V1 + FT1 + fast lenses: disappointing...

The 50/1.4G is certainly an excellent lens, both on the V1 and on every other camera I have used it on so far, the problem of using it on the Nikon 1 with the FT1 is that the FT1 may disturb the bokeh, which is also pointed out by Nikon.
Is it perhaps possible to remove some of the disturbing plastic (though it probably helps improve contrast in some other conditions)?
I don't know, never tried it. Once I wanted to open mine, but after unscrewing the second bayonet screw I gave up because the third was far too tight and I didn't want to destroy it. Nikon probably glued the screws, there were traces of loctite on the first two screws also.
 
André,

I found a few more pics that clearly shows the difference in sharpness. Also interesting to compare the bokeh.

These pictures were converted from RAW to JPEG in ViewNX2. No sharpning or postprocesssing applied. This is what you get out of the camera...

Wide open at f/1,4

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At f/7

079f14e9107b440abdfed894d5bfd30f.jpg

I think that the softer results are not cause by the FT, it's just normal that images become softer wide open.

Another sample shows you how sharp this lens can be in good light. This is again without any sharpning. I took similar pics with the 18,5 mm and the 32mm and they were not sharper than the 50 mm 1,4 G. Only the summicron was slightly sharper.

72247e463b1940308d62257692bbc01e.jpg

Kind Regards

Eric
Hi Eric, all three images in your latest post look great!

One thing, the first image show f/1.8 in the EXIF. Did you accidentally insert the wrong image - I guess you did a number at different apertures? Or is the EXIF incorrect?

The 50mm f/1.4 certainly looks like a great companion to the FT-1, whatever the limitations in bokeh might be at the widest apertures.

--
DaveR
 
André,

I found a few more pics that clearly shows the difference in sharpness. Also interesting to compare the bokeh.

These pictures were converted from RAW to JPEG in ViewNX2. No sharpning or postprocesssing applied. This is what you get out of the camera...

Wide open at f/1,4

8a51ddfed1814e6ba7e5ce9777bb1424.jpg

At f/7

079f14e9107b440abdfed894d5bfd30f.jpg

I think that the softer results are not cause by the FT, it's just normal that images become softer wide open.

Another sample shows you how sharp this lens can be in good light. This is again without any sharpning. I took similar pics with the 18,5 mm and the 32mm and they were not sharper than the 50 mm 1,4 G. Only the summicron was slightly sharper.

72247e463b1940308d62257692bbc01e.jpg

Kind Regards

Eric
Hi Eric, all three images in your latest post look great!

One thing, the first image show f/1.8 in the EXIF. Did you accidentally insert the wrong image - I guess you did a number at different apertures? Or is the EXIF incorrect?

The 50mm f/1.4 certainly looks like a great companion to the FT-1, whatever the limitations in bokeh might be at the widest apertures.

--
DaveR
Thanks Dave, sorry for the confusion ! My mistake, I posted the wrong coca cola picture, taken at f/1.8 !

At f/1,4 the lens becomes softer, but still very usable if you apply some sharpning .

A few at f/1.4 :

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edc08996ab3e4cd48cb7f655e3ecc370.jpg


and much sharper again at f/6.3



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André, I think you should consider the 32 mm. It's an amazing lens, it's not only good for portraits, very nice for landscapes as well.


Eric
 
The 35/1.8 DX has considerably less CA than the 35/2 FX or other 35mm lenses, in fact, the DX lens has very little CA. At lest that's my experience with it, after having tested a few when I bought my D300s some years ago. I sold that lens, so I can't have a new look at it, but I fin't it strange that you see a lot of CA when your lens is used on the V1. The FT1 does not add CA, that comes from the lens. Perhaps there is something wrong with your lens in this regard.
Yes, maybe my copy is a lemon. I don't know. I've not seen many people complaining about this lens. So maybe I've got a bad copy.
Wide aperture and FT1 is a different thing. The FT1 isn't really optimal for fast lenses, in fact, Nikon warns for the bokeh degradation.

