GM1 vs. E-PL5

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After having gotten great help from you recently and having bought a bargain E-PM1, I finally got convinced to get an E-PL5 to live up to my true photography potential ;-)

I managed to be able to get it for a great price (222€ new body). Now the last doubts are: how is the GM1 (price: 300€ new body) in comparison to the E-PL5? I do like to take videos as well as stills, but not on a professional level.
The 2-axis IBIS seems to be a great advantage (and upgrade from the E-PM1) and the tilt screen is exciting (lots of new unusual angles to explore).

Might it even be worth waiting for a GM5 and maybe spend a lot of money? The E-PL7 doesn't seem to be such a major upgrade, except 3 axis IBIS, focus peaking and some minor features.

My major limitation at the moment is price, though.
What do you think? Should I shoot the E-PL5 or wait?
 
After having gotten great help from you recently and having bought a bargain E-PM1, I finally got convinced to get an E-PL5 to live up to my true photography potential ;-)

I managed to be able to get it for a great price (222€ new body). Now the last doubts are: how is the GM1 (price: 300€ new body) in comparison to the E-PL5? I do like to take videos as well as stills, but not on a professional level.
The 2-axis IBIS seems to be a great advantage (and upgrade from the E-PM1) and the tilt screen is exciting (lots of new unusual angles to explore).

Might it even be worth waiting for a GM5 and maybe spend a lot of money? The E-PL7 doesn't seem to be such a major upgrade, except 3 axis IBIS, focus peaking and some minor features.

My major limitation at the moment is price, though.
What do you think? Should I shoot the E-PL5 or wait?
First, the 2-axis IBIS in the E-PL5 is the same as in the E-PM1, don't expect any change.

I own the E-PM2, which is basically an E-PL5 with fixed screen and a couple less buttons.

And I bought a GM1. To me, the Panasonic is a much better camera, but your mileage may vary.

I have to say that I use the GM1 as a second camera, and as such, it's easier to accept its limitations (mechanical shutter up to 1/500 only, flash sync is at 1/50, no viewfinder, not even an option, few buttons...).

The advantages to the Olympus:

- Tiltable screen.

- Better controls (not by much, the rear dial is a PITA)

- hot shoe for external flash or viewfinder

- 1/4000 mechanical shutter

- faster flash sync (don't remember, 1/200?)

- 2-axis IBIS (though I never managed to get it to work. To me, only Oly's 3 and 5 axis IBIS are useful).

The advantages of the Panasonic:

- nicer screen (much better resolution)

- built-in popup flash

- better touch screen implementation

- smaller and lighter (that's up to you)

- 1/16000 electronic shutter, and completely silent operation in electronic shutter. To me, that's a huge plus.

- Wifi with extensive features

- sexier ;)

- no shutter shock, at all. (thanks to the electronic first curtain shutter)

- in-camera jpeg correction for CA as well as other distortions.

Of course, it also comes down to which lenses you will use. The GM1 is better used with smaller lenses.

I'd say the E-PL7 offers much more than it seems at first, but it will also be much more expensive.
 
After having gotten great help from you recently and having bought a bargain E-PM1, I finally got convinced to get an E-PL5 to live up to my true photography potential ;-)

I managed to be able to get it for a great price (222€ new body). Now the last doubts are: how is the GM1 (price: 300€ new body) in comparison to the E-PL5? I do like to take videos as well as stills, but not on a professional level.
The GM1 is sort of a one-trick pony, there's no way to add a viewfinder if you discover you want one and no way to add an external flash if you discover you want one of those. When it came out with the 12-32mm zoom, it was of course touted as the smallest ILC mirrorless camera you could get. Panasonic promised a whole line of lenses just for the GM1; have you seen any? It's great to use with the little zoom or one of Panasonic's other pancake lenses; just stick it in your pocket and go. But, you can probably do the same thing with your E-PM1 and a small Olympus lens.
The 2-axis IBIS seems to be a great advantage (and upgrade from the E-PM1) and the tilt screen is exciting (lots of new unusual angles to explore).
The E-PL5 is close to an E-M5 without the EVF and size. You have a nice capable camera there to grow your digital photography with. If you're convinced you want one, get it. Don't let this weeks new releases sway you, next week there will be the next GM1, or EM-5 or whatever to drive us all nuts.
Might it even be worth waiting for a GM5 and maybe spend a lot of money? The E-PL7 doesn't seem to be such a major upgrade, except 3 axis IBIS, focus peaking and some minor features.
The E-PL7 is pretty much of a clone of my E-M10, without the EVF and with an LCD that flips up far enough for selfies. For $100 more or the Euro equivalent, I'd go for the E-M10 unless you can't live without the selfie feature.
My major limitation at the moment is price, though.
What do you think? Should I shoot the E-PL5 or wait?
The camera companies would get you to upgrade every six months it they could. The car companies used to be like that until cars started costing more than houses.
 
