yup. DNG carries along the edits that used to be stored in a separate XML file. The sliders will be in the same positions from the last time the file was edited.
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Six months later, how have people adapted to a cloud-based Photoshop?
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Jay Turberville
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Maybe not the best thing, but certainly something I value.
knickerhawk
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Ok, that's a fair point that Corel also offers a rental option.
You were fine right up to the last sentence. Why the need for so much exaggeration and hyperbole about a product you've never used and never intend to use? If you're happy with Corel options, pricing, functionality and confident about its longevity, then the "problems" we poor Adobe "hostages" face should be of no concern to you.
And don't delude yourself about the respective motivations and drivers for these two companies. Adobe is a publicly held company and is answerable to a wide range of institutional and personal shareholders. Yes, these shareholders make demands and expect performance from management, but I'm confident that the shareholder pressures that Adobe experiences is nothing compared to what Corel deals with, considering the fact that Corel is 100% owned by a single private equity firm. Last time I looked, private equity firms like Vector Capital weren't exactly the Mother Theresas of the financial world.
Jestertheclown
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You can open it but any editing that's been carried out and is perculiar to CC or CC2014 will be lost.
Yep! At the moment you can. CS6 is still available.
If you mean a trial of CC2014, then yes, that would work, provided you then saved your "hostages" in another format.
If you nean a trial of CS6; which I don't think you do, then I know where to go to buy a copy, although I rather suspect that Adobe would prefer that I didn't but I've no idea where you might find a trial version.
I believe so. Not sure how well that might work though.
I'm not sure that any of us "hate" Adobe. There's just a considerable amouint of bad feeling caused by the way in which this rental thing has been feisted upon us.
I reckon people would be a lot more likely to take up the rental offer if Adobe had been open about their pricing structure from the beginning.
Even now they're refusing to give even a hint of what the cost of the rental might be when subscriptions begin to expire.
"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"
It is truth, not exaggeration
I have used Adobe products. I used Photoshop 7, Elements 8, Elements 10 which all were bundled with video card, printer, ect. I had a cracked version of CS5 which I tried out because at that time I was deciding whether or not to continue with corel or go Adobe. I went with Corel and got rid of all Adobe stuff. (I still have Elements 10 because sometimes I will take a photoshop class to learn and take what I learned an apply it to corel. I also own my software, I don't used cracked versions or rental version.)
I agree, I have said several times, I am not worried and I have said many times.. I don't care and I don't think other have either. I was only replying to the OP and his original question.
"I can't find any discussions online by photographers, six months later, about what software they've
used to replace Photoshop, if they did. CaptureOne? Lightroom? Dxo? Gimp?"
I don't know and don't care. Again, I was replying to his questions. Some people have taken me down a rat hole and we have discussed the issues. If Adobe would not have went to the rental model, I may have moved to photoshop. It is more standard and more people know it and teach it. That is a big advantage for me as I attend free classes, meetup.com classes.
But plain and simple, they charge to much and only rent
Gerry Winterbourne
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It is not true. I'd go further than calling it exaggeration and say it's so far from true that it's utterly wrong. First, nobody is "robbing" anyone. Adobe is providing a service (that is, assuming you take up the offer) for which you pay. Unless you regard paying for anything as robbery your assertion is nonsense.
With CC the service is renting something to you. That something is an image editor (among many other things). If you have images and don't edit them you don't actually need the service. If you want to edit them and then end the service you keep both the original images and the finished edits. You also keep any intermediate work, such as PSDs.
If you choose to keep intermediates it's just that: it's your choice. If a woodworker rents a lathe and hands it back before he's finished an article it's his choice. Just because he can't finish it on that lather doesn't mean the lathe renter is holding him to ransom.
He could use a different lathe; there are non-Adobe programs that rad and edit PSDs. There might be problems in the transition between the two lathes; there might be problems in the transition between editing programs. But in neither case is that the fault or responsibility of the rental provider.
Although it's not directly related to the things discussed here I wonder why you bother to keep PSDs anyway. We all have our own work flows; whenever I go back to my old images to rework them I start from scratch with the original raw file. Perhaps that's because I use a system that's so slick I don't need to dive into old intermediates.
Er, the product under discussion is CS CC. So, as knickerhawk says, you've never used and never intend to use [it].
But the OP was asking about replacements for PS since the move to CC. As you made your move long before that you haven't really answered his question.
Jay Turberville
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Yep. No hate. But Adobe has annoyed me with various other things over the years and this is yet another annoyance. But to be fair to Adobe, their DNG converter seems to offer a path that will allow me to use software made by their competitors that does not support my current GH4 camera. A quick investigation shows Corel and ACDSee currently do not support the GH4 - which is rather bad support given how long that camera has been out and how generally popular (I think?) it is. ACDSee also can't assure me that they will support it in the future ... though they believe they will. Adobe's DNG converter, while not a perfect solution, does provide a good one at no cost to me.
So, with all the negativity, I figure I'll just toss out there what I'd want from Adobe as a user. First, I understand that I will need to be paying a premium for their products and that in itself may stop me from purchasing for personal, non-business use. Right now they offer the Lightroom/Photoshop bundle for rent for $120 /year. I'd consider a price of between $300-$400 to be a reasonable equivalent for a non-terminating license that also had one year of raw format updates and/or minor "dot" upgrades and bug fixes. After about a year I'd have no problem with the software being frozen.
Of course, it is Adobe's prerogative not to offer such a deal. But it is the high price of their software and the absence of that kind of option that has me definitely looking at alternatives. $120 isn't really cheap when I look down the road a few years. And it might be more expensive than that in the future. It just seems cheap because you are only out of pocket $10 at the outset (actually $0 if you use the free trial).
gollywop
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Good jobs Gerry and Knickerhawk, but you were beating your heads against a very dense brick wall. 
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