image ratios? They were also cutting and throwing a portion of the image each time you pressed the shutter to give you a final image. Actually, as you well know, an image is created in circle, so photography is cutting with scissors to begin with.

of course, I would prefer a "true" apsc to a cropped one, but everything is relative. Gr cropped to 35 will give you a larger sensor (negative) than what you would get in an Olympus, or Panasonic with their "real" 35 or 40 . It is important to keep that in mind especially if you don't mind to live with a 10 mp image.
Again, cropping is an afterthought. It is always left for later and 'software can sort that out'. Can we beg future camera manufacturers they supply their cameras with a 20mm lens, and a 400 MP sensor, as the any crop can pulled out with a satisfactorily high number of pixels? Is THAT the future of imaging — serving all suits and all shirts and coats with scissors?
I have actually predicted this could very well happen. Why not? The important thing is if you framed the shot and the crop preserved. It's not an after though if you are doing this at the time of capture like you would do on a Ricoh GR with the crop modes.

I do think when that day (the 400 MP sensor) day comes, I would like them to simply output 16 MP and just have the zoom happen on the crop itself. Would make for quite a versatile camera lens-range wise equipped with a single prime.

That said, I do want a 50mm lens equivalent F2.0 Ricoh GR if possible.
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That said, I do want a 50mm lens equivalent F2.0 Ricoh GR if possible.
Perfect two camera carry combination : GR-28 and GR-50

The instant the announce one, I'm hitting the pre-order button :-)
 
This is going to seem like a strange 'waste of space' post as it's simply a love-fest. But after owning many compacts and mirrorless cameras I'm surprised the GR isn't more popular.
There are many reasons which make a camera sell well or not so this is not very difficult to guess why the GR is not a camera for everyone

But honestly who cares ? as long as the camera is popular " enough" and the sales high enough for Ricoh to keep the line alive , I am thrilled to have a camera that most people do not even know about

But of course , you cannot go by me based on my camera history. I am an specific case if no one else is based on which brands I did own and did not own

Harold
 
"What really matters in a camera is a design and intent behind a specific sensor size and lens design"

And what really matters in a photo is design and intent behind what you are trying to capture. The crop mode lets me do the latter with plenty of quality despite the compromises so to me at least everything else is irrelevant.
I agree, the GR is my go-everywhere 28mm camera. I have other cameras and there is no need (for me personally) for another focal length in the camera. Others can differ and I respect this.

I think that no matter what lens combination Ricoh might have put in a GRD/GR body their lack of market presence would keep them as a bit player in the popularity stakes.

But discussion is interesting and maybe some wishes might come true.
 
Nikon A is the same price as the GR now, about $ 600
This is complete rubbish and you've been spouting this same, misleading nonsense for months.

Adorama, Amazon, and B&H all sell the GR for about the same price, $697, $683 and $697. This is NOT about $600. It's about $700.

Adorama, Amazon and B&H sell the Coolpix A for the same price, $1097, $1097 and $1097.

B&H and Adorama sell the Coolpix A for $720 and $729. Amazon doesn't show any that are refurbished, only new and used.

If the Coolpix A is available new (you don't say if it's new or refurbished) it will be from some eBay or internet vendor located in Hong Kong, Kowloon or some other country like that, where you're likely to pay customs fees after it arrives in the USA in addition to whatever the shipping cost comes to. If there's a problem with the camera, you'll have to ship it back to Asia because it's a gray market camera that Nikon won't service even if you're willing to pay for it.
Nikon A yields perfect jpegs. Perfect colors. GR reds look pinkish, orange, not red.
Not pinkish, just a slightly orange color cast to the reds, the same slightly orange color cast as I get from my Nikon and Fuji cameras.
I didn't have a 64 bit computer so I was stuck with Capture One v6 and Phase One is not over-supportive of Ricoh cameras generally an certainly were not going to upgrade colour profiles for a camera they berely knew existed when they had moved on. So my GR files had magenta-toned skies. It was not that I was not going to move on. When I did get v7 on a 64 bit computer I was looking for something to process Panasonic RW2 raw files (yes I am an annoying Panasonic fan boy as well - grin) but surprisingly Phase One does not support Panasonic raw nor did the reply to my query elicit any urgency to do so. Therefore despite being a loyal paid up Capture One customer sonce v2 I moved on. The present version of Rawtherapee is quite good - a big step forward from the last time I looked and does not seem to have any problem with RW2 files at all.
 
Fair comment, put me on your ignore list and I wil stop bothering you.

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Tom, I don't think it is possible to ignore your posts- not in this forum. Besides, the only people I ignore are the nasty guys- you sure are not one of them, and there are very few of them around here. You probably, think that I am one of those nasty guys, but I really have *zero* problem with you.

Actually, the few nasty ones around here, are the ones I usually philosophically agree with...i don't agree with your point of you, that's it. And I would like to be able to voice it. I doubt there is a single post here where I personally attacked you.
 