"The tops and bottoms may be missing from circular bokeh shapes created at wide apertures using lenses with a maximum aperture of f/1.4 or f/1.2."

So, I am affraid there is no free lunch, if you feel you need nice bokeh and the best possible results then you have to buy the lenses made for the camera. The FT1 in my opinion is only a good solution if you only occasionally use a lens. For regular use, I think I'd go for the 32/1.2.
I'd use the lens only occasionally. So, I won't buy the 32/1.2. Bokeh is not that important, as I'd like to use this lens for concerts.
Another alternative may be the Russian chipped adapter for manual lenses. You lose AF, but you can use the AF assist dot and the arrows and it does not degrade the bokeh because it is just a circular tube, so nothing is blocking the light before it enters the camera body, unlike in the case of FT1. I have no idea why Nikon designed so stupidly. If it at least had an AF motor inside it then I'd understand the need for space, but as it is, they should have designed with more care.

BTW, my 50/1.4G works fine with the FT1, much better than the 35/1.8DX. It has also faster and quieter AF motor and it feels as it runs smoother also. My lens works nicely on both the D800 and the V1, and it also worked well on the D300s.
Glad to hear. The samples posted by Eric look fine to me, which confirms your findings.
My issue with the FT1 is the shape of it. It makes very uncomfortable to hold, so I prefer not to use it unless I use tripod. Stopping down the lens improves it of course, like every other lens, it performs better stopped down, but there is really nothing wrong in using it wide open. Of course, one major reason in using fast lenses is to get narrower DOF, so if you stop down to f-numbers which are equal to the 30-110 f-numbers at 50mm then it kind of invalidates the purpose of using the FT1 and the 50/1.4.
Exactly. That was the purpose of this thread.
My advice is to take the camera to a shop which has the 50/1.4G and try it out.
Ah ! You're a lucky man. Here, you can't do that...

Thanks for all the info.
 
André,

I found a few more pics that clearly shows the difference in sharpness. Also interesting to compare the bokeh.

These pictures were converted from RAW to JPEG in ViewNX2. No sharpning or postprocesssing applied. This is what you get out of the camera...

Wide open at f/1,4

8a51ddfed1814e6ba7e5ce9777bb1424.jpg

At f/7

079f14e9107b440abdfed894d5bfd30f.jpg

I think that the softer results are not cause by the FT, it's just normal that images become softer wide open.

Another sample shows you how sharp this lens can be in good light. This is again without any sharpning. I took similar pics with the 18,5 mm and the 32mm and they were not sharper than the 50 mm 1,4 G. Only the summicron was slightly sharper.

72247e463b1940308d62257692bbc01e.jpg

Kind Regards

Eric
Hi Eric, all three images in your latest post look great!

One thing, the first image show f/1.8 in the EXIF. Did you accidentally insert the wrong image - I guess you did a number at different apertures? Or is the EXIF incorrect?

The 50mm f/1.4 certainly looks like a great companion to the FT-1, whatever the limitations in bokeh might be at the widest apertures.

--
DaveR
Thanks Dave, sorry for the confusion ! My mistake, I posted the wrong coca cola picture, taken at f/1.8 !

At f/1,4 the lens becomes softer, but still very usable if you apply some sharpning .

A few at f/1.4 :

0448ca5798f446c8890ba3f9982948e1.jpg

edc08996ab3e4cd48cb7f655e3ecc370.jpg

and much sharper again at f/6.3

2b46925fac594dff92be474d28d8a85c.jpg

André, I think you should consider the 32 mm. It's an amazing lens, it's not only good for portraits, very nice for landscapes as well.

Eric
Thanks a lot Eric. These pictures look fine to me. I think that for the price the 50/1.4 gives perfectly acceptable results, even wide open.

The 32 is probably better, and allows to use the full AF capabilities of the V1, but it's twice the price of the 50/1.4. hard to justify for shooting concerts just for fun...