In terms of IQ the EPL5 and GM1 are very close

Ditto with the later cameras like the EPL7

The EPL5 is the more versatile camera of the 2 with better controls, grip, add on EVF, IBIS , LCD, flash ...

The only thing is in favor of the GM1 is the size

So if you want a truly pocketable body, the GM1 is it

Other than that the EPL5 should shine in all other areas

The EPL7 to me looks the best , of course at a price

If you need a camera today , the EPL5 is your best bet

Cheers, ;-)
 
If you use external flash and/or a viewfinder, get the EPL5. Otherwise get the GM1.

I use both (mom owns the EPL5), and prefer the GM1, but I don't care about its constraints.

I love the focus peaking, silent shutter and 1/16000 max shutter speed. Other than that, both deliver incredible pictures.
 
Thanks for the answers!

I actually like the E-PL5 more, just hoping that I won't miss the focus peaking (will use some legacy glass) and silent shutter and 1/16000, and the better resolution screen. Size doesn't play a role.

Other than that, the E-PL5 is absolute favorite. In a way, I just want to hear that this camera is the best possible purchase for that low end pricerange ;-)
 
My M4/3 journey over the last 12 months has been this:

First camera I bought was the EPM2 with kit zoom, immediately bought the 20mm f1.7 and loved the combination as a compact camera that I could take almost anywhere, only thing I really missed on this combo was an EVF (but I really didn't).

A few months ago I sold my EPM2 and went to an EM5 (due to some very good sale with cash back etc) as I wanted to try out the EVF and the legendary 5-axis stabilizer as I thought it would make me a better photographer. I loved it but it was a bit too bulky for my needs and ended up selling it in just 2 months.

Now I own a GM1, and it has gotten me back to where I was with the EPM2, very compact and I can take it everywhere, its even smaller than the EPM2 and its noticeable. I have gained a few things I didn't have with the EPM2 or EM5 - focus peaking, 1/16000 shutter, silent shooting, Electronic first curtain shutter and a built in flash.

I don't miss the stabilization that much as I find the GM1 shutter is a lot less loud/abrupt compared to the EPM2 - which was like firing a shotgun with a huge recoil compared to the GM1 which feels silent in even non Electronic shutter mode. I am a lot less prone to hand shake due to the shutter release with the GM1. Another thing I found was that 3200 ISO on GM1 is a bit cleaner than the EPM2/EM5 sensor, so I am OK pushing the ISO, even 6400 at times if I am worried about hand shake in low light.

I don't miss the EVF that much either, the GM1 screen is very bright, I do wish it was tiltable though, but that's a minor qualm. The fact that the GM1 is less than 1/2 the size of an EM5 means i am able to easily slip it into my jacket/hoodie pocket and it means I take it with me a lot more, just with a wrist strap attached to it as it does lack a good grip.

I don't miss the faster flash sync speed either - I never carry flash with me when I had the EPM2/EM5 cause it was another thing to carry, now with a GM1 its built in so its always there when I need it which is rare but good to have.

One thing I do think the GM1 beats the EPM2 and even the EPL5 in is manual control - the on screen Fn buttons are amazing and I would say its a lot quicker to change settings on this than the EPM2 I had - I also use the AF/MF dedicated switch a lot, had to jump through the SCP in Olympus to get to that.