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Dennis

I solved the problem with a Panasonic GM1 and a Nocticron 42.5 (85mm eq) f1.2 IS. And I added a Olympus 12mm (24mm eq) f2.0 for fun. With a Voigtlander Heliar 75mm (150mm eq) f1.8. I have a reasonable focal length bracketing without a zoom but I hear tell that there are a couple of Panasoninc fixed f2.8 zooms that give a good spread of focal lengths but I have not ventured that far. With suitable adapters my LM MF lenses can serve double duty with my GXR.

The GR is a good compact high performing camera but its lens is limiting from a versatility point of view as is well explained on other posts to this thread. My cross experience with the GR and GM1 shows that they do image very well even if the RX100 is easily good enough for most occasions and should be respected as it deserves.

There are many thoughts for different lens combinations for the GR but a replaceable lensed body of similar dimensions and not that far away in sensor size (GM1) gives users a choice as wide as their pocket book is deep. This can lead to odd lens/camera combinations but there is not reason to suspect that making multiple GR cameras would not do the same and of course it is a fairly safe bet that there will never be a 85mm eq f1.2 IS GR version.

The GM1 only gets mentioned by myself and it is usually Fuji and Nikon that get compared to Ricoh products on this forum. (Why, I am not sure, but maybe Panasonic still has to earn some credo as a proper camera manufacturer). The GM1 of course has a smaller body than the GR but as soon as you start adding lenses the size advantage disappears and many find that the GM1 body is too small to be comfortable with large lenses on board.

User wise Panasonic has done a great job of adding a great deal of control to such a small body as the GM1 and the touch screen is thoughtfullly used. But the reliance on one multi-function wheel to do multiple tasks gives it a certain fiddly feedback and false presses are common even after some extended use. It is a frustration that I bear for the other advantages but I have remembered some curses I thought I had completely forgotten. Especially if I am in left playback and my thumb overlaps the touch screen and activates the delete key - luckily it asks for confirmation as it is usually for my only good shot of the day.

Ricoh always has had a very intuitive user interface on its cameras and this is something that does not show up in performance statistics.

In the end I like each camera lens combination for what it can do and if a 28mm eq f2.8 that is very portable, intuitive to use, has powerful firmware and takes excellent images fits into a user-need then the GR is my camera of choice.

Even with the small Olympus 24mm f2.0 equivalent on board the GM1 is not really small enough to be worn on the belt but the GR certainly is - and a whole lot more intuitive to use than the RX100. No zoom of course.

But of course I have no more experience of the RX100 than having been handed the camera and asked to take an image a few times. My experince with the two Sony cameras that I actually own is that the user interface is something that you can get used to in time.

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This is going to seem like a strange 'waste of space' post as it's simply a love-fest. But after owning many compacts and mirrorless cameras I'm surprised the GR isn't more popular.
There are many reasons which make a camera sell well or not so this is not very difficult to guess why the GR is not a camera for everyone

But honestly who cares ? as long as the camera is popular " enough" and the sales high enough for Ricoh to keep the line alive , I am thrilled to have a camera that most people do not even know about

But of course , you cannot go by me based on my camera history. I am an specific case if no one else is based on which brands I did own and did not own

Harold
 
Tom just how good is that new lens? Samples seem incredible, but I couldn't soon afford it. It must be a little unbalanced on your camera though, no?

Well, I've sold my GR during the past week with mixed feelings. In the end the 28mm focal length was something I couldn't warm to despite four months of usage. The camera was brilliant, I really loved it despite its little issues (mainly WB and metering). The RAW files were fun to play with.

If Ricoh ever comes out with a 40mm version I would hop on it. Until then this was a great experiment, shooting with Ricoh and learning the 28mm FOV. Thanks everyone for all the tips and take care.
 
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I agree that there will be no perfect camera for everyone and usually the camera that suits is the one with the least amount of annoyances for any individual.

Long live the difference - if all cameras were the same they would be boring.

Notably the OP seems to have gone off in some sort of shell-shock ;)

Back in the "reds" day I was still some months off being able to buy a GR as were many others in the world and it was a bit more of a negative thing than you might have realised to put off prospective buyers before they could even get one to try. Being "rusted in" as most have noticed it took more than a little "reds hysterics" so dampen my enthusiasm but it might have flattened some less determined lookers.

Maybe you were even handed, I respect you for your honest knowledge, even if I don't always agree - certainly you told it the way you saw it and I have no problem with that but many nay-sayers always seize on a reported possible problem with any new camera aas some sort of cause celebre and in the case of the GR it was played as a terminal fault in the camera itself (as I remember it - being one who had no opportunity to try for myself). But in the meantime it was beat up by others to some sort of hysteria which suddenly disappeared when Adobe got its act together more or less proving that there was no specific "fault" in the GR camera itself as some were suggesting.