--
André
 
The 35/1.8 DX has considerably less CA than the 35/2 FX or other 35mm lenses, in fact, the DX lens has very little CA. At lest that's my experience with it, after having tested a few when I bought my D300s some years ago. I sold that lens, so I can't have a new look at it, but I fin't it strange that you see a lot of CA when your lens is used on the V1. The FT1 does not add CA, that comes from the lens. Perhaps there is something wrong with your lens in this regard.
Yes, maybe my copy is a lemon. I don't know. I've not seen many people complaining about this lens. So maybe I've got a bad copy.
The thing which I definitely hated in the 35/1.8 DX lens was that EXTREMELY noisy and slow AF motor. IQ wise it was fine, and CA wise it was definitely the best of the three alternatives I looked at back in 2009 when I bought it. The lens received a lot of praise on the DX forum, and I would not go that far, but in my opinion it was a good lens on the D300s, though I used the 50/1.4 more and in my opinion that lens is a totally different class.
Wide aperture and FT1 is a different thing. The FT1 isn't really optimal for fast lenses, in fact, Nikon warns for the bokeh degradation.

"The tops and bottoms may be missing from circular bokeh shapes created at wide apertures using lenses with a maximum aperture of f/1.4 or f/1.2."

So, I am affraid there is no free lunch, if you feel you need nice bokeh and the best possible results then you have to buy the lenses made for the camera. The FT1 in my opinion is only a good solution if you only occasionally use a lens. For regular use, I think I'd go for the 32/1.2.
I'd use the lens only occasionally. So, I won't buy the 32/1.2. Bokeh is not that important, as I'd like to use this lens for concerts.
In that case the 50/1.4 is a good choice, though you must be aware of a few more things. The bokeh isn't really something to worry about since in most situations you will not see the negative effects of the FT1 on it. I mean, the background must really be special to see the effects Nikon is warning for and using the lens wide open, or wider than f/3.5 which is the widest you can get with the 30-110, is really not an issue. It is a great lens in my opinion, even on the V1 with the FT1. But...

Last night I did a quick test with it and that confirmed my previous experience. While there is nothing wrong with the detail, even at f/1.4, one thing which isn't that optimal, and that is the focus hunting I get in low light, low contrast situation. The EVF/LCD is of course brighter than it is with the 30-110, but I have the feeling that there is also less hunting with the lens. I don't know why that is, using the 50/1.4 on the D800 in the same situation does not result in hunting at all, but OK, that is a totally different camera. Never the less, I think you have to be aware of this, especially if you are planning to use it on concerts. I am not sure it really have an advantage over the 30-110 there, since even though the 50 is much faster, the VR of the 30-110 compensates for the lens speed loss very well and being a zoom it offers more flexibility concerning composition and focal length. Also the ability to select more than one AF area is a big plus for the 30-110, as well as the size. The 50/1.4G isn't really a cheap lens in my opinion and personally I would not buy it for the Nikon 1, especially if it is only for occasional use and not also used on a DX/FX body as well.
Another alternative may be the Russian chipped adapter for manual lenses. You lose AF, but you can use the AF assist dot and the arrows and it does not degrade the bokeh because it is just a circular tube, so nothing is blocking the light before it enters the camera body, unlike in the case of FT1. I have no idea why Nikon designed so stupidly. If it at least had an AF motor inside it then I'd understand the need for space, but as it is, they should have designed with more care.