I would say the EPL5 is great - same as an EPM2 with an extra button/mode dial and tilting screen - so go for it if its cheap but if you value size over everything then GM1 is better.
 
hmmm Sylon you get me thinking!

But unless I can get the GM1 for a similar price than the E-PL5, I think it's not worth for me to spend almost 1/3 more for these minor features. Rather selling the E-PL5 in half a year and get the successor of the GM1.

edit: I have been obsessed with finding the perfect price/performance camera for the past 2 months. Now with the E-PL5 I found the *almost* perfect one, only the GM1 can compete now, but I hope the E-PL5 will win ;)
 
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hmmm Sylon you get me thinking!

But unless I can get the GM1 for a similar price than the E-PL5, I think it's not worth for me to spend almost 1/3 more for these minor features. Rather selling the E-PL5 in half a year and get the successor of the GM1.

edit: I have been obsessed with finding the perfect price/performance camera for the past 2 months. Now with the E-PL5 I found the *almost* perfect one, only the GM1 can compete now, but I hope the E-PL5 will win ;)
The E-PL5 works for me and I bought two bodies so less lens changes and I have backup when on holidays.

The E-PL7 does not appeal to me, no real changes in IQ and only WiFi and trivial changes made, not for me. Though the 3 axis stabilisation could be useful at times.

In Australia currently the E-P5 price is falling fast and that could be appealing if making a choice now, better 5 axis stabilisation, 0 second anti-shock to help prevent shutter shock blur, 1/8000 shutter, pop-up flash so flash and optional viewfinder can be used together.

At my usual Sydney store the E-P5 body price has now just fallen $10 below the E-PL5 body price, though I could get the E-PL5 cheaper elsewhere. http://www.digidirect.com.au/slr_cameras/olympus

Regards..... Guy
 
bs1946 wrote:
In Australia currently the E-P5 price is falling fast and that could be appealing if making a choice now, better 5 axis stabilisation, 0 second anti-shock to help prevent shutter shock blur, 1/8000 shutter, pop-up flash so flash and optional viewfinder can be used together.

At my usual Sydney store the E-P5 body price has now just fallen $10 below the E-PL5 body price, though I could get the E-PL5 cheaper elsewhere. http://www.digidirect.com.au/slr_cameras/olympus

Regards..... Guy
Guy Parsons recognises a deal when he sees one. I just bought the E-P5; a lot of camera for less money than the new E-PL7! Ok . . . it would be much better with a built-in viewfinder; yes it SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT WITH THE BUILT-IN FINDER . . . BUT the fact remains that it has the auxiliary finder . . . so no real problem. Can't wait to get my hands on mine.
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Correction on my last post: you need to BUY the auxiliary viewfinder for the E-P5; the camera doesn't come with it. I have a VF-2 already so I will use that. Thought about upgrading to the VF-4 but decided I don't want to spend the extra money.
 
After having gotten great help from you recently and having bought a bargain E-PM1, I finally got convinced to get an E-PL5 to live up to my true photography potential ;-)

I managed to be able to get it for a great price (222€ new body). Now the last doubts are: how is the GM1 (price: 300€ new body) in comparison to the E-PL5? I do like to take videos as well as stills, but not on a professional level.
The 2-axis IBIS seems to be a great advantage (and upgrade from the E-PM1) and the tilt screen is exciting (lots of new unusual angles to explore).

Might it even be worth waiting for a GM5 and maybe spend a lot of money? The E-PL7 doesn't seem to be such a major upgrade, except 3 axis IBIS, focus peaking and some minor features.

My major limitation at the moment is price, though.
What do you think? Should I shoot the E-PL5 or wait?
Can you live with a camera without an EVF and without an accessory hotshoe?

If you can, the GM1 + kit lens / small prime with reward you with a very capable and very compact camera.