I did not mention my "magenta skies" in Capture One v6 as I thought the Adobe issue was done enough but Phase One had no intention of fixing the colour profile specifically for such a rare bird as the GR when they apparently had "proper cameras" to look after. The GR may have a colour profile in Capture One v7 but it had no interest in RW2 files and also ARW files if I remember correctly and so I in turn have lost interest in the narrow focus of Phase One products no matter how technically competent they may be in the file formats they fully support.

Jumping from the Capture One $ upgrade race I had no intention of joining the Lightroom $ upgrade race and have found the latest iteration of Rawtherapee (despite its name) a quite mature product (and free of course). Much improved on the one I tried and rejected as too basic some years earlier.
 
Tom just how good is that new lens? Samples seem incredible, but I couldn't soon afford it. It must be a little unbalancef on your camera though, no?
I find it very good. I have put up images on the M4/3 forum (not recently). I have not put any on my gallery and therefore my gallery images are well out of date and were only more illustrative than "proud works of art". I am a long term user of the 85mm portrait lens style and have had a Canon EF 85mm f1.2 since well before my Ricoh "trip". The Nocticron is also a large lens but is quite svelte compared to the Canon version. It also has a very effective in-lens IS system.

On the GM1 it is quite large but I use a home-made version of the Clearviewer device as a form of viewfinder - I have illustrated this quite a lot on the M4/3 forum showing how it works on the GM1-Nocticron combination. The grip then becomes "traditional dslr" with eye to finder and left hand under lens - it is not nearly as good used "traditional compact" style with the camera held out to focus directly off lcd. I call my device the "VEfnder" to distinguish it from the commercially made and sold "Clearviewer" - searching the M4/3 forum for "VEfinder" should find references to it. Also the GM1 is so fast to focus and record that using a "fast 85" with it is quite easy and a pleasure.

I thought I could not make myself afford the Nocticron myself but afterwards the price is forgotten as the combination is a good one.

I would never have gone near the 4/3 sensor had it not been for the GM1. I was looking for a possible replacement for the GXR as many on here must be considering. There is a general thrust that a replacement should have a built in evf and tilt lcd as well as the very essential fast shot to shot buffer that the GXR glaringly does not have. Coming back to use the GXR with a dedicated VEfinder as well I immediately notice the slow file recording as a standout nuisance.

In any case the GM1 has led me to the larger format sibling: the GX7 with its full house of conveniences and GXR body size. It is a more comfortable camera in hand with the Nocticron but I still tend to take the GM1 in preference. Small is beautiful in my book but not to everyone's taste the main thing about the GM1 is although it looks toy like it is no toy and is in fact a full-house 4/3 sensor camera in a remarkably small form factor with a good number of frustrating inconveniences. I can live with the frustrations to get the compact size but it would not suit everyone.
Well, I've sold my GR during the past week with mixed feelings. In the end the 28mm focal length was something I couldn't warm to despite four months of usage. The camera was brilliant, I really loved it despite its little issues (mainly WB and metering). The RAW files were fun to play with.
Yes more is the pity but the camera that is used should do the job the owner wishes it to do. I use my GR more sparingly. It is still the handiest camera to carry in a belt case when the object is just to have a camera there and not necessary a trip to use one. The GRDIV is also good for this purpose. When working I used to have a GRD with me as much as others could not be separated from their mobile phone. I enjoyed the luxury of having a receptionist and other support staff to filter calls and help advise otherwise I would be even more mad than I curently am. Being on beck and call for instant phone access by everyone who might think they needed an instant talk-fix in my type of business is mind boggling. So mobile phones never became part of my job-description.

Out and about I occasionally had some good photographic opportunities where having a reasonable camera handy was useful.
If Ricoh ever comes out with a 40mm version I would hop on it. Until then this was a great experiment, shooting with Ricoh and learning the 28mm FOV. Thanks everyone for all the tips and take care.
Yes they might, but my guess is that the GXR paradigm was a great idea not taken to its logical conclusion. Whether or not Ricoh might revive it at some date is moot. I have already carried on about a GR sized camera back with modules which might allow many versions of the GR - the primary one being an aps-c mount module.

What is not always recognised is that each GXR wiht module fitted is "a camera" and such camera cannot be readily determined as separate components - so well does it fit together - and separating the parts in front of a person unused to the GXR always raises surprised eyebrows to those ppreviously convinced that it is just another all in one fixed lens camera.

Two things probably will ensure that this never happens to the GR - firstly the lack of a suitable short flange back length mount and lenses to suit - I have suggested the new Leica T mount as a possible one that might fill the slot. The other is probably the perceived need by "everyone" that even very small format camera bodies have an evf/ovf of some sort. I am happy that my home made VEfinder fills the need for "any" sort of viewfinder device but most simply want a traditional viewfinder style and the GR body format would probably preclude something of this nature.

Meanwhile the GM1/GX7/A7R is my way forward - others may choose another course that suits them better.
 

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