BTW, my 50/1.4G works fine with the FT1, much better than the 35/1.8DX. It has also faster and quieter AF motor and it feels as it runs smoother also. My lens works nicely on both the D800 and the V1, and it also worked well on the D300s.
Glad to hear. The samples posted by Eric look fine to me, which confirms your findings.
My issue with the FT1 is the shape of it. It makes very uncomfortable to hold, so I prefer not to use it unless I use tripod. Stopping down the lens improves it of course, like every other lens, it performs better stopped down, but there is really nothing wrong in using it wide open. Of course, one major reason in using fast lenses is to get narrower DOF, so if you stop down to f-numbers which are equal to the 30-110 f-numbers at 50mm then it kind of invalidates the purpose of using the FT1 and the 50/1.4.
Exactly. That was the purpose of this thread.
My advice is to take the camera to a shop which has the 50/1.4G and try it out.
Ah ! You're a lucky man. Here, you can't do that...
I could help you out in Toulouse and Paris area, but not in Marseille. Have you tried Fnac and Darty?
Thanks for all the info.
Good luck.
 
The 35/1.8 DX has considerably less CA than the 35/2 FX or other 35mm lenses, in fact, the DX lens has very little CA. At lest that's my experience with it, after having tested a few when I bought my D300s some years ago. I sold that lens, so I can't have a new look at it, but I fin't it strange that you see a lot of CA when your lens is used on the V1. The FT1 does not add CA, that comes from the lens. Perhaps there is something wrong with your lens in this regard.
Yes, maybe my copy is a lemon. I don't know. I've not seen many people complaining about this lens. So maybe I've got a bad copy.
The thing which I definitely hated in the 35/1.8 DX lens was that EXTREMELY noisy and slow AF motor. IQ wise it was fine, and CA wise it was definitely the best of the three alternatives I looked at back in 2009 when I bought it. The lens received a lot of praise on the DX forum, and I would not go that far, but in my opinion it was a good lens on the D300s, though I used the 50/1.4 more and in my opinion that lens is a totally different class.
Wide aperture and FT1 is a different thing. The FT1 isn't really optimal for fast lenses, in fact, Nikon warns for the bokeh degradation.

"The tops and bottoms may be missing from circular bokeh shapes created at wide apertures using lenses with a maximum aperture of f/1.4 or f/1.2."

So, I am affraid there is no free lunch, if you feel you need nice bokeh and the best possible results then you have to buy the lenses made for the camera. The FT1 in my opinion is only a good solution if you only occasionally use a lens. For regular use, I think I'd go for the 32/1.2.
I'd use the lens only occasionally. So, I won't buy the 32/1.2. Bokeh is not that important, as I'd like to use this lens for concerts.
In that case the 50/1.4 is a good choice, though you must be aware of a few more things. The bokeh isn't really something to worry about since in most situations you will not see the negative effects of the FT1 on it. I mean, the background must really be special to see the effects Nikon is warning for and using the lens wide open, or wider than f/3.5 which is the widest you can get with the 30-110, is really not an issue. It is a great lens in my opinion, even on the V1 with the FT1. But...

Last night I did a quick test with it and that confirmed my previous experience. While there is nothing wrong with the detail, even at f/1.4, one thing which isn't that optimal, and that is the focus hunting I get in low light, low contrast situation. The EVF/LCD is of course brighter than it is with the 30-110, but I have the feeling that there is also less hunting with the lens. I don't know why that is, using the 50/1.4 on the D800 in the same situation does not result in hunting at all, but OK, that is a totally different camera. Never the less, I think you have to be aware of this, especially if you are planning to use it on concerts. I am not sure it really have an advantage over the 30-110 there, since even though the 50 is much faster, the VR of the 30-110 compensates for the lens speed loss very well and being a zoom it offers more flexibility concerning composition and focal length. Also the ability to select more than one AF area is a big plus for the 30-110, as well as the size. The 50/1.4G isn't really a cheap lens in my opinion and personally I would not buy it for the Nikon 1, especially if it is only for occasional use and not also used on a DX/FX body as well.
Another alternative may be the Russian chipped adapter for manual lenses. You lose AF, but you can use the AF assist dot and the arrows and it does not degrade the bokeh because it is just a circular tube, so nothing is blocking the light before it enters the camera body, unlike in the case of FT1. I have no idea why Nikon designed so stupidly. If it at least had an AF motor inside it then I'd understand the need for space, but as it is, they should have designed with more care.