If not, I'm sure you'll be happy with the well regarded E-PL5.
 
bs1946 wrote:
The GM1 is sort of a one-trick pony, there's no way to add a viewfinder if you discover you want one and no way to add an external flash if you discover you want one of those. When it came out with the 12-32mm zoom, it was of course touted as the smallest ILC mirrorless camera you could get. Panasonic promised a whole line of lenses just for the GM1; have you seen any? It's great to use with the little zoom or one of Panasonic's other pancake lenses; just stick it in your pocket and go. But, you can probably do the same thing with your E-PM1 and a small Olympus lens.
"One-trick pony"!!!!!!!!--haven't heard that old standard expression in quite a while--and how true it is. The GM1 is basically a back-up camera or a camera for someone who likes to shoot from the screen exclusively. Honestly I thought about buying it before I bought my E-PM2 but the lack of a viewfinder option scotched it for me. It even lacks a cold shoe for ocular finders, i.e. it is less well equipped than the old E-P1. Panasonic . . .
In Australia currently the E-P5 price is falling fast and that could be appealing if making a choice now, better 5 axis stabilisation, 0 second anti-shock to help prevent shutter shock blur, 1/8000 shutter, pop-up flash so flash and optional viewfinder can be used together.

At my usual Sydney store the E-P5 body price has now just fallen $10 below the E-PL5 body price, though I could get the E-PL5 cheaper elsewhere. http://www.digidirect.com.au/slr_cameras/olympus

Regards..... Guy
Guy Parsons recognises a deal when he sees one. I just bought the E-P5; a lot of camera for less money than the new E-PL7! Ok . . . it would be much better with a built-in viewfinder; yes it SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT WITH THE BUILT-IN FINDER . . . BUT the fact remains that it has the auxiliary finder . . . so no real problem. Can't wait to get my hands on mine.
The PL5 has exactly two advantages over the GM1: a (very basic) IBIS, which will expand a bit the usable shutter speed range of your non-stabilized primes (good for low light photography!) and a second mechanical curtain (the main advantage here is higher shutter speed for fill-in flash photography, otherwise the limitations are marginal, at least for me; I shoot with available light only). If these are deal-breakers, go for the PL5; but otherwise I would go for the GM1, because, as far as I am concerned, the rest of the Olympus advantages is totally insignificant: the old Olympus evfs that can be used with the PL5 are nothing to write home about (I have tried them and did not like them; I have experimented with an ordinary magnifying glass and now I plan to get a Clearviewer which will cover my needs perfectly - Tom Caldwell, if you read this, thanks for the tip) and a tiltable lcd is really useful only for overhead landscape shooting.

On the other hand, so far I have never felt any limitations in my photography with the GM1, it has been with me even in places where even a PL5 would look unseemlily big, lack of focus peeking IS a dealbreaker for me, and as-small-as-possible size is - again for me - a definite advantage.

So, one-trick pony? Maybe, but what a trick!

And, anyway, what are the other tricks, and how often do you need to perform them?

[BTW - where in the Eurozone did you get such incredible bargains? PL5 for 225 eu and GM1 for 300 Eu!]
 
After having gotten great help from you recently and having bought a bargain E-PM1, I finally got convinced to get an E-PL5 to live up to my true photography potential ;-)

I managed to be able to get it for a great price (222€ new body). Now the last doubts are: how is the GM1 (price: 300€ new body) in comparison to the E-PL5? I do like to take videos as well as stills, but not on a professional level.
The 2-axis IBIS seems to be a great advantage (and upgrade from the E-PM1) and the tilt screen is exciting (lots of new unusual angles to explore).

Might it even be worth waiting for a GM5 and maybe spend a lot of money? The E-PL7 doesn't seem to be such a major upgrade, except 3 axis IBIS, focus peaking and some minor features.

My major limitation at the moment is price, though.
What do you think? Should I shoot the E-PL5 or wait?
When I read Robin Wong's review of the new PL7, there were two things that stood out. First, he used to be a construction engineer by day and a mostly amateur photographer and Olympus fanatic on nights and weekends. Now he's working for Olympus and his reviews have an entirely different tone. Second, the biggest thing he kept touting about the new PL7 was the LCD could be flipped all the way up or down to take selfies. So I was surprised when I read his review of the PL5 last night and discovered the PL5's LCD has the selfi feature; mentioned, almost in passing, a couple of times. Amazing how being on the payroll can change one's outlook.

