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So I've got the kit with the 22mm and the 18-55. I've got the adapter and flashgun and so far it's cost me around £250. Great value!!!

So I'm now eying up the 11-22......which will cost me more than all the rest put together. I know it's a nice lens but it's kinda hard to justify.
 
Swervin Mervin said:
So I've got the kit with the 22mm and the 18-55. I've got the adapter and flashgun and so far it's cost me around £250. Great value!!!

So I'm now eying up the 11-22......which will cost me more than all the rest put together. I know it's a nice lens but it's kinda hard to justify.
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After an M buying spree it is hard to readjust to reality. (Unintentional poetry).

But both of the other lenses are still cheap by comparison, just not giddy-cheap the way the M is. OTOH the EF-S equivalents are less expensive. All of them are excellent lenses.
 
Swervin Mervin said:
So I've got the kit with the 22mm and the 18-55. I've got the adapter and flashgun and so far it's cost me around £250. Great value!!!

So I'm now eying up the 11-22......which will cost me more than all the rest put together. I know it's a nice lens but it's kinda hard to justify.
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It's a great lens and well-priced when compared with the competition. Look at it this way:

I had (and still have) a NEX 5N before buying the EOS M. I really wanted a WAZ for travel. The M+22mm+flash+11-22 cost me about as much as buying the Sony e-mount WAZ.

The range on the 11-22 is perfect for me. About as wide as I want to go but with a 35mm equiv at the long end for general purpose shooting makes it a great travel lens.
 
Swervin Mervin said:
So I've got the kit with the 22mm and the 18-55. I've got the adapter and flashgun and so far it's cost me around £250. Great value!!!

So I'm now eying up the 11-22......which will cost me more than all the rest put together. I know it's a nice lens but it's kinda hard to justify.
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You could get the EF to EF-M adapter and get a EF-s 10-18mm for $300. It's bulkier though, and perhaps not as sharp (not sure, haven't seen head to head tests).

Samyang 12/2 is another option.

I got the EOS-M as a sort of "poor man's Ricoh GR" and won't invest more into the system until I see Canon come out with something like an a6000 with touchscreen.
 
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Look up alternatives to what you got.

Not expensive in my book. The WA has IS also, nice for slow shutters and video.
 
Just be happy that you didn't pay the original price! You might find some other EF mount lenses used to try but that 11-22mm is a pretty sweet lens; very sharp and small in size to go with the small foot print of the M.
 
Swervin Mervin said:
So I've got the kit with the 22mm and the 18-55. I've got the adapter and flashgun and so far it's cost me around £250. Great value!!!

So I'm now eying up the 11-22......which will cost me more than all the rest put together. I know it's a nice lens but it's kinda hard to justify.
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It doesnt (stop). Look at what other mirrorless vendors offer. Sony E, Fuji X, Panasonic m43 and Samsung NX.

1. They offer 2/3-1 stop more light at max. FL (imo negligible on a UWA)

2. They offer more UWA. They usually start at 14-15mm equiv (The 11-22 starts at roughly 18mm equiv.). This can be a big deal depending on your usage

3. They are MUCH larger. (None of the above will easily fit into a coat pocket when attached to a body while the M + 11-22 does)

4. And consequently, they take much larger filters (a large thread quality ND can be fairly costly)

5. Optically, the 11-22 is on par with most of them, or actually a little better at the same FL/aperture.

6. Finally, they cost almost twice as much as the 11-22, partially even more

The only thing comparable in size and price is the Olympus UWA. It's not a bad lens but the 11-22 is noticeably better. If you still think this lens is expensive, interchangeable lens cameras might not be the right thing for you. There are many lenses out there that cost a lot more than the 11-22 which I'd still consider a good deal. The 11-22 is quite exceptional.
 
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Swervin Mervin said:
So I've got the kit with the 22mm and the 18-55. I've got the adapter and flashgun and so far it's cost me around £250. Great value!!!