BTW, my 50/1.4G works fine with the FT1, much better than the 35/1.8DX. It has also faster and quieter AF motor and it feels as it runs smoother also. My lens works nicely on both the D800 and the V1, and it also worked well on the D300s.
Glad to hear. The samples posted by Eric look fine to me, which confirms your findings.
My issue with the FT1 is the shape of it. It makes very uncomfortable to hold, so I prefer not to use it unless I use tripod. Stopping down the lens improves it of course, like every other lens, it performs better stopped down, but there is really nothing wrong in using it wide open. Of course, one major reason in using fast lenses is to get narrower DOF, so if you stop down to f-numbers which are equal to the 30-110 f-numbers at 50mm then it kind of invalidates the purpose of using the FT1 and the 50/1.4.
Exactly. That was the purpose of this thread.
My advice is to take the camera to a shop which has the 50/1.4G and try it out.
Ah ! You're a lucky man. Here, you can't do that...
I could help you out in Toulouse and Paris area, but not in Marseille. Have you tried Fnac and Darty?
Thanks for all the info.
Good luck.
Thank you very much for taking your time to write this very detailed and useful answer.
I appreciate it very much.

Fnac and Darty... I doubt you can bring your camera and ask a seller to fix a new lens on it to do some testing in the store. That's common in the US and Northern Europ, not here in France!

Regards
 
The 35/1.8 DX has considerably less CA than the 35/2 FX or other 35mm lenses, in fact, the DX lens has very little CA. At lest that's my experience with it, after having tested a few when I bought my D300s some years ago. I sold that lens, so I can't have a new look at it, but I fin't it strange that you see a lot of CA when your lens is used on the V1. The FT1 does not add CA, that comes from the lens. Perhaps there is something wrong with your lens in this regard.
Yes, maybe my copy is a lemon. I don't know. I've not seen many people complaining about this lens. So maybe I've got a bad copy.
The thing which I definitely hated in the 35/1.8 DX lens was that EXTREMELY noisy and slow AF motor. IQ wise it was fine, and CA wise it was definitely the best of the three alternatives I looked at back in 2009 when I bought it. The lens received a lot of praise on the DX forum, and I would not go that far, but in my opinion it was a good lens on the D300s, though I used the 50/1.4 more and in my opinion that lens is a totally different class.
Wide aperture and FT1 is a different thing. The FT1 isn't really optimal for fast lenses, in fact, Nikon warns for the bokeh degradation.

"The tops and bottoms may be missing from circular bokeh shapes created at wide apertures using lenses with a maximum aperture of f/1.4 or f/1.2."

So, I am affraid there is no free lunch, if you feel you need nice bokeh and the best possible results then you have to buy the lenses made for the camera. The FT1 in my opinion is only a good solution if you only occasionally use a lens. For regular use, I think I'd go for the 32/1.2.
I'd use the lens only occasionally. So, I won't buy the 32/1.2. Bokeh is not that important, as I'd like to use this lens for concerts.
In that case the 50/1.4 is a good choice, though you must be aware of a few more things. The bokeh isn't really something to worry about since in most situations you will not see the negative effects of the FT1 on it. I mean, the background must really be special to see the effects Nikon is warning for and using the lens wide open, or wider than f/3.5 which is the widest you can get with the 30-110, is really not an issue. It is a great lens in my opinion, even on the V1 with the FT1. But...