So the PL7 gets you a better LCD, 3-axis IS, WiFi, and the E-M10's sensor and processor. If you can't live without any of this stuff than save up for the PL7 or if non-stop selfies are not all you dream of, the E-M10. If you can live without all of this stuff, than get the PL5, enjoy a great camera, and start saving for the PL8 or PL9.
 
...I read Robin Wong's review of the new PL7...I was surprised when I read his review of the PL5 last night and discovered the PL5's LCD has the selfi feature; mentioned, almost in passing, a couple of times.
 
Hey friends,

thanks for your help. I finally decided to go for the E-PL5 for cheaper price, mechanical shutter (the 1/500 of the GM1 seems like a limitation to me) and familiarity with the Oly menu.

Someone asked how I got these prices, I just checked on ebay Germany. Observed auctions for E-PL5 for weeks and finally got one for 222€ new body, and some shops sell a new GM1 body there for 300€.

Cheers and happy shooting!
 
After having gotten great help from you recently and having bought a bargain E-PM1, I finally got convinced to get an E-PL5 to live up to my true photography potential ;-)

I managed to be able to get it for a great price (222€ new body). Now the last doubts are: how is the GM1 (price: 300€ new body) in comparison to the E-PL5? I do like to take videos as well as stills, but not on a professional level.
The GM1 is sort of a one-trick pony, there's no way to add a viewfinder if you discover you want one and no way to add an external flash if you discover you want one of those. When it came out with the 12-32mm zoom, it was of course touted as the smallest ILC mirrorless camera you could get. Panasonic promised a whole line of lenses just for the GM1; have you seen any? It's great to use with the little zoom or one of Panasonic's other pancake lenses; just stick it in your pocket and go. But, you can probably do the same thing with your E-PM1 and a small Olympus lens.
I don't know the E-PL5 but I don't think the GM1 (which I do have) is a one-trick pony and have not found that its size limits the lenses I can use on it. There seems a general acceptance that because the GM1 is small enough that some might fit a pancake lens on it and manage to stuff it in a pocket then by definition it is a pocket camera, somewhat lacking in capability, and only suitable with the sort of lenses that will allow it to be pocketed. That self-limits what is in reality a full bore 4/3 camera stripped of user conveniences to make it that small but powerful enough to carry any lens that an owner dares to throw at it. Not something that every camera user might choose to do but the camera need not be classified as pocket-camera only simply because of that.
The 2-axis IBIS seems to be a great advantage (and upgrade from the E-PM1) and the tilt screen is exciting (lots of new unusual angles to explore).
The E-PL5 is close to an E-M5 without the EVF and size. You have a nice capable camera there to grow your digital photography with. If you're convinced you want one, get it. Don't let this weeks new releases sway you, next week there will be the next GM1, or EM-5 or whatever to drive us all nuts.
Might it even be worth waiting for a GM5 and maybe spend a lot of money? The E-PL7 doesn't seem to be such a major upgrade, except 3 axis IBIS, focus peaking and some minor features.
The E-PL7 is pretty much of a clone of my E-M10, without the EVF and with an LCD that flips up far enough for selfies. For $100 more or the Euro equivalent, I'd go for the E-M10 unless you can't live without the selfie feature.
My major limitation at the moment is price, though.
What do you think? Should I shoot the E-PL5 or wait?
The camera companies would get you to upgrade every six months it they could. The car companies used to be like that until cars started costing more than houses.
 
bs1946 wrote:
The GM1 is sort of a one-trick pony, there's no way to add a viewfinder if you discover you want one and no way to add an external flash if you discover you want one of those. When it came out with the 12-32mm zoom, it was of course touted as the smallest ILC mirrorless camera you could get. Panasonic promised a whole line of lenses just for the GM1; have you seen any? It's great to use with the little zoom or one of Panasonic's other pancake lenses; just stick it in your pocket and go. But, you can probably do the same thing with your E-PM1 and a small Olympus lens.
"One-trick pony"!!!!!!!!--haven't heard that old standard expression in quite a while--and how true it is. The GM1 is basically a back-up camera or a camera for someone who likes to shoot from the screen exclusively. Honestly I thought about buying it before I bought my E-PM2 but the lack of a viewfinder option scotched it for me. It even lacks a cold shoe for ocular finders, i.e. it is less well equipped than the old E-P1. Panasonic . . .
In Australia currently the E-P5 price is falling fast and that could be appealing if making a choice now, better 5 axis stabilisation, 0 second anti-shock to help prevent shutter shock blur, 1/8000 shutter, pop-up flash so flash and optional viewfinder can be used together.