So I'm now eying up the 11-22......which will cost me more than all the rest put together. I know it's a nice lens but it's kinda hard to justify.
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It doesnt (stop). Look at what other mirrorless vendors offer. Sony E, Fuji X, Panasonic m43 and Samsung NX.

1. They offer 2/3-1 stop more light at max. FL (imo negligible on a UWA)

2. They offer more UWA. They usually start at 14-15mm equiv (The 11-22 starts at roughly 18mm equiv.). This can be a big deal depending on your usage

3. They are MUCH larger. (None of the above will easily fit into a coat pocket when attached to a body while the M + 11-22 does)

4. And consequently, they take much larger filters (a large thread quality ND can be fairly costly)

5. Optically, the 11-22 is on par with most of them, or actually a little better at the same FL/aperture.

6. Finally, they cost almost twice as much as the 11-22, partially even more

The only thing comparable in size and price is the Olympus UWA. It's not a bad lens but the 11-22 is noticeably better. If you still think this lens is expensive, interchangeable lens cameras might not be the right thing for you. There are many lenses out there that cost a lot more than the 11-22 which I'd still consider a good deal. The 11-22 is quite exceptional.
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The 11-22 is inexpensive for an UWA zoom. Only the new EF-S 10-18 is less expensive.

The 55-200 is not inexpensive for a kit-level telezoom. The Olympus and Panasonic equivalents are far less expensive.
 
I love my 11-22, but I got it before the 10-18 was announced. My only complaint it is has a slow aperture. I'd take a 10/2 AF lens any time if they made one... One of the main reasons to get 11-22 is it has fairly low distortion and really good IS system. I'd wait until canon announces their future plans for the system.
 
axlastro said:
I love my 11-22, but I got it before the 10-18 was announced. My only complaint it is has a slow aperture. I'd take a 10/2 AF lens any time if they made one... One of the main reasons to get 11-22 is it has fairly low distortion and really good IS system. I'd wait until canon announces their future plans for the system.
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Autofocus on a 10mm lens? Is that really necessary? I suppose if you like taking closeups at f/2 or something, but even then it shouldn't be hard to manual focus fairly quickly.

Samyang 12/2. $400 MSRP. No AF, but comes with distance scale for easy hyperfocal.
 
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I've thought about it, but I already had purchased the 11-22. Yes, IS and AF are really useful for a UWA lens at least for me - I sometimes don't bring a tripod with me or the situation doesn't allow the use of a tripod. Other than that - I'm really tempted to sell my 11-22 and get the Samyang, but I feel I will miss my 11-22 in some situations. They are more like different tools I guess ....
 
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johnsmith404 said:
Swervin Mervin said:
So I've got the kit with the 22mm and the 18-55. I've got the adapter and flashgun and so far it's cost me around £250. Great value!!!

So I'm now eying up the 11-22......which will cost me more than all the rest put together. I know it's a nice lens but it's kinda hard to justify.
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It doesnt (stop). Look at what other mirrorless vendors offer. Sony E, Fuji X, Panasonic m43 and Samsung NX.
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let's look
johnsmith404 said:
1. They offer 2/3-1 stop more light at max. FL (imo negligible on a UWA)
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Yes,
johnsmith404 said:
2. They offer more UWA. They usually start at 14-15mm equiv (The 11-22 starts at roughly 18mm equiv.). This can be a big deal depending on your usage
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yes,
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3. They are MUCH larger. (None of the above will easily fit into a coat pocket when attached to a body while the M + 11-22 does)
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Nope, Oly 9-18mm is smaller. Much smaller
johnsmith404 said:
4. And consequently, they take much larger filters (a large thread quality ND can be fairly costly)
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Nope takes 52mm
johnsmith404 said:
5. Optically, the 11-22 is on par with most of them, or actually a little better at the same
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I don't think so.
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FL/aperture.