Last night I did a quick test with it and that confirmed my previous experience. While there is nothing wrong with the detail, even at f/1.4, one thing which isn't that optimal, and that is the focus hunting I get in low light, low contrast situation. The EVF/LCD is of course brighter than it is with the 30-110, but I have the feeling that there is also less hunting with the lens. I don't know why that is, using the 50/1.4 on the D800 in the same situation does not result in hunting at all, but OK, that is a totally different camera. Never the less, I think you have to be aware of this, especially if you are planning to use it on concerts. I am not sure it really have an advantage over the 30-110 there, since even though the 50 is much faster, the VR of the 30-110 compensates for the lens speed loss very well and being a zoom it offers more flexibility concerning composition and focal length. Also the ability to select more than one AF area is a big plus for the 30-110, as well as the size. The 50/1.4G isn't really a cheap lens in my opinion and personally I would not buy it for the Nikon 1, especially if it is only for occasional use and not also used on a DX/FX body as well.
Another alternative may be the Russian chipped adapter for manual lenses. You lose AF, but you can use the AF assist dot and the arrows and it does not degrade the bokeh because it is just a circular tube, so nothing is blocking the light before it enters the camera body, unlike in the case of FT1. I have no idea why Nikon designed so stupidly. If it at least had an AF motor inside it then I'd understand the need for space, but as it is, they should have designed with more care.

BTW, my 50/1.4G works fine with the FT1, much better than the 35/1.8DX. It has also faster and quieter AF motor and it feels as it runs smoother also. My lens works nicely on both the D800 and the V1, and it also worked well on the D300s.
Glad to hear. The samples posted by Eric look fine to me, which confirms your findings.
My issue with the FT1 is the shape of it. It makes very uncomfortable to hold, so I prefer not to use it unless I use tripod. Stopping down the lens improves it of course, like every other lens, it performs better stopped down, but there is really nothing wrong in using it wide open. Of course, one major reason in using fast lenses is to get narrower DOF, so if you stop down to f-numbers which are equal to the 30-110 f-numbers at 50mm then it kind of invalidates the purpose of using the FT1 and the 50/1.4.
Exactly. That was the purpose of this thread.
My advice is to take the camera to a shop which has the 50/1.4G and try it out.
Ah ! You're a lucky man. Here, you can't do that...
I could help you out in Toulouse and Paris area, but not in Marseille. Have you tried Fnac and Darty?
Thanks for all the info.
Good luck.
Thank you very much for taking your time to write this very detailed and useful answer.
I appreciate it very much.

Fnac and Darty... I doubt you can bring your camera and ask a seller to fix a new lens on it to do some testing in the store. That's common in the US and Northern Europ, not here in France!
The seller just need to open the cabinet, unless it is already on open display. Of course, it is important not to do it without their presence, but that's all. It is important that you make sure he/she understands that you know what you are doing or talking about, because they very often don't know ANYTHING about cameras, especially not the more odd ones, like the V1 with the FT1.

I lived in Noisy Le Roi (Yvelines) and often visited Fnac at Parly 2, outside Versailles, but the people there were very service minded, even though my French wasn't exactly good. The problem is if they don't have it on stock, but I think if they have it on display and you come with the camera prepared it isn't a big issue and they'd let you try it on your camera. Of course, you may not be allowed to try it outside the shop, but inside, I don't see why not. I'd certainly try to convince them to let me try it under a few minutes, after all, that's why they have a demo unit. That would at least give you a chance to feel the lens on the camera. Anyway, worth a try, and the worst that can happen is that they say no, in which case there is nothing else you can do. My advise is to try to identify the more service minded seller before the "attack". Not the youngest, most inexperienced one who is mostly there for the salary and for a chance to be near the opposite sex only, but the more balanced, gear head looking kind of person, or one who is speaking to another customer with interest, and wait for your turn.
Cheers
 
My shop here is in southern Gothenburg, Sweden (actually in Mölndal - we locals who know some French call it 'Val de Moulins', as that's what its name means: the Valley of the Mills). This is a very accommodating place, when it comes to customer's whims. If they don't quite know you, they follow you outside, when you try a lens, while me, an old hand by now, can be gone as long as I want! I might be even allowed to borrow it overnight (haven't tried that one).

Even been allowed to test non-display items, but normally you're restricted to display items (they have a lot), but they have even got a lens, or two, from another of their shops, just for me to test out (amazing!).

