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AJSAUco said:
RAID is not a backup.

Backup is at least two copies with one of those being offline and not in the same physical location.

HDD's are cheap.
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I'm not sure why you posted about RAID under the post branch about the new 10Tb? The new 10Tb hard drive in the link is a single disk. It's interesting in that it is helium filled and has a new way of writing to disk, as well as for its 10Tb capacity. The fact that to get to this density, that the drive is meant more for write once read many, also means that single traditional 3.5 inch drives have probably reached their limits on size with this.

It will probably be SSD that keeps increasing in capacity from this point, but it will be interesting to see if they can grow to a likewise capacity in the same 3.5 size format. There is nothing that stops drive manufacturers from going to 5 inch drives again to be able to increase single drive capacity, either hard drive or SSD, but that might not be where things go in the consumer space, if cloud storage becomes more the norm.

To provide that capacity in the cloud though, drives might need to grow physically larger. I could also see a single SSD drive the size of a 4U server being something that happens for the enterprise. Just a bunch of memory chips in a big box with a little bit of electronics for control and a couple of small power supplies. When you have a relay rack to mount in, you have more options about size.

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viking79 said:
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Petroglyph said:
45MP FF Sony sensor by January. Yikes.
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Yikes...

My 16mpx K5 easily prints to 50x70cm (about 20x30 inches), and will pass "fine detail" inspection from a foot away from the paper.

So i guess FF will be for printing the entire wall...?

My biggest problem is already storage, and more specifically, backup space.....
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Exactly, seems more like medium format competitor for professionals. Processing A7R photos is already painful enough on my 2 year old computer.

I suppose it is just how things go, I imagine somewhere on the order of 100 to 400 MP would be reasonable for Full Frame still, given diffraction limits.

We need a breakthrough in storage technology such that we basically have unlimited storage for minimal cost.

Eric
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Good god, have some sense of proportion. Storage space is incredibly cheap and abundant nowadays -- if there's one thing we've been blessed with to an almost ridiculously excessive degree, it's storage. I've got a whole one-terabyte drive lying around unused because there's no place to fit it in among the multi-terabyte drives, and all of them together cost less than a typical lens.
 
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fotobert said:
That makes 5500 * 8.200 px

We need bigger monitors for PP

Albert
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How long before we will have 27 inch retina screens, which would bring a horizontal resolution of 6000px within reach? Where does it end?

Chris
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It can't end. The entire marketing scheme depends on "new and improved" to get people to buy new stuff.

The numbers game is a bit deceptive though. Ten years ago we had 6 megapixels, now we have 24. Thats a whopping doubling in resolution.
 
miles green said:
Petroglyph said:
45MP FF Sony sensor by January. Yikes.
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Yikes...

My 16mpx K5 easily prints to 50x70cm (about 20x30 inches), and will pass "fine detail" inspection from a foot away from the paper.

So i guess FF will be for printing the entire wall...?

My biggest problem is already storage, and more specifically, backup space.....

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Cropping.
 
Anastigmat said:
Cropping.
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Cropping is for people who can't frame right in the first place. Also more megapixels = smaller sensels = more noise and less dynamic range.
 
viking79 said:
Nice, so it would be a good backup hard drive.
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Online backup is incredibly cheap. It's actually $4 a month on crashplan site, for unlimited harddrive space.
 
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kh1234567890 said:
Anastigmat said:
Cropping.
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Cropping is for people who can't frame right in the first place. Also more megapixels
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Absolutely not, it's for people who don't always want to carry every FL under the sun wherever they go, when their intended output doesn't require 300DPI at A2 or larger.

When I hear "cropping is for people who can't frame/compose" it makes me wonder about all the pro and fine-art photogs who crop constantly, who use it as a tool. And it makes me suspect the person offering the comment is not, in the end, a very adept tool user. As in, "36MP?! How could anyone possibly use that for anything?!" Lack of imagination and adaptive ability will always be with us, I guess.

It also reminds me of a comment I saw in a Usenet forum when I was a wee lad: "Anyone who needs more than a 40MB hard drive just can't manage their files well."

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moving_comfort said:
kh1234567890 said:
Anastigmat said:
Cropping.
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Cropping is for people who can't frame right in the first place. Also more megapixels
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Absolutely not, it's for people who don't always want to carry every FL under the sun wherever they go, when their intended output doesn't require 300DPI at A2 or larger.

When I hear "cropping is for people who can't frame/compose" it makes me wonder about all the pro and fine-art photogs who crop constantly, who use it as a tool. And it makes me suspect the person offering the comment is not, in the end, a very adept tool user. As in, "36MP?! How could anyone possibly use that for anything?!" Lack of imagination and adaptive ability will always be with us, I guess.

It also reminds me of a comment I saw in a Usenet forum when I was a wee lad: "Anyone who needs more than a 40MB hard drive just can't manage their files well."

;)
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OK, I'll come clean. I lack imagination and I am not an adept and a tool. I just take pictures.
 
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paulkienitz said:
Petroglyph said:
45MP FF Sony sensor by January. Yikes.
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Only makes sense to bring the FF to a level similar to the 24mp APS sensors.
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I guess you meant pixel density but not at IQ level when compared to 24mp APS-C. Whatever 45mp or 54mp, it will be closer to MF sensor in 645z. The difference is similar to between Canon FF and 1.3x crop if based on the same generation sensors and close amount of pixels.
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If they can keep the image quality when bumping the MP, the advantage to me is not in larger prints, but rather in virtual zoom by cropping. I heavily crop wildlife pix, so quality MP are very useful. For those wanting smaller files, perhaps an in-camera reduced MP setting would avoid unnecessary processing/storage problems.
 
I have created two 20 x 30 in prints from my *istDs. They both pass the up close test. You should be able to go much higher than that.
 
viking79 said:
Here is my issue. Lets say I have 1 TB of photos to store. No big deal, have to store some factor more than that at my home, anywhere from 2 TB for a mirrored configuration or a bit less for some other methods of RAID, and ideally should store them on the cloud too.

Eric
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Doh! My babies new I was talking smack about them and one of my drives failed today. Thankfully it is RAID 1 - Mirrored :) Of course it is my drive with 50,000 photos on it or so...

I have another backup of it, but going to try one of the online services too. What do people think about backblaze or crashplan?

I hadn't realized you can get unlimited backup for $5 a month. That is doable for me (like $100 in 2 years, same as a replacement 2 TB HDD).

Eric
 
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ozdean said:
MP race is getting ridiculous IMO, I'd rather have iso and dynamic range any day.

How many here are printing larger than Poster size?
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Futax said:
High pixel counts and low noise don't have to be mutually exclusive, when you consider the pixel-binning that goes on when you downsample an image (for print or display).
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Downsampling a gamma corrected image will not average out noise.
 
Dave Luttmann said:
Crammed into a 35mm sensor...no thanks. I'll stick with MF.
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If there are people who can judge the difference between a high resolution FF vs MF in real world implementation, you are certainly one of those.--
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