6. Finally, they cost almost twice as much as the 11-22, partially even more
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Nope, it is about $500.00 in the U.S.
johnsmith404 said:
The only thing comparable in size and price is the Olympus UWA. It's not a bad lens but the 11-22 is noticeably better.
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Says who, where are the charts?
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If you still think this lens is expensive, interchangeable lens cameras might not be the right thing for you. There are many lenses out there that cost a lot more than the 11-22 which I'd still consider a good deal. The 11-22 is quite exceptional.
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Well, let's get our facts straight first. The Oly is wider, cheaper, takes filters, is smaller .......

what am I missing?

Tedolphb
 
You are missing that the Canon lens is optically excellent, has in-lens IS..and...and...wait for it...it mounts on, at present, on no less than an 18MP APS-C sensor.
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>> I love the Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM lens! <<
 
Abu Mahendra said:
You are missing that the Canon lens is optically excellent,
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Not any better than the Oly 9-18mm. As I said, show me the charts if you disagree.
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has in-lens IS
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Well, Oly's IBIS is 5 axes or 3 axes. Canon in lens IS is only 2 axes so there.
Abu Mahendra said:
..and...and...wait for it..
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I can't hold it anymore!!

Abu Mahendra said:
.it mounts on, at present, on no less than an 18MP APS-C sensor.
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Ahhhhhhrrrrrrrgg!

Whew- glad I got that out of me.

Well, after you crop your 18mp shot to fit on an 8 x 10", 11 x 14", 16 x 20" print-it is actually only a 14.8mp sensor. Let's see, the m4/3 cameras have......mmmmmmm 16mp sensors that pretty much exactly match those print sizes. What a coincidence!
Abu Mahendra said:
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>> I love the Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM lens! <<
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Really, that lens is not such a great deal. It is an OK deal but not a great deal.

Now if you want a really, really good wide angle zoom look at the Panny 7-14mm micro four third lens. But then you couldn't mount that on your camera, could you?

Tedolph
 
I don't crop. I print the whole 18MP at 3:2 ratio.

Face it, pal. Whereas APS-C has still breathing room to increase resolution from 18MP (to say, 24MP ala Sony), M4/3 is already backed against the wall at 16MP. Good luck with the physics, there.
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>> I love the Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM lens! <<
 
Abu Mahendra said:
I don't crop. I print the whole 18MP at 3:2 ratio.
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when you are printing 5"x7", 8"x10", 11"x14", 12x16, 16"x20" or do you only print 4"x6"?

Maybe you have a magic printer that enters the fourth dimension and changes the aspect ratio without cropping?

I want to see this printer!
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Face it, pal. Whereas APS-C has still breathing room to increase resolution from 18MP (to say, 24MP ala Sony), M4/3 is already backed against the wall at 16MP. Good luck with the physics, there.
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But we aren't talking about the Sony are we?

We are talking about the Canon M aren't we?

Now that camera has only has a puny 18mp crop sensor doesn't it?

And, there is no M3 coming with a new bigger sensor is there?

Are you sure that your sensor is big enough?

Moreover, the Canon sensor is a 1.6x crop. Sony, Nikon, Fuji, Samsung and all the Big Boys are 1.5x crop!

Better check-size matters!
Abu Mahendra said:
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>> I love the Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM lens! <<
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Tedolph
 
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Step up to the big leagues, pal. I print 60x40cm at labs and with printers that can spew any arbitrary dimension limited only by the physical size of the floorstanding industrial printer. You're still in Little League!
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>> I love the Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM lens! <<
 
I am talking about the fundamental physics independent of brand. At 16MP M4/3s is already up against the wall. Why? Because it bet on too small a sensor from the start. There ain't no free lunch, pal.
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>> I love the Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM lens! <<
 
Abu Mahendra said:
I am talking about the fundamental physics independent of brand. At 16MP M4/3s is already up against the wall. Why? Because it bet on too small a sensor from the start. There ain't no free lunch, pal.
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Yeah, but I get free depth of field!
Abu Mahendra said:
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>> I love the Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM lens! <<
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Your Canon crop sensor is still not as big as Nikon.

Tedolph
 
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