Special orders are not treated that way, but that isn't a surprise to me.
 
did you say your 35mm DX was noisy? that's the first i've heard of it. Mine is on the same level as most of the other AF-S lenses i have, which to say are all pretty quiet... would definitely be a stretch to call it noisy..
 
did you say your 35mm DX was noisy? that's the first i've heard of it. Mine is on the same level as most of the other AF-S lenses i have, which to say are all pretty quiet... would definitely be a stretch to call it noisy..
Yes, the 35/1.8DX has slow and noisy AF motor. I tested more than one. Not that it is disturbing, but compared to all my other lenses I ever had, it is definitely slow and noisy. Perhaps the 16-85 was on the same level. All my FX lenses are considerably quieter, not to mention the CX lenses, which are practically noiseless.
 
My shop here is in southern Gothenburg, Sweden (actually in Mölndal - we locals who know some French call it 'Val de Moulins', as that's what its name means: the Valley of the Mills). This is a very accommodating place, when it comes to customer's whims. If they don't quite know you, they follow you outside, when you try a lens, while me, an old hand by now, can be gone as long as I want! I might be even allowed to borrow it overnight (haven't tried that one).

Even been allowed to test non-display items, but normally you're restricted to display items (they have a lot), but they have even got a lens, or two, from another of their shops, just for me to test out (amazing!).

Special orders are not treated that way, but that isn't a surprise to me.
The same experience I have both in France and here in Sweden, in the Lund and Malmö area.
 
did you say your 35mm DX was noisy? that's the first i've heard of it. Mine is on the same level as most of the other AF-S lenses i have, which to say are all pretty quiet... would definitely be a stretch to call it noisy..
Yes, the 35/1.8DX has slow and noisy AF motor. I tested more than one. Not that it is disturbing, but compared to all my other lenses I ever had, it is definitely slow and noisy. Perhaps the 16-85 was on the same level. All my FX lenses are considerably quieter, not to mention the CX lenses, which are practically noiseless.
yes, i guess its not as quiet as a CX lens, but to call it slow and noisy is quite a stretch from a average user's perspective.

i guess maybe you shoot in some very quiet environments...
 
did you say your 35mm DX was noisy? that's the first i've heard of it. Mine is on the same level as most of the other AF-S lenses i have, which to say are all pretty quiet... would definitely be a stretch to call it noisy..
Yes, the 35/1.8DX has slow and noisy AF motor. I tested more than one. Not that it is disturbing, but compared to all my other lenses I ever had, it is definitely slow and noisy. Perhaps the 16-85 was on the same level. All my FX lenses are considerably quieter, not to mention the CX lenses, which are practically noiseless.
yes, i guess its not as quiet as a CX lens, but to call it slow and noisy is quite a stretch from a average user's perspective.

i guess maybe you shoot in some very quiet environments...
Everything is relative. I compare it with other lenses I had on the D300s and the D800, and yes, it is noisy and slow. The only lens which is as noisy is the 16-85, but it is much faster. The CX lenses are at the extreme other end, they are as quiet as a tiny falling feather hitting the floor.

I can't speak from an "average user's perspective", only my own. I have not done any survey and have no clue about what an "average user's perspective" is, I am only representing myself.
 
I will likely never part with the dslr system, not until ml stabilizes. Nikon will eventually produce a good ML system, but it seems they really won't make the N1 that system. And there are no signs it'll happen soon

So, as Inhave already posted, I'm getting the new Leica compact, which will replace V1, it'll buy me a few years as the light kit. Likely I'll get a D750 next year, but re that I'll wait a bit for user reports. DX, like N1, looks in dead water.

best wishes, Renato
 
I will likely never part with the dslr system, not until ml stabilizes. Nikon will eventually produce a good ML system, but it seems they really won't make the N1 that system. And there are no signs it'll happen soon

So, as Inhave already posted, I'm getting the new Leica compact, which will replace V1, it'll buy me a few years as the light kit. Likely I'll get a D750 next year, but re that I'll wait a bit for user reports. DX, like N1, looks in dead water.

best wishes, Renato
 

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