7DII: Evolutionary, revolutionary or ??? Your thoughts

Pretty safe bet that the 7D II will be announced soon. But will it be evolutionary, revolutionary or something else?
The Canon 7D is now almost 5 years old. Sounds like a dead camera-line to me.
Maybe, maybe not. Given the amount of rumors floating around this time, I've no doubt Canon is releasing something. Whether it's a 7D successor or something else remains to be seen.
Make no mistake -- the 7D is a very good and competent camera. And the firmware upgrade a couple years back breathed new life into the beast.
Good yes, competent no.
My 7D is still very competent. You either 1) have a bad copy or 2) don't own one.
 
Given the number of times Canon reused the 7D sensor (like 6 different bodies?), I can't make myself belive a 7DII (if it ever meterializes) will have anything other than the 70D sensor. Which to me personally means evolutionary, from a still photo perspective. It may be revolutionary from a video and live view focus perspective, but it's a yawn for still photos. Minor evolutionary improvement.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the 70D sensor going Canon bodies for the next 4-6 years. It's just good business for Canon, as long as they can keep selling them. Except for a few of us gear heads, the average buying public doesn't really care much (unless it a cell phone, in which case they want the latest and greatest). I keep remembering how John Q. Public used to purchase "pet rocks"... Dynamic range and low noise? Don't know about that stuff. But can we open our garage door and check our car insurance with it?
 
A lot of hype and marketing as they always do but don't expectect anything jaw dropping. They should at least drop the AA filter and with that they will say they have a brand new sensor to increase hype and rapture of the images.
There has been no hype from Canon. They have said nothing about it. Why do they keep getting called for 'hype' when the only such thing is coming from overactive imaginations here?
The hype will come when the camera is announced, as always.
 
I think the new 7d will be a big let down for most, it will obviously have updates from the old version which is a great camera. The speculation has sent the expectations way too high. Canon have the 1, 5 and 6 d's why would they spec the new 7 above them and take away sales from those cameras. We will find out very soon, maybe!
 
I think the new 7d will be a big let down for most, it will obviously have updates from the old version which is a great camera. The speculation has sent the expectations way too high. Canon have the 1, 5 and 6 d's why would they spec the new 7 above them and take away sales from those cameras. We will find out very soon, maybe!
Well, it's not that the speculation sent expectations too high as much as some people's expectations are so high they would never be satisfied with a realistic camera. As far as the spec of the new 7D being higher than than the 1,5, & 6, you have to realize that a 7D is directed toward a different type user. The 7D is directed toward sports/wildlife shooters who want a high frame rate, fast AF, and the reach of a crop sensor. It will most certainly, with the exception of noise, out spec the 6D. For that matter, the current 7D does that. It's a slow camera that is designed to appeal to portrait/landscape photographers. The 1DX is aimed at the professional sports photographer and there is much more than AF and Frame Rate that would set it apart. If you can justify the cost of a 1DX, there's no way you would even consider a 7D2. The bottom line is that no matter how high spec the new 7D will be, it won't cut into sales from the other cameras as they are aimed at entirely different markets.
 
7D and the as-yet-unspecified 7D2 are aimed at amateurs and aspiring pros who shoot wildlife or sports action who can't justify buying a 1DX and the longest of the long lenses. I am a classic example: 60D user, birder, uses 400mm f/5.6L, doesn't have the ~10,000.00 500mm, 600mm, or 800mm Big White lenses. f/8 autofocus, improved autofocus, improved framerate, better weatherproofing are all reasons for me to buy a 7D2, and if I hadn't been expecting the 7D2 to be released soon, I would have bought a 7D classic already. I have a 6D for landscape and general non-action photography.
 
7D and the as-yet-unspecified 7D2 are aimed at amateurs and aspiring pros who shoot wildlife or sports action who can't justify buying a 1DX and the longest of the long lenses. I am a classic example: 60D user, birder, uses 400mm f/5.6L, doesn't have the ~10,000.00 500mm, 600mm, or 800mm Big White lenses. f/8 autofocus, improved autofocus, improved framerate, better weatherproofing are all reasons for me to buy a 7D2, and if I hadn't been expecting the 7D2 to be released soon, I would have bought a 7D classic already. I have a 6D for landscape and general non-action photography.
 
Well Bob...fact is about to show his face, in the new 7DmkII
 
Canon have the 1, 5 and 6 d's why would they spec the new 7 above them and take away sales from those cameras. We will find out very soon, maybe!
That theory comes up occasionally, especially for Nikon. The thing is, you could also say the 5DIII takes sales from the 1DX so why make it? I guess Canon decided that making both cameras makes more sense to them than making just one of them. I guess they feel the same about any camera they make, or else they don't make it.
 
Regardless of what it is, I'm wondering if each camera is marketed more ro "new" buyers" vs. "upgraders". Just as an example, how many owners of a 550D bought the 600D (or 650D... or 700D...) when it came out?

IMO if you have a 700D, 60D, or even a 7D, then buying a 5DIII is like a new camera, not an upgrade. I'm wondering if more pepole upgraded from a 5DII to a 5DIII than people buying the 5DIII from a significantly lower end camera. The same as people upgrading to the 5DII from a lower level camera at the time. Just as people were changing from APSC to FF when the 5DII (or 5D for that matter) was the current camera, same is happening when it's the 5DIII.

So if a 7DII comes out, even if it is "disappointing" to 7D owners as an upgrade, that is possibly a relatively small market for it. Who knows, maybe by far most buyers only have much more basic cameras, or those who want to buy new with warrenty, or add Canon's current best APSC camera for whatever reason, etc.

I don't know if any of that is true or not, but I can just guess what seems more likely. It looks like the focus here is pretty much only on the camera as a direct upgrade to the previous similar model.
 

According to this website, it will be a full frame! As usual, your logic may win out, Bob.
 
Yes points taken, perhaps the market can stand all types of cameras. Looking at some of you gear lists many people have 1, 5 and 7d's so that shows that each individual can support a number a cameras (budget permitting ) . It depends how serious you take your photography as to the amount you invest in it. If the upgrade of the 7d is as good as expected I will renew, but at the same time I will have to sell the old one to part fund it.
 
http://www.dojoklo.com/Full_Stop/Canon_7D_Mark_II_Experience.htm

According to this website, it will be a full frame! As usual, your logic may win out, Bob.

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I very much doubt it will be FF. Canon already has 3 FF series, and they've never changed sensor size in a direct replacement.
I doubt it too, but they did change the sensor size in the 1D series ... =)
1Dx was more of a continuation of the 1Ds, not the 1D.
Really - The last 1Ds was a 5FPS camera, as I remember. The clue is in the name, it isn't '1Dx', it's '1D X'.

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