At my usual Sydney store the E-P5 body price has now just fallen $10 below the E-PL5 body price, though I could get the E-PL5 cheaper elsewhere. http://www.digidirect.com.au/slr_cameras/olympus

Regards..... Guy
Guy Parsons recognises a deal when he sees one. I just bought the E-P5; a lot of camera for less money than the new E-PL7! Ok . . . it would be much better with a built-in viewfinder; yes it SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT WITH THE BUILT-IN FINDER . . . BUT the fact remains that it has the auxiliary finder . . . so no real problem. Can't wait to get my hands on mine.
The PL5 has exactly two advantages over the GM1: a (very basic) IBIS, which will expand a bit the usable shutter speed range of your non-stabilized primes (good for low light photography!) and a second mechanical curtain (the main advantage here is higher shutter speed for fill-in flash photography, otherwise the limitations are marginal, at least for me; I shoot with available light only). If these are deal-breakers, go for the PL5; but otherwise I would go for the GM1, because, as far as I am concerned, the rest of the Olympus advantages is totally insignificant: the old Olympus evfs that can be used with the PL5 are nothing to write home about (I have tried them and did not like them; I have experimented with an ordinary magnifying glass and now I plan to get a Clearviewer which will cover my needs perfectly - Tom Caldwell, if you read this, thanks for the tip) and a tiltable lcd is really useful only for overhead landscape shooting.

On the other hand, so far I have never felt any limitations in my photography with the GM1, it has been with me even in places where even a PL5 would look unseemlily big, lack of focus peeking IS a dealbreaker for me, and as-small-as-possible size is - again for me - a definite advantage.

So, one-trick pony? Maybe, but what a trick!

And, anyway, what are the other tricks, and how often do you need to perform them?

[BTW - where in the Eurozone did you get such incredible bargains? PL5 for 225 eu and GM1 for 300 Eu!]
Grin - thanks - and for those who have missed it - here is how the One Trick GM1 handles a big lens with style:



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... perhaps something new on the VEfinder front in time - meanwhile the GM1 is up to quite a few thousand clicks with the Nocticron and loving every moment of it. So who needs a hot shoe on top?

Big lens - unbalanced? Support the lens in your left hand and the right hand works the camera (does anyone use any big lens with a single handed grip?) - eye to VEfinder (or Clearviewer) and spot focus and it is as good as an evf. Want to "go light" or the extra finder is not necessary? - simply click it off and store it in a pocket.

But some like a big camera body with a meaty grip - ok by me as I am not trying to dictate camera-use fashions - just showing how a tiny camera might be made cope if put to the test.

Pocketable with a Nocticron - well we all need a laugh ... ;)

But the combination takes great images.

--
Tom Caldwell
 
Hey friends,

thanks for your help. I finally decided to go for the E-PL5 for cheaper price, mechanical shutter (the 1/500 of the GM1 seems like a limitation to me) and familiarity with the Oly menu.

Someone asked how I got these prices, I just checked on ebay Germany. Observed auctions for E-PL5 for weeks and finally got one for 222€ new body, and some shops sell a new GM1 body there for 300€.

Cheers and happy shooting!
Good choice. Said by someone with 2 x E-PL5. :-D

My Menus notes may help with getting started on the E-PL5 http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~parsog/olyepl1/50-epl5-comments.html#menus otherwise start reading at the top of that same page. My links page for finding stuff is at http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~parsog/olyepl1/03-epl1-links.html

My only real long term complaint about the E-PL5 is that the Mode dial is very easy to bump off position, so it needs to be watched. My comparison was coming from an E-PL1 where the dial was nicely firm and never able to be accidentally bumped.

Regards.... Guy
 
on the EPL5

I sold mine after getting the EP5

Looking forward to acquire the EPL7

Cheers ;-)